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CNNW At This Hour With Kate Bolduan August 23, 2017

That inflamed racial tensions. Last nights remarks so divisive, James Clapper publically questioned whether President Trump is fit to hold office. Lets listen to some key moments from the president s speech. I hit them with neonazi. I hit them with everything. I got the White Supremacists, neonazi, i got them all in there. Lets see. Kkk. We have kkk. I got them all. Theyre trying to take away our culture. Theyre trying to take away our history. And our weak leaders, they do it overnight. These things have been there for 150 years, for 100 years. Now the obstructionist democrats would like us not to do it. But believe me, we have to close down our government, were building that wall. I dont think we can make a deal. So i think well end up probably terminating nafta at some point. Okay . Was sheriff joe convicted for doing his job . He should have had a jury. But you know what . I will make a prediction. I think he is going to be just fine. Okay . Obamacare is a disaster. And think, think, we were just one vote away from victory after seven years of everybody proclaiming repeal and replace. One vote away. I will not mention any name. Very president ial, isnt it . And nobody wants me to talk about your other senator who is weak on borders, weak on crime. So i wont talk about him. Nobody wants me to talk about him. Nobody knows who the hell he is. If you want to discover the source of the division in our country, look no further than the fake news and the crooked media. Which would rather get ratings than tell the truth. So clearly, we have a lot to unpack from the president s speech. Lets get to it. We have chris, also, of course, have next to me host of reliable sources brian. Thank you both for being with us. Chris, i wanted to start with you. I wanted to play you some sound from the former director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, very senior official, many years of experience. Take a listen to what he had to say about President TrumpS Performance. I really question his ability to his fitness to be in this office. And i also am beginning to wonder about his motivation for it. Maybe he is looking for a way out. Having some understanding of the levers that a president can exercise, i worry about, frankly, you know, the access to nuclear codes. Chris, he is not mincing words here. This is serious critique to be leveling at the president of the United States. Someone who is the director of National Intelligence, someone who served under george bush, barack obama. This is not a partisan. One thing i will disagree with mr. Clapper about is i dont think didnt onald trump is loo for a way out. I think he loves being where he is. He has spent his life working toward being in the center of the national spotlight. He is now there. When you have the former director of National Intelligence worrying about the commander in chiefs access to the Nuclear Arsenal publically on cable television, it speaks to how far its gone. I will add, when you have the chairman of the Senate Foreign relations committee, a republican, no trump hater, someone who mentioned as a potential vp, secretary of state in the administration, using words like concerns about stability and competence, these are not things that can be written off as fake media or people who dont trump haters. These are people who are elected officials, people who are publicer public er servants. People who have no illegal toward donald trump saying these things. The tendency to dismiss them is a huge mistake. Theyre saying publically rather than privately. Thats the story behind the story here. They are clapper is saying publically for the first time what a lot of his peers are saying privately. They are ak of actively queg competence. This is something you have discussed a lot on your show. Do you have a sense this is bubbling up . Yeah. Its very uncomfortable to talk about. I feel uncomfortable sitting here talking about the president s mental health, about his fitness for office. But thats where we are at. Lets be honest, our viewers are asking those same questions. Some of them have been for a while. I think whats crucial is its happening in washington, its happening among republicans and democrats on capitol hill. Its happening among military leaders. Mostly in private, but were starting to see it in public. The president S Performance on that stage reinforces why so many people are concerned. The president is trying to construct an alternate reality by attacking media, by telling them they cant trust what they hear on cnn or anywhere else. He is not doing it out of strength. He is doing it because he has bob mueller after him. He is doing it because Mitch Mcconnell is questioning is it working . Is it playing out in his favor with his supporters . Yes. But i mean, donald trump could read read gaelic to his supporters and they would be supportive of it. The fact its working is not indicative of its truth. Its evidence of the fact that we live in a very tribalized political environment. Trump has further tribalized it. Whatever he says, they will support. Brian has hit on this a number of times on his show. I think its really important, which is, go and read what donald trump said about the media last night. On two separate occasions he said, they are against america, they dont want to make america great, they dont like they dont want us to succeed. I understand you think the media is too liberal, you think theyre biased, they dont like donald trump. But when you start saying things like the media doesnt want to make america great, they are not like us, they are rooting against the country, thats the insinuation there and not even really the insinuation, that is dangerous rhetoric. It is dangerous. Something is going to happen. You cannot vilify the media like this. Im a reporter. But you cannot do this with any profession. It happens in other countries. This hasnt happened in the u. S. Before. Its we have seen it elsewhere. Its a tactic used over and over again. He thinks its effective. More to discuss on this issue. Unfortunately, we dont have time right now. We will talk more about this later in the show. Chris, brian, thank you so much for joining us. Some of arizonas Top Republicans chose to not attend President Trumps rally. Our next guest not only was there but he actually received a special shoutout. We have three congressmen, a friend of mine who has been so great to me, trent frank. Where is congressman frank . Where is he . Get over here. Arizonas senior republican congressman. He joins us now from scotts d se he joins us now from scotts d c, arizona. Thank you for joining us. We appreciate it. Thank you for inviting me. I wanted to start out by asking you by something the president brought up last night, which was the idea that he would be willing to shut down the government to get the funding that he needs to build his wall. Do you support his in that . Well, i think thats really a good question. This Government Shutdown has been something that has happened or the threat of it over and over again. Republicans understand i do that the Government Shutdown hurts us tremendously because you and the media pretty much across the board will make sure that its our fault no matter what. Here is what causes the shutdown. Its the 60 vote rule in the senate. We pass all of the Appropriations Bills in the house. Ive been there 15 years. We have consistently done it. Then it goes to the senate. The democrats say no, were not voting on it. Were not going to give you eight votes to bring it to the floor for debate. We will filibuster. The only way you can stop a shutdown is to give us what we want. Unfortunately, in a combined republican government, you cant get a republican appropiations bill without the threat of shutdown. Its the filibuster that causes the shutdown. Donald trump needs to understand something. If he truly in his own mind intends to drain the swamp i think he does. If he does, he has to help pull the plug on the filibuster. Thats causing the shutdown. You are in an impossible position. You either have to get the appropriations exactly the way the democrats want or they will not let the bill to the floor. That will shut the government down. The republicans will take the blame for it. But the threats like this there are plenty of republicans or there are some republicans who are also not necessarily sold on this wall. Do these threats really help to prevent the filibuster that you are talking about . Do you think that were headed for a Government Shutdown . Well, i think thats a good question. I think that at least his commentary is bringing the debate to the nations consciousness. If we can do that alone, the nation will be on our side. Just like they were when he appoint eed neil gorsuch. There was going to be a filibuster there, too. Even the republicans some of them both of my senators said they would never vote to change the republicans, probably half said that. They knew they couldnt go to the American People and say, well, yes, neil gorsuch is the most qualified nominee and the election was about the constitution and the election was about the supreme court, but we unfortunately have rules that will not allow him to get an up or down vote. They knew they could never sustain that with the American People. So they changed the rule. As soon as we can elevate what happens to our spending process here in the same way, i think that rule will change. The government is what it spends. Its about the article 1 constitutional powers of the congress. Its a very big issue on both sides. It cuts both ways. Democrats are in charge, they will have more capability to pass things. If republicans are in charge, they will. At least then the American People will know who is doing what and it will be good for the country in my judgment. The democrats are going to change it either way. They said so. Its not a matter of if, its a matter of when. I have to ask you as well about the comments from the former director of National Intelligence James Clapper questioning whether President Trump is fit to have access to the nuclear codes. How do you respond to that . Well, i think thats a disgusting thing for him to say. If he had been there, he would at least know in his mind what he is saying wasnt true. Would he say it if he didnt think it was true . I dont think you would Say Something publically if you didnt believe it was true. I dont think he believes that to be true. Mr. Clapper once said that Jihadist Terrorism has nothing do with religious ideology. If he is questioning his fitness for office, he answered the question that he was never fit to be director when he would suggest where jihadist tear term it wasnt religiously motivated. This is the core of the whole battle. Yet, he missed that. Mr. Clappers perspective not compelling to me at all. All right. Thank you very much, congressman. We appreciate you being on the program with us. Good interview. Thank you. Coming up after the break, we will ask a democratic congressman from arizona if he agrees with James Clapper and whether congress should do something about it. Later on, the revealing details in Hillary Clintons new book. Hear about the moment she said donald trump made her skin crawl. Stay with us. Teady. 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Im getting reaction to President Trumps speech from arizona lawmakers on both sides of the political divide. Joining me now is democratic congressman rubin gaigo. We had another republican congressman from arizona on the show. He called James Clappers comments the questioning of the president s competency disgusting. I wonder if you would care to comment on clappers comments . And also on one of your colleagues, California Democratic congresswoman jackie speer who has gone far enough to say the 25th amendment should be invoked in an attempt to get rid of President Trump. What are your thoughts . Ive been saying since the election, that donald trump cannot be trusted to govern, nor with the nuclear codes. He doesnt have the mind frame, maturity, mental capability to be president. Im glad people are coming around to this. Many of us have been saying this for quite a while. With all due respect, the problem with the 25th amendment, were chasing down a hole thats never going to happen. If i remember from my civics class, the 25th amendment required a vicepresident and the executive cabinet to send a message to congress that the president no longer has an ability to govern. Thats never going to happen. The problem is right now, if everybody wants to keep the president in check, the way is you elect people in 2018 that are going to keep the president in check. If the Republican Party is not willing to keep the president in check, they need to elect democrats or whoever it is. Its that simple. Theres no other way to do this. Theres no other quick solution. I dont see impeachment happening any time soon. What about censure . Im for censure. But its not going to do anything to a president. Pardon me, censure will not do anything to this president. This president has no sense of dignity in terms of the office. He has no sense of person in terms of what he should do to better himself and this country. He will just swat away like a fly. He is that type of person that just will have no affect. If you want to stop him, then put congress and senate in power thats going to stop him. Thats it. Its that simple. Im sorry that Everyone Wants to go down all these other rabbit holes. In reality, unless the republicans will put the president in check, which is designed by the constitution, then we need to elect democrats. I wanted to ask you about one of the things that the president s spokes people said he was not going to touch on in his speech last night in arizona was the issue of sheriff joe arpaio. I think we all understood a strong indication that he does intend to pardon him and cnn is getting new reporting in that the paperwork is already starting to be processed in the white house to facilitate that procedure. I would like to get your thoughts on that as an arizona lawmaker. First of all, as an american, we should be horrified by this. This is another institution the president is breaking down. Another norm. Thats what this president has done since the beginning. Lets look at the facts. He comes in and as soon as possible he starts tearing down the media. Not that the media is friendly to one side or the other. The fact is he is trying to tear down one of the outside institutions that keeps government in check and abuse in check. Its not a coincidence he starts going after that. He starts trying to tear away at the rule of law. We start seeing that exactly with the extra illegal muslim bans. Now, the pardon. A privilege given to the president of the United States by the constitution. He is using it as a showmanship piece, as if he was on some type of game show last night, walking around, strutting around, bragging how he may or may not do this. This is a travesty to the department of justice, who is prosecuting sheriff joe arpaio. Its to the american public. This is another way he is debasing our democracy and the rule of law that has been connecting this country. The constitution connects us from all over from alaska to florida. Its the rule of law and the norms that have been established by president s and politicians for many years and the institutions within that that keeps this country together. He is trying to pull it apart. Pardoning is another step in that way. Congressman, thank you so much for joining us. The question really becomes though, what do democrats intend to do about it . When do we see some kind of a unified strategy coming from the democrats . We will, of course, be keeping in touch with you in the coming days. Thank you again for joining us. Thank you. Coming up, a cnn exclusive interview with one of the biggest players in the russia investigation. Find out what exrussian diplomat kislyak says about the kremlins contacts with the trump campaign. Plus, Hillary Clinton in her own words. An excerpt from her new book, clinton talks about that debate where donald trump stood behind her and calls him a creep. 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