Transcripts For CNNW At This Hour With Kate Bolduan 20190620

CNNW At This Hour With Kate Bolduan June 20, 2019

A meeting going on at the white house, responding to iran shooting down that u. S. Military drone. Were not expecting President Trump to attend that based on what our sources are telling us but they are tightlipped about the details. We know that the outgoing acting defense secretary Patrick Shanahan is expected to attend, as well as incoming secretary and secretary of state mike pompeo in that meeting as well. Weve been reporting on what exactly is going on at the white house as were learning the details of what happened here with iran. And we do know that the president has been speaking to lawmakers this morning, including senator Lindsey Graham who said this is what the president told him. Now, they shot down an american drone. They fired into saudi arabia. So, i talked to the president this morning. You need to tell the iranians that if they increase their Enrichment Program for uranium that would be a provocative act towards the United States and israel. And all bets are off. Reporter now, graham also told the president that he should respond to iran with firmness and resolve. Of course, erica, weve been noting in interview in recent days, the president said he believes everything was under control when it came to iran. And says he believes they do not have to go to war. The question is, what is the president going to say that . We will see him in the next hour or so when he welcomes the Prime Minister of canada here at the white house. We want to turn to Fred Pleitgen in tehran, obviously a much different response that were seeing coming out of iran. Reporter yeah, absolutely right, erica. A much different response. The iranians are essentially putting out a blustery message saying this is the way they deal with their enemies. The iranians are claiming the drone entered into their own airspace illegally. It was interesting early in the morning today that the iranians had come out and said that the drone had gone to the persian gulf area and made a turn towards iranian airspace and shot down by iranian airspace missiles going into their airspace. It was quite interesting to see because the revolution guard corps, erica, which is irans most elite military unit and the unit that shot this drone down. They came out very quickly and said this is something that they will absolutely react to if it happens again. They also said that iran does not want war. But they said that iran is absolutely prepared for war at this point in time. Those are statements that weve been hearing from the iranians over the past couple of days. Of course, all of this comes in the context of the standoff thats going on between iran and the u. S. , especially in the persian gulf. After the tanker attacks that took place last week. The u. S. Blaming the iranians. The iranians saying it wasnt them. Saying they dont want this tos escalate, but if it does, they are well prepare. Fred pleitgen thank you. We want to give you a birdseye view, a better sense of what were talking about, this is such a volatile region. Joining us max booth and if we could bring up the map, as fred mentioned what happened in the last week. To remind us how we got here, it was the president elect trump a Trump Administration that said there was a threat. Put this isnt perspective, max, where is the threat today . Id say that the threat is growing. This is really a crisis that donald trump said himself and set into motion when he left the court and said that the iranians were abiding by its terms. More recently in the last months, the Trump Administration has put punishing restrictions on iran. I think what youre seeing here is the way the iranians are pushing back against the pressure theyre feeling from the United States. Thats one thing. What the iranians are doing to push back. What else are you looking at, though, today, in terms of signs that there is another shift happening in the region . Well, i think the big question mark here, erica, is not so much in the region, its in washington, d. C. Youre getting very conflicting and mixed signals from President Trump. Remember that last week, you had the tanker attacks. Then on monday, President Trump said theyre very minor. Seemed to dismiss their importance, and perhaps encourage further iranian escalation. Now, today, you have donald trump tweeting that the iranians made a very big mistake. We dont know what that means and it suggests some u. S. Retaliation. And from weeks he said he doesnt want war. He wants to talk. As you just heard from Fred Pleitgen, theyre saying, listen, we dont want war either, but we are prepared. Lets look at this region in terms of where u. S. Troops are. As we look at military bases in the rege, theres a significant presence as we know in this area of the world. What are the options at this point . Well, theres a whole range of options, obviously. And the fact that we do have the bases gives us capability. But on the other side it also creates targets for the iranians. This is a dhaucountry that has 0 missiles, they have drones, they have mines and proxy forces. And we saw proxy forces firing to southern iraq. To areas where containers for u. S. May be located. Theres no question the u. S. Is going to come out on top, we have much more capability. But the iranians also have capability to strike back including in the persian gulf and the gulf of oman about which a quarter of the worlds oil passes. This is a dangerous situation. And the drone, theres a question was it in iranian airspace. Was it in International Airspace. What would that change . Well, you do have Central Command saying this was a drone shot down over International Airspace which is a very different act than shooting down an aircraft over your own space. But, remember, the Trump Administration has no credibility. This is a president who lies Something Like 12 times a day. They have disregarded intelligence in the past. And President Trump refused to listen to what the Intelligence Community has to say about saudi arabia. Now he claims that the intelligence is saying something he likes, he putting it out there. I tend to believe Central Command. But there is a very high threshold that the white house has to reach for the world to believe what theyre saying. And right now, i think their comments have been met with disbelief, just because of their track record of not telling the truth. Max boot, thank you. Also will us david sanger, for the New York Times and National Security analyst. I want to talk about messaging, david. Lets start specifically with the president. Yesterday, this is what he had to say in terms of iran. I want to play that moment. As you look at the geopolitical workup there, iran, russia, china, tell me your concerns. Dont worry about a thing, everything is understand control. You say well never get nucleared . I would say, if i were you dont worry about a thing. Dont worry about a thing, nothing to see here. Almost blase. His tweet in response to the events overnight, changing his tone. What do you makes there based on what max just said in terms of what his words mean now . Well, erica, he has not had much message discipline in the course of this. You had secretary of state mike pompeo after the attacks on the ships last week, come out to the state Department Press room and make ail series of declarations. And then the president seemed to undercut that over the weekend, when he stepped in, he said im not terribly concerned about these and so forth. And so, what it seemed like, the policy was headed, was to say, look, we can manage the small tactical stuff in the gulf. The big issue is dont restart the nuclear program. Because if you do that, youre in for a world of hurt. Now, weve lost a drone. Its obviously a pretty provocative thing to do. But fortunately, there were no casualties. The u. S. Has lost 150 million worth of machinery. Theres an argument about where it was located, in International Waters or not. Its not the first drone weve lost over iran. Back in the obama administration, there was famously one lost because of an accident with the drone. But the iranians put it out on display. And then they copied it. And made some of their own kind of drones. So the question is whats the proportional response here. And its possible that the proportional response should actually be pretty modest on this one. But pretty severe if the administration wants to stick to the position if they move ahead on the nuclear program. So your position is its not clear what it is. Part of that is the mixed message we get not just from the president it, it would make sense for the president to shift his stance over what happened overnight. Im talking about the stance were seeing from secretary of state mike pompeo and john bolting and the impact that has on the world stage if the u. S. Takes whatever action is decides on, but also where it continues its plans for beyond that action. I think thats right. And when you talk to the europeans, they seem confused on whether or not the administration really believes it, when they say, oh, were not here for regime change. We just want the regime to change their behavior. Many American Allies believe they really do want regime change. Its my sense from talking to Administration Officials that theyre not in a big rush on iran. They would rather see the sanctions that theyve now put in effect. And which have really put the arm on iran in the past six weeks to two months, play out over the summer and into the fall. Because they believe that theyve finally gotten to a point where theyre Cutting Irans Oil revenues down, not quite to zero, but close. And forcing the iranians to make really hard decisions about their budget. And so, i think they would like to see what the maximum pressure really looks like. The iranians may be responding by saying, you know, were not going to let it get to that point. Were going to create a crisis that forces the europeans to choose between lining up with the americans, or lining up with iran. And they know europeans believe that exiting the iran deal was a bad decision. Two wiquick question. Earlier in the week you reported, about u. S. Cyber warfare in russia. And that the Intelligence Community was actively keeping communications on the president because they were concerned with not only what he would do with that information but who he would share it with. Do you think thats the case when it ultimately comes to the information about iran . I dont. Theres a particular sensitivity about russia because the Intelligence Community, the military, is not quite certain why the president has not called the russians out in public. Or rarely done so for their activity in crimea, even yesterday when you saw russians indicted in the downing of an airplane, you didnt hear much from President Trump about that. And that interview that you played excerpts from when you were talking with max. So, the president is extremely reluctant to get out and criticize the russians. Its a bit of a mystery to them. I think theres a care about russia that doesnt exist in iran. The oddity, its the pressure that seemed the more restraining influence. Coming up, the remarks he made about working with senators who were supporting the segregation. The latest on this new battle. Plus, lawmakers react to iran shooting that u. S. Drone out of the sky. Were going to speak to a member of the House Armed Services committee who was just briefed on the escalation. 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As a black man in america, i know the deeply harmful and hurtful usage of the word boy and now its used to humanize and degrade. I know joe biden. Hes better than this. This is a moment he should have spoken about the issue and move on. Now, heres joe biden. Are you going to apologize . Apologize for what . Cory has called for it. Cory should apologize. He knows better. Theres not a racist bone in my body. Ive been involved in civil rights my whole career. Period. Period, period. Joining me david tally, and m. J. Lee, pretty correspondent. One thing that struck me with that moment with joe biden were the parallels with the way he approaches this and the way that President Trump approaches situations which is dont back down, dont apologize. What are voters seeing, david . Well learn what voters are going to see, obviously, theyll have a chance to weigh in here. I dont think joe biden would welcome the comparison to donald trump but i think theres something is there about an era of no apology. And do you need to respond to every single attack coming your way. Heres where i think joe biden, instead of using that moment to clean this up and move past it, where he may have extended this for himself is calling on cory booker to apologize. Apologize for what . What did cory booker say or do that joe biden believes requires an apology. He didnt make that clear at all in his comments. The other thing thats interesting, as you look at this, there have been moments before with things joe biden has said that has definitely caused some people to bristle. This is a moment were hearing from the candidates. What is it about this particular instance that is prompting a more democratic response . I think what were seeing why joe bidens candidacy is until a lot of ways a doubleedged sword. Hes such a popular figure. We talked about high name recognition. He is sort of a familiar candidate for anybody who has a sense of nostalgia or pretrump era. Joe biden initially may have been the guy for them. But on the other side of that, times have changed and i think

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