much for joining us. seated. news night with abby phillip starts now the biden plan to run it back. that's tonight on newsnight good evening. i'm abby phillip here in atlanta, georgia and tomorrow night, the country will tune into cnn for the most important political event of the calendar so far and possibly for all of this campaign in the cnn presidential debate in just a few moments of play-by-play of how exactly it will look and work on that stage where it'll all happen and that includes a paint by numbers, demo of the microphones. and what it will look like and sound like when one of the candidates breaches the rules that they've all agreed to and tries to talk over his opponent. but first the news tonight, joe biden plans to talk past donald trump and talk straight to, you, the american voter sources are telling cnn that the president, he wants to recreate some key moments from that 2020 debate when he bypass the moderators and he addressed the american people directly, advisers say that that strategy is more important than ever this year, it is no secret. voters are less than enthusiastic about the choices that they faced this year. and it's all about making it personal. speaking, a personal though, the biden campaign is also preparing for trump to go there with attacks on his family. and of course, on hunter biden joining me now, one of the best source reporters and a longtime trump watcher and biographer, maggie haberman, of the new york times aggie what do you know tonight about how trump is preparing in these last 24 hours before this debate look, i think that trump is more locked down and drill down on, on preparing for this debate. >> then his advisers have suggested publicly and/or than he has suggested publicly, he's been engaging in policy sessions with a wide range of advisers and senate the jurors and people he's close to essentially to refresh his talking points about his administration and the accomplishments he wants to highlight. and then also to figure out how to carry certain attacks he does not do debate prep as we understand it. the way that president biden does, for instance, president biden does a pretty traditional debate prep somebody behind a podium, somebody playing donald trump as far as we know, there is nobody doing that in terms of biden that. i do think that there is a focus on how to perry aggressive questions from various directions yeah. >> and tonight, mj lee is reporting that one of the things that the biden camp is preparing for it and this probably should come as no surprise. it is the likelihood that trump will start to attack his family. the thing is though maggie, my biden was prepared for such an attack and their last debate so do you think we can expect to hear anything new from trump on this front? >> look, i think it is certainly possible that trump will talk about hunter biden's criminal conviction. i think especially if trump's criminal conviction comes up in a way where trump then we'll say he was attacked. it's impossible that trump's criminal conviction is not going to come up. hunter biden is not running for president, but trump and his associates are very aware that it is a soar topic for president biden. and i think they're going to look for opportunities to try to disrupt his performance or get under his skin, you are correct that in 2020 he was prepared for such an attack once before, and that was specifically on hundred biden's drug use. think this would be a little bit different. i'm also not sure how president biden will react to that attack. i think if it comes, i think that's a big question. >> i'm sure it's something also they are preparing him to just deal with from coming from trump they have also landed or i wonder if you hear that they've landed on answers to questions about the january 6 insurrection that's something that reportedly they've been trying to come up with some kind of goldilocks solution to in debate prep. have they they have been talking about how they're going to answer various questions related not just to the attack by a pro-trump mob on the capitol building during this certification of president biden's electoral college win. >> but also how to address questions about the former president's months of election lies in which he claimed that it was stokely 2020 race was stolen from him. how they're going to answer questions where president biden is going thank to describe donald trump as a threat to democracy. and so they have been workshopping answers to those kinds of things. but among the things that they had looked at and this was about two weeks ago, was talking about the supposed internet censorship or efforts to regulate social media by the government that involves the suit that was tossed by the supreme court today. so i think there are still trying to figure out how to answer some of them let's questions. >> that's very interesting. so what about trump's family? do you expect to see melania trump at the debate tomorrow night i do. >> i do not. and it's possible that will change, but i do not expect to see her now wow, what do you hear about trump's thinking about the vice presidential choice that he faces. i mean, i think it's not hard to miss that they are everywhere this week. this week seems to be kind of an intense ramping up of their presence on the airwaves in their tryouts to be his running mate many of them will be here in atlanta. is he close to a decision could it come in the coming days i think i think it will it will definitionally come in the coming days simply because he's going to hit the hard deadline of when he has to nominate somebody he has been clearly not in a huge hurry to make this decision or make this announcement. >> i will say he hadn't said it at this point in 2016 either what he was going to do, he waited until a little closer to the convention. he's got a couple of benchmark dates coming up. abby, one of which is his sentencing on july 11. and so i think that there is in the manhattan criminal case. i think there is going to be some activity around or before that most likely maggie haberman. thank you as always for bringing that reporting to us thank you so how will those muted microphones actually work? well, my colleague phil mattingly and victor blackwell will explain the rules of what happens if one of the candidates tries to interrupt the other? >> welcome to the set of the cnn presidential debate. we want to give our viewers a sense of the rules of the debates so that when they watch it, they can understand how president biden and president trump will be engaging with each other tomorrow night just after 9:00 p.m. eastern, president biden will enter from the right side of your screen president. trump will enter from the left side of your screen. the podiums are eight feet apart, directly across from them. the moderators, cnn's jake tapper and dana bash. now a reminder, this is a television studio. there's no audience. candidates will have two minutes to answer questions and one minute for responses and rebuttals at the moderators discretion, there may be an additional minute for follow-ups, clarifications, or responses. so how does it candidate? know how much time is left to speak attached to the cameras in the studio and in the candidates field of view or the timing lights. when the light show yellow, they're 15 seconds left and it candidates answer or response. when the lights flash read, there are five seconds left and when the display is solid red, the time is up at that point, the candidates microphone will be turned off and the other candidate will have their microphone turned on. my colleague victor blackwell has more on that thank you, phil. >> if we go behind the podiums, you can see two green lights. when, they're on, they signal to the candidate his microphone is on and the green lights are off. they signal to the candidate. his microphone is off. now i want to give you a sense of what it will look like for viewers at home if it candidate whose microphone is off interrupts the candidate whose microphone is on. so i'm standing, get one podium, and i'll ask phil to come in and take the other podium. so let's say i'm answering a question. my light is green and i'm speaking feels microphone is off and his green lights are not illuminated. he's going to interrupt me as i'm speaking. and this is what it will sound like. my volume remains constant while fills interruption can be difficult to understand stand. >> let's try the opposite. my microphone is now on victors microphone is off and he's going to interrupt me. my volume remains constant while victors interruption can be difficult to understand. a siemens production team has shared this demonstration with the campaign's earlier today, and we're sharing it with you, our viewers, so everyone fully understands how tomorrow night will work. now, we should know by agreeing to participate in this debate, both campaigns and candidates have also agreed to bide by these rules, the cnn presidential debate, airs live tomorrow night at 9:00 p.m. eastern our thanks to fill in victor for that explanation. joining me now is fully brightness former hillary clinton spokesman, who is also cause played as donald trump during her 2016 debate prep with us mike davka, he served as donald trump's white house communications director, who has also caused, played as let's let now let's let's start with the mics because i this is going to be the thing i think tomorrow. you can, you can see in that demonstration, you cannot actually hear necessary he cannot understand what the other person is saying. but if donald trump is yele, it's going to be kind of visually, yeah, that was fascinating and jarring to watch, no friends to victor. i'm not sure he was doing a full donald trump to see if he could be heard, if anyone wants me to try it. right. we can mutate have done the demo with futures like now. yeah, i feel bad for the tech guys. they're just going to be on pins and needles. but it's going to make a big difference. it's gonna make a big difference for obvious reasons. anyone who saw 2020 knows that that could not happen again i think it's actually gonna make it pretty big difference to your colleagues, to jake tapper and dana bash because it'll give them some breathing room and some just peace and quiet for a minute to process what they just heard, to decide if they need to follow up, if they want to ask a follow-up question, they want to correct something which was impossible for years ago. it is. everyone is clearly focused on it and it'll be a fair number of people on twitter. imagine rip lip reading. >> yeah, because it says trump. i mean, i remember in the trial that he just went through, he was in a courtroom mumbling under his breath but it was audible to the gi bill heard yeah, across the courtroom. the other the other part of this is if the microphone we're all talking about when the microphone's off. but i do fully expect there's an opportunity when the microphone is on if there is a question or a question, three questions back that the president trump, donald trump received from tapper or bash that he's gonna go back to that and if he's not having an argument with president biden, he may be having an argument with the moderator so i think that i think the microphone being off is as many people have talked about, is actually going to benefit trump. but there's so many other factors that are going into this a debate, especially with no audience. >> i want to talk about this reporting from cnn about what the biden campaign is preparing for in terms of the attacks on his family, i want to a play what happened back in 2020. i referenced this when we were talking to maggie, when this came up, when hunter biden came up sun like a lot of people, like a lot of people we know at home had a drug problem. he's overtaken it he fixed it. he's worked on it and i'm proud of them so i mean, a couple of things there. the director of the microphone that's exactly the kind of moment they wanted to recreate. but turning it on its head. i mean, do you think that'll be an opportunity to do that this time around? >> yeah. i mean, you have to you're gonna be talking to somewhere between 75, 90, maybe 100 million people. you might not talk to that larger audience anytime for the rest of the campaign, you want to make sure that you are giving them your best argument. two camera, that you are saying what you say every day, but that you're saying as compelling as possible with the guy over here showing why he's the contrast that shouldn't be now that's obviously very hard to do, especially when you have a donald trump who might be throwing the most vicious personal stuff atu but what president biden is doing, and let's not forget something present. biden debated joe biden, president trump twice in 2020. and while mike will disagree, though, he's muted, mike for exempt biden beat him both times. the reason we have muting is because 2020 was such a calamity because it was donald trump interrupting, speaking over and it did not it did not redound to his favor. my two green lights are on now so i get to go. the difference between 2020 and this time is that biden did not have a record to run on. there are other things to attack joe biden, non in 2024 then in 2020, we can talk inflation, we can talk the border, we can talk chaos around the world i think there's going to be enough other topics for donald trump to talk about that he doesn't need to bring up hunter biden or any of the other cases. so we're making a big deal about this and i know that at rallies, it gets brought up. but there's enough other material and i'm sure his team has prepping him to talk about biden's record this time 20 2016. obviously president trump, at the time came in. he had eight years of obama biden to talk about. yes. now, there is a sort of very odd neighboring administration last seven years of but each other, which is something we haven't seen in 134 years. >> one of the many things that makes us extremely unusual, and i would also say mike i'm hearing you talk, i'm reminded the best laid plans you know, my my my tyson said everyone has a plan until they could gunshot. >> exactly. everyone. philippe, mike you guys stick around for us up next. we're going to take a look at the 2020 tape of biden than trump on their debate tendencies plus c, what happened inside of an atlanta barbara for shop when trump's started to brag about his mug shot, stacey abrams is here and she'll join me live. and two major news stories that may play a role tomorrow night the supreme court breach and a disturbing revelation about migrants coming into the united states. this is cnn special live coverage live from atlanta this friday, the west was hope the crate a better life there was a promise and america appear tough enough mean enough. it can be doors horizon, an american saga. one in theaters friday, 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what i, in fact approved of. what i approved of now here's the deal. the deal is that getting some flashbacks, so i'll be talking up that tape. that was one of the last mass matchups between trump and biden because we want to see what they might do the next time around our panel has expanded here outside of the debate room what did you make of that? i mean, i rewatched part of that recently and i was like, wow yeah. >> well, the first thing i noticed is president biden actually seem to be in a pretty good mood. and that first debate, he was smiling lives laughing a lot. he was kind of like cheating donald trump, like he was an annoyance right up until the moment he told them, well, you just shut up but man, i think he was saying what so many americans were feeling in that moment, they went down and tried to stop. >> and the lack of self-control from trump wall remote. see why not see that tomorrow. i can guarantee that i've spoken with enough people on the campaign and i know nears over the laugh and heavy, but i'm telling you there's going to be different djoser morrow but can, he preparing for this the former president recognizes and understands how pivotal this moment is. >> and he also understands that this is a litmus test out about the past. but the american people want to know who's best capable of leading the country for the next four years. and the reality is if we base our judgment off of all of the available data as of today, they do not believe he that person has joe biden and president trump has to make his case. tamara to the american people that he's the best option. and what would it be different from this debate that we've seen from other debates is the reality is we're not going to see these real in-depth conversations about how they're going to save season social security, or how about by tax policy is going to change. >> we're gonna hear a lot of these loud argumentative fights about who has the better policy. but we're not getting into the weeds about how we're going to fix all the ills of the world. >> now it's not really going to be talking to each other. yeah. yeah. >> that is unusual for you. yeah. and you saw a little bit of that in the second debate because they were sort of the muted microphone for part of it. and i think this is good for donald trump. i mean, you're arguing that sort of donald trump on his best behavior is going to show up tomorrow. i think he is going to be contained and constrained by these muted mics because he's not gonna be able to enter up. joe biden, but i agree it is. i think one thing to watch and i probably shouldn't say this on cnn, but is it going to be boring, right? because there were moments in that second debate at some point, joe biden was like looking at his watch because there was a sort of muted tone to that date. it was so different from that. what everybody is so on guard can produce almost like the opposite result. >> i actually question whether or not it's going to matter what they say in the positive. i, we are so far in front of the actual election in november. i'm almost more concerned or i'm curious of watching what the gaff is, what the mistake is, what are we going to be talking about in the spin room and then on friday and what is it that's going to set up for the next part of this debate. i think part of the biden campaign's plan of having a june debate was two reinvigorate their own campaign well, they'd better hope that biden doesn't trip himself up tomorrow night let me let me read this. >> bald men from the new yorker here's how she described them as not only the oldest major party candidates, but the two singularly inarticulate politician have an adversarial relationship to language each other overstating it. >> why i hate to spoil it, but i can tell you right now what we're all going to be saying tomorrow night and friday, democrats are going to be saying that donald trump showed exactly why he lost, because he he's on a hinge and has terrible ideas and they didn't work. and the republican is going to be saying that joe biden shows that he doesn't have the energy and whatever else you want to call it to make it through in truth the things with the mics is sexy and all. but unless they moat mute donald trump for 90 minutes, he's going to be the same. donald trump, i think we all need to be drug tested had a wager on it he has he doesn't come with the strategy. >> he comes in with a list, his grievances. i would take one issue with mark, which i know i'm going to regret is that i do think there'll be something akin to a policy debate only because i believe donald trump, he has his day-to-day talking points about why his economy was better, why his progress better, and he will use that as a cudgel to swamp president biden with numbers because if he so intent on showing president biden as not all, there, he's going to use everyday personal attacks, other attacks, and the dad i don't think he needs to show that president biden isn't all there people can make a decision harmony's for themselves. i think the goal is to show that president biden's policies have not worked over the past four years but again, we won't be talking about the hard, deep details about trump's policies and biden's policies. >> we will be the debate. you're absolutely right. i will agree with you. there there's gonna be a debate about the issues. the issues are gonna be on the table but everybody at this table and everyone watching tonight is gonna be washington. see does joe biden stumble, right? put your mom was donald trump and his daughters exactly like maybe it's just joe biden stumble, but it's also does donald trump have like kind of a jack nicholson moment on stage and does something where he's a few good men, he just blurt something out. these not supposed to say and so i think people will be looking for this think about this and when did this the last time joe biden had been through a series of debates in the primary so he was kind of in-game shape. neither one of these guys have been planned preseason ball. his no telling how well either one of them will do when the lights come on? yeah. for the first 15 or they both might suffer from that incumbent strike ball shortfall and older hold on their both everyone standby for us coming up next ahead of the debate night right here in atlanta, donald trump is bragging, of course, about his mug shot of all things in comparing himself to a few superstars. i'll discuss that and the state of democratic politics with stacey abrams that's next tomorrow night. my for midland. the most updated moment of this election, biden. >> that's renren america, the future because that we are a nation of possibility. >> trump. we had the best economy we had the best border, we had the best of everything. and now we get to do it all over again. we're going to do it even better. two very different visions for america. one, unprecedented night moderated by jake tapper and dana 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kind of support because it's understood that we've received similar not even similar, but basically we've been railroaded since the day we came here. what can we do about those fani willis is alvin bragg's data that are right now send in some poor black person to jail for some crime that had been since that happened the black support. i i think by representatives will tell you this the black support is gone through the roof i guess they equated to problems that they've had but since his has happened, like the mug shot, the mug shot is the best set. it it just beat elvis presley and frank sinatra by a lot. by the way, leader by a lot. but the number one function audible 20 me now stacey abrams, she was the former minority leader of the georgia house and georgia is 2018 democratic candidate for governor. >> thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. so, of course is, you know, black voters, they are not a monolith, but donald trump, what he said there, what you heard from that voter in the room, is there any truth to that? do his cases and convictions actually resonate with black voters in georgia? i think what resonates with black voters in georgia is the fact that donald trump stood foursquare against the central park young men who were accused of a violent crime. and he called for their execution. they recall that he refused to denounce the proud boys who espoused a hatred and xenophobia that includes a hatred for black people they know that he is in favor of resending the rules that prevent discrimination and housing that would make it harder for black people. and people of color to get access to affordable housing. and so, while there may be some moment of interest in his mug shot, it is not leading to support. i think it is more recognition that has come up. it's has arrived and that he is not above the law, which so many of us have known for very long at the same time this is a big issue in this election. a washington post ipsos poll from april showed that they black americans question whether president biden is helping them 38% said that president biden's policies have helped them almost half said his policies have made no difference that's president biden need to speak directly to this directly to black americans tomorrow on that debate stage. absolutely. and he's going to not only speak to black americans, he's going to speak to all americans. and he's going to remind us, not only of what he's done, which has been incredibly important, the investments that he's made, the jobs that have been created, the unemployment rate that is near record lows, but he's also going to point out what's to come that under a new biden administration, under a renewed biden administration, the seats that he's planted in our economies and our communities, in our lives that we will now have a chance to see them come to fruition. but that under a trump administration, he has promised that he is going to cut taxes for billionaires, which moody said will lead to a recession, will lead to flation. he has said that he's going to balance and pay for this by cutting social security and medicaid. we know that in medicare, we know that for so many of our families, especially for elderly black families that could be a death knell. and so i think the job that president biden will have tomorrow is to match the false machismo of donald trump with the proven maturity and the foresight that he has shown as the president of the united states when it comes to a politics that we've been seeing some primaries this year. what happened yesterday, and a squad member, progressive democrat jamaal bowman lost his primary battle to george latimer, who came out in from the center left. the new york times wrote this of the loss. mr. bowman's when in 2020 seem to herald sentence progressive movement in 2024, the center is regaining power. is that true? >> i think that we live in a moment where politics is hyperlocal and deeply international and that tension is going to play out across the country in primary, after primary i wouldn't extrapolate from any one race that we know what's going to happen. but what i would say it's shows is that it's incumbent upon everyone standing for public office to listen to the people they serve. to not be led by those decisions that people want you to make, but to be able to articulate why you're making those choices. and i believe that as we watch the rest of this year play out as we see more and more of donald trump's performative behavior. and the more he tells us about what he intends to do americans will understand especially black americans, that he does not intend our good tomorrow. i imagined that the topic of whether or not donald trump actually lost the election in 2020 is going to come up he continues to suggest that, you, one, when that's not true, but your name has actually been something that republicans like to bring up when they defend trump's allies section denialism. i want you to just listen to some of that you challenge and election you should be able to challenge an election. i've got the election was a rigged election is stolen election and i should have every right to do that. as you know, you have many people that you've been watching over the years do the same thing, whether it's hillary clinton or stacey abrams are many others. >> all we'll just talk of a stolen election, whether it's stacey abrams or the president of united states, is hurting our state when stacey abrams challenged the results in georgia, she was an american hero, when donald trump's go into court, he's a dictator we're here in georgia. >> i imagined that this is going to come up again if it does, what's your response? if president biden says, well, stacey abrams, did it publications can repeat allies many times as they would like. it does not make it true. i have never once challenged my election, but i challenged where laws that and rules and processes that denied access to the right to vote to thousands of georgians. what i was able to demonstrate in court after court was that we were correct and in fact, in the lawsuit that was settled and determined that was actually adjudicated in 2022, the very long opinion the judge said, indeed what we claimed happened. it simply was out of his control to do anything about it because of people like president trump, who put supreme court justices in place who have weakened access to protect that's why i created the organization fair fight. i believe in the outcome of elections, but what i do not and will not countenance is putting voters in the position where they do not have full and fair access to the right to vote republicans can try to conflate the two. it is not only false, it undercuts and undermines the legitimacy of those who do need to speak up, who do need to point out that there were irregularities and how they were allowed to vote. and we know that in georgia right now we have new laws as do 27 other states that were not in place in 2020, that will make it harder to vote. republicans have intentionally restricted the right to vote across 28 states because they believe too many people have the right to vote in 2020. and so i'm absolutely proud of the work that i've done to lift up the right of voters i am not entitled to win an election, then i never once challenged by election, but i will always speak up for voters who need to have someone championing their right to cast a ballot and have that valid counted. >> stacey abrams. thank you very much for joining us. we appreciate your time. thank you for having the abbey and up next, did hillary clinton's 2016 debate predictions about donald trump come true we got the tape, stay with us the most anticipated moment of this election and the stakes couldn't be higher. >> the president and the former president, one stage two very different divisions for america's future. the cnn presidential debate tomorrow night at nine, live on cnn and streaming on max 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strikingly well this is a pattern, a pattern of divisiveness of a very dark and in many ways dangerous vision of our country, where he incites violence, where he applauds people who are pushing and pulling and punching at his rallies of course, the darkest form of violence following one of his rallies was the january 6 insurrection so i know that this campaign has caused some questioning and some worries on the part of many liters across the globe. united states has kept the peace through our alliances donald wants to tear up our alliances trump would go on to abandon the paris agreement, the tpp, the un human rights council, the iran nuclear deal, the open skies treaty. >> of course, to this day, he is still threatening nato latimer potent than the military and civilian intelligence professionals who are sworn to protect us as you may remember, trump would go on to say this out loud and helsinki standing right next to putin, when it came, when it came to the supreme court donald has put forward the names of some people that he would consider and among the ones that he has suggested are people who would reverse roe v. wade, and reverse marriage equality. i think that would be a terrible mistake and would take us backwards this week does mark the two-year anniversary when the justices overturned roe versus wade indeed, he said women should be punished, that there should be some form of punishment for women who obtain abortions she was also preska about this too since the overturning of roe, it now gives the state the power to do exactly that. >> in fact, trump recently said the prosecuting women or even tracking them is now up to the states. and finally, the prediction that still is unfolding by the de every time donald thinks things you're not going in his direction, he claims whatever it is is rigged against him. >> he said the fbi was rigged he lost the iowa caucus, he lost the wisconsin primary he said the republican primary was rigged against him. he claims the 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appearance. they really are setting this up for maximum impact. i mean, it could be tomorrow, but full disclosure could also be later in the week. but if this immunity decision comes down tomorrow, i mean, that's going to be perhaps topic number woman. >> i wouldn't be surprised if it comes tomorrow. abbe, to be honest with you, i think they will probably wait until friday and i'm not convinced that whatever the decision will be that it's going to really change the needle one way or the other? i think folks who's poor biden are going to stay there, folks its port trump are going to say they're in the people in the middle, i think are more concerned with kitchen table issues than whether or not the supreme court is going to grant trump full immunity, which i think most of us would agree isn't going to happen anyway, what do you do you think is gonna happen when donald trump gets asked, do you think you have immunity to order a hit on your successor or you predecessor in while you're in office because your president, i mean, i think the issue sets him up to lose it on something that he frankly is really far away from a mainstream on. >> well, i think there's a level in which he does think he has a president has a level of immunity. >> i'd be very surprised if they asked about the seal team six hit question during the debate. but i do think that it is a it is a point of contention for him in which he does believe that there's a level of immunity that a president has while in office. >> this also goes back to the point that you were talking to about maggie maggie haberman. is that donald trump has never had to shift to the middle, like many candidates are nominee's do he doesn't know how to talk about january 6 in a way that will translate well to the next phase of the campaign. you were talking about. they've been magyars reporting that they have been trying to workshop ideas, but this is another one of these things where his innate sense is to never say anything that his base might not agree with. so he can't go from these are 1,000 patriots that need to be pardoned to. well, you know what maybe 40 of them should stay in jail. it's the same thing with immunity. he's talking to a bunch of people that little sliver of society that doesn't know where they're going or they're up for grabs. and those folks don't like hearing this stuff, whether it's seal team six or any kind of the law doesn't apply to and there's also abortion that's we've gotten actually maybe a draft of an opinion that might be coming down that would side with the biden administration. these things were gonna be on the agenda anyway, but the contours of it are going to be shaped by what the court does. i think both of these issues favor biden, right. i mean, on the immunity issue, i think if you're biden, you can start to talk about donald trump saying that he wants to be a dictator, not understanding democracy, not understanding. there are limits to his power and they don't know abortion, this is the draconian world that american women live in. and it's all because of donald trump and the supreme court didn't he fashioned if you're not talking about inflation, if you're not talking about the economy, you're not talking about the border and you're not talking about chaos and wars all around the world all that does favor by your the immigration thing is gonna, is gonna be an issue. >> i mean, that's a really devastating report for the biden administration on those isis people. >> yeah, that's the sticky one right. but but i do think the president has something important to say. what is since then he's seen the numbers of immigration people at the border began to go down from his current policy. he sent secretary mallorca is down there and he'll be able to talk about that. so you showing that he's taking it seriously, which ultimately is what we're hiring a president to do. it's not that they won't make mistakes. it's not that things won't happen on their watch that we don't like. the question is, how can we trust the president to then take it in his hands and then try to fix the problems that arise. and i think what we saw in 2020 and that's to keep going back to this. but we saw donald trump at a point where he was tested in a crisis and he failed his test so joe biden's point now is to be able to say, i know we have a problem. here's how we're going to fix it. that works very often. >> preston take us out while which is well, as you started to segment, there are two issues, right. did that you're gonna be very important. it's going to be the border huge story has come out. that's going to be an accelerant. it's gonna be gasoline. trump will light it on fire at the same thing is going to have with abortion as well. joe biden has been very, very strident on how he's going to address the issue abortion, again, another issue which gasoline light the match debate tomorrow night reality is the polls show voters trust trump on so many of these issues. >> so it's really on joe biden to figure out how he's going to turn the tables. everyone. thank you very much. and don't forget how could you forget jake tapper, dana bash tomorrow, moderating cnn's presidential debate between president biden and former president donald trump. that will be live right here in atlanta, georgia beginning tomorrow 9:00 p.m. eastern and streaming on max. and thank you very much for watching news night. laura coates live starts right after this the most anticipated moment of this election and the stakes couldn't be higher. >> the present the former president, one stage two, very different visions for america's future. the cnn presidential debate tomorrow net it live on cnn and streaming on back with fast starts, create factory, great visual solutions perfect. your process that sides, make your statement. they say seeing is believing, but with stearns and foster, that's only part of the story. we handcraft every stearns and foster using the finest 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