Violated that order seven times, seen as Marshall Cohen hello, and joins me now so marshall, what can we expect . What are we going to be learning over the course the next few days as the historic trial gets underway. Yeah, heavy dose of history in new york city. This has this is an Election Interference case going back to 2016. Their indictment frames this as a scheme to falsify Business Records that Hush Money Payment to Stormy Daniels routed through Michael Cohen reimburse through the Trump Organization according to the prosecutors, they say that trump and his company basically cooked the books to hide this payment in violation of new york state law. A lot of legal experts are saying its a terrible idea for donald trump to take the stand that he would only hurt himself in doing so. But who else could we expect to see up there . Hes been sort of playing with some fire here in the last few days saying that he wants to do it. He did testify in some of those civil trials earlier this year, but this is a totally different situation. His personal liberty is on the line, not just money but potential incarceration if he is ultimately convicted. But lets not get ahead of ourselves. The prosecution goes from first and they have a pretty big lineups of heavy hitters. Michael cohen, the longtime attorney to donald trump turned trump enemy they will be squaring off we dont know exactly when, but he is definitely a big one. Theres also Stormy Daniels. Shell have an opportunity to tell her side of the story. You can see on the screen here some other figures, hope hicks, who was a Campaign Official back in 2016 david, also on the bottom right, hes not necessarily a household name, but hes super important according to the prosecutors, it was and trump who agreed to use news outlet or more of more of a tabloid really nationally enquirer to use that company to catch and kill damaging stories that could have harmed donald trump to buy the rights of those stories and bury them. So they never saw the light of day and so much has been made of this schedule because you have all these different trials in different cases. But of course the same time this is a man who was running for president. Yet again how are we expecting this trial to play out and for how long so the estimate is probably about six weeks. That gets us through april, may, and into june. But sometimes these things have a way of going a little faster, a little slower. I think a lot of people thought that Jury Selection might take longer than it ultimately did. But yeah, thatll trump. He has to be in court just like pretty much any american citizen charged with a crime, you have to attend your trial. That means you wont be on the Campaign Trail as much as he would like to be four days a week, he will have to be in Lower Manhattan in court. Certainly not a place he is used to being and not having any control over proceedings, really, Marshall Cohen, we know youd be watching closely. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Lets discuss some joined now by Scott Jennings and shan wu. Ocean is a Defense Attorney and a former federal prosecutor. He served in the Clinton Administration as a council to Attorney General janet reno and Scott Jennings is a cnn senior political computer. And a former Special Assistant to president george w. Bo. Thank you both. For joining me. Shan, i want to start with you as a former federal prosecutor, how would you approach these Opening Statements as marshall with just saying this is a chance for them to start telling a story for both sides i would keep it very simple to them, which is, this is a story about payments. And then the covering up of the payments and youre going to hear from people who will explain the documentation for following the money. And youre going to hear from people who were there talking about that money trail. And thats good. Just going to bring it to life for you. They. Need to be careful as in any prosecution, you dont want to over lead dramatically. Present the opening. Its really heres what the evidence is going to show you. It helps set the tone for the jury to really just keep your eye on the ball, just follow the evidence and also, you dont want to overpromise. You dont want to be bragging that youre going to hear this from such and such a witness, theyre going to cover everything for you, then turns out to be a problem with that witness. So you want to be a little bit minimalist. Stick to the facts and keep it very simple for them and scott politically, trump has spent the last few years telling everyone that hes the victim in all this in all these cases, the image of trump appearing in court is that still a Rallying Point for his face or do you think that some of his voters can start to tire of all this legal drama well weve got more legal drama to go for the rest of the year. This particular case in new york city, i think virtually all trumps supporters and basically, most republicans think that its a dog, that its a partisan case that the prosecutor is grinding partisan acts, that this has been contorted into a felony, that the Justice Department and added not to pursue. And so hes been obviously using that and using it to rally the base. I think this case is different politically truthfully than the january 6 case. Or even the documents case, because this ones in new york, this one is sort of lurid and its again, its novel. I mean, this is something that other people looked at and decided to take a pass on, but i suspect youre going to see trump go right after go right after the politics of it and use it to to get his base all, all on a froth over it. Absolutely. And its got as you note, this is a new york trial and in shan sitting in that jury box will be not just new yorkers, but manhattan nights in particular, there are 12 of them who have been selected plus six more who are serving his alternates and they are going to be meeting as a group for the first time on monday morning and this is an Interesting Group of people. We know a little bit about them and about their news habits for example, we know that they, that they are highly educated and informed. Two in particular lawyers, two or engineers, many with masters degrees. So what does that tell you . Do you think about how theyre going to handle this case . Well, from a prosecutor standpoint, you like welleducated savvy jurors because you feel they wont be daunted by emotional issues. They can fall it personally. I dont like engineers, lead jury feel theyre a little bit to mechanically oriented. They want certainty. Its like having a mathematician bright and then jury. Im lawyers are fine as long as theyre not criminal Defense Flares are prosecutors because then their expertise may interfere a bit. Would their objectivity and also cause other jurors to look too much to them. But generally the Legal Training is fine. Generally Higher Education is very fine. Theyre meeting together for the first time. Its gonna be a very important moment related. Theyre getting eyes on each other. Were going to be living on this case for a while. Ill and i think the one area thats been underestimated by the court and prosecutors is the amount of pressure on these jurors. I think judge merchan did a great job and going through the Selection Process fairly quickly. But were seeing the stress on these folks and they may be dipping into that alternate pool faster than they think theres a question over sequestration. Do you think . If thats something thats going to happen i dont think he wants to do that, but i think he needs to reconsider. That is particularly with that terribly event that happened on friday, there hes got to think about what effect the publicity is really having on them. I think itd be smart to sequester them for deliberations certainly problem with sequestering them now is none of them planned to be sequestered . You hadnt told them that and you might lose a couple of saying i just cant do that for family work, whatever obligations there are. But would this kind of pressure with people, are you saying after they made it through the voir dire that im feeling stressed. Im too anxious to do this. I think he needs to reconsider its got there are questions about Whether Trump will testify. He said that this is something that hes considering their number of legal experts who say thats a terrible idea i was speaking with norm eisen who said that his lawyer should throw themselves in front of trump to prevent that from happening this is not a trial thats going to be on camera. The most received from inside hi, the courtroom or our sketches. But the perception of him testifying in his own defense, does that have political benefits well the political benefit is obviously why hes saying that he wants to do it, is that, hey, i got nothing to hide. I did nothing wrong. Im happy to answer your question. So the political benefit of at least saying youll do it is obvious. Im not a lawyer, dont take legal advice from me. Call shan if youve been in an accident, but i but i would just say it strikes me. Is fundamentally dangerous to put them on the stand and put them under oath and after all, there is a reasonable chance hes going to avoid a conviction here. It only takes one juror, of course. And so you wouldnt want to put them in a position just for political purposes that would hurt the prospect of him actually beating the case. So politically though, i mean, you can easily see why trump would say that, because you want the public i like to believe i got nothing to hide. This is a witch on im willing to say that under oath. And so thats what hes doing right now. I think is stoking that image of a man who is being persecuted and is more than willing to tell his own for it in terms of the witnesses, the Prosecutor Prosecution so far has refused to reveal their witness list with the defense they theyve talked about trumps previous tweets about witnesses as a pretext for that, we know that there are some members of trumps inner circle who he could see testify marshall laid out some of those big names. Who do you think is going to take a stand and when can we find out . Well, i think the former National Enquirer publisher, mr. Or may be taking a stand early and that would be a smart witness to start with because he can really lay out this question of the strategy involved and why they wanted to catch and kill these bad stories. And that plays right into the Campaign Aspect of it. And also heres a less volatile witness to start with. It kinda sets the framework for not as much baggage perhaps as Michael Cohen will certainly hear from Cohen Ultimate Insider who can talk about how if theres a Defense Being raised and maybe trump wasnt aware of what was going on. Youll hear from cohen. Thats impossible. Trump was a micromanager to all these things. And i think Stormy Daniels will be a very powerful witness. She comes across, i think very sympathetically. I think the jury is really going to love her and the prep for her is you just want to keep a very focused on just actually what happened. I think those are the three main people that youre going to hear from scott. We saw the former president trying to campaign over the weekend. He was supposed to be in wilmington, North Carolina yesterday and then that rally got canceled at the last minute because of weather. So we heard marshall say that the president , former president s expected to be in the courtroom four days a week how how much is that going to hurt . Obvious itll hurt his campaigning, but how much does the lack of being on the Campaign Pain Trail actually hurt his chances at getting elected well look i have maintained this is a strange election in that youve got two president s who are fully known basically fully vetted by the American People. Ive wondered, is there a single tv ad thats going to make a difference . Is there a single rally thats going to make a difference . People know how they feel. So i dont actually think its going to diminish his chances to get reelected if he doesnt have a few rallies, i dont think so. Now, you noted he was supposed to be an old carolina this weekend, and obviously thats become a battleground state. I do hear that its pretty close down there. So if youre trump, youd rather be able to do things than not do them. But at the end of the day, i do think trump and biden in are both going to end up winning or losing this rais based on their records, which are both really fresh in the minds of the American People more so than a rally that happened a few months before the november election all right. Well, i know youll both be watching very closely tomorrows those Opening Statements happen in that new york courtroom. Shan wu, Scott Jennings. Thank you. Both for joining us and cnn will have special coverage tomorrow starting at nine eastern time just before those Opening Statements get underway. You can watch that here on cnn or stream it on max work fast. Thats the white house is message to senators will take up a 61 billion aid bill for ukraine. As the director of the cia warns that ukraine could lose the battlefield by the end of the year without more help with mu the fight against climate change. This is incar Business Blue Carbon. 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