And dr. Fauci offering this stark warning. My concern is that if states or cities or regions in their attempt understandable to get some form of normality disregard to a greater or lesser degree the check points that we put in our guidelines about when it is safe to proceed in pulling back on mitigation. Because i feel if that occurs, there is a real risk that you will trigger an outbreak that you may not be able to control. Which, in fact, will set you back, not only leading to some suffering and death that could be avoided, but could even set you back off the road to trying to get economic recovery. It would almost turn the clock back rather than going forward. And as you saw right there, dr. Fauci and all of the witnesses even the chairman of the committee testifying and speaking and testifying remotely because theyre in some form of quarantine after contact with covid positive staffers. That itself is a statement on the current state of the pandemic here. Kaitlan collins is at the white house. It was an extraordinary hearing. Dr. Fauci clearly as everyone heard, not mincing words with his warning but that is not what we have been hearing from the president. Reporter you saw a really much more sober analysis of really the state of where the nation is right now and as far as just dealing with the pandemic and when it comes to reopening. With fauci warning about reopening too soon and prematurely and what that could look like if that does happen and the cdc director dr. Robert redfield saying were not out of the woods yet and as you watch the lawmakers get the first chance to question officials i dont think anybody has testified since fauci did in march and democrats pushed back on the president s claims about the u. S. Prevailing on testing but, kate, so did republicans. You heard from lorl alexander who is chairing the committee talking about his concern about testing and senator mitt romney doesnt believe it is anything to brag about. So theyre trying to give a much more realistic pragmatic like at what things are like right now. Officials are careful to say their answers in a certain way and careful to say where they think things are and where they are going and advice they are offering to the president and saying they do not believe they have a confrontational relationship with the president , who often at times they are publicly at odds with. As youre mentioning mitt romney and what senators were kind of breaking from the president , this also during the hearing dr. Giroir he expected that the u. S. Could conduct 40 million tests a month by september and then mitt romney taking issue with not just that but the administrations record on testing to date. Let me play that for folks. Yesterday you celebrated that we had done more tested and more tests per capita than south korea. But you ignored the fact that they accomplished theirs at the beginning of the outbreak, while we treaded water during february and march, i find artistic record nothing to celebrate whatsoever. And kaitlan, again, that is not what were hear fromming the president. Reporter that is interesting to hear mitt romney push back on what they said about testing and the comparison with other countries which youve seen several senators make given the tack record early on and south korea has been one of those because theyre testing differently now but many health experts, kate, have said because they had such rigorous testing early on that it changed the trajectory for them. They were able to flatten the curve differently than the United States and that is why theyve had a few hundred deaths and over 80,000 deaths reported here in the United States and dr. Fauci doesnt know in that number is accurate. He thinks it is almost certainly higher than that 80,000 number which is a sober reminder of where things are right now and were not even through this yet. We know some. We know a lot but we definitely dont know a lot. Dr. Fauci making that very clear during testimony. Good to see you, kaitlan. Joining me now is dr. Seema yasmin and cnn analyst julia cayenne, from the department of Homeland Security during the Obama Administration. Thank you for being here. Doctor, your first big impression coming off of this hearing . Do you have a sense that the country after watching that hearing is ready to safely up . So the title of the Senate Committee hearing was safely getting back to work and safely getting back to school. And i dont think it really answered those questions about how states should best do that and you could just hear the frustration in the senators voices about senator chris murphy from connecticut was asked the cdc director clearly and directly what happened to the 17 page report that came from cdc last week that the white house seemed to have shelved. And senators were asking when and how should we reopen and when they might expect the guidance from cdc and the director gave a vague and frankly disappointing response so this hearing leaves so many questions. Yes, it remind us we have 80,000 deaths and as dr. Fauci said were not out of the woods and this is not under control but that guidance for states about how best to move forward, that still hasnt happened. And people are searching for that at this moment. And julia, contrast all of this with the message that the president has been pushing, especially just yesterday, hitting it quote unquote certain blue states, hitting at them for making no efforts in his view to open up. Let me play just to remind folks what the president said yesterday. And the people arent going to stand for. They want to get back. Theyre not going to stand for. They want our country open. I want our country open too. I want it open safely. But i want it open. Also saying that when it comes to testing that, as he said yesterday, they met the moment and prevailed. So, everything that a president said was a lie. Lets begin first with the people. The people, the pooling has been consistent from the beginning that americans actually are much more cautious than how trump is portraying them, from 60 to 80 of americans feel that it is too soon to go out and theyre very nervous about our inability to test and trace, our failure to have treatments and the fact that the vaccine is so far away. So that is the people the people is donald trump. The second piece was about opening up in the commercial activity. What i really liked about faucis testimony is he linked the economy with the Public Health needs. In other words, donald trump has been able to put camps, open up everything or shut down and everyone is unemployed. What fauci was saying was cautiously open up. Because if you dont open up cautiously, which i read him to mean a lot later, hes definitely not in a hurry to open up, are your economy, governor or mayor, will be worse. So if you are thinking about this in economic terms, no country, no city has ever been vibrant, has ever been economically vibrant with a pandemic. It is just impossible. Because people will die, people will be sick, people wont be able to go to work. So i like that fauci sort of put the lie to Donald Trumps camps. And the fact that trump speaks for the people is just not true. The polling is very, very consistent on this. And doctor, on testing, what does that statement mean, that they are expecting the country to be able to do 40 to 50 million tests a month by september. What does that mean to you. Weve had so many promises since february that i feel many of us dont know how to interpresent that and are skeptical about whether that will materialize. We do know that since january weve done 9 million tests, last week were doing about 260,000 tests a day and that is woefully inadequate in order to reopen the economy we need to have testing. The whole point of testing is that you could adequately separate people who are infected from people who are susceptible. And yet we need to have maybe four, five, even ten times as much tests being done in the u. S. As were searing now and it is just amazing as a british doctor who left england to train in Public Health in america, because this had one of the best Public Health systems in the world and im baffled as to what is happened and why 103 days after the World Health Organization declared this an international emergency, why is the u. S. Still so far behind in the most basic Pandemic Response stage which is testing. Well, and to that point, julia, from a preparedness perspective, leaning on your background, when it comes to testing, there seems to be agreement, maybe not at the white house, but there would seem to be agreement within the hearing and outside of the hearing that as a country the government needs to get better at this. Are you seeing any signs that they are . Yes. So that is the good news. So in an odd way, because of the governors were left on their own, a lot of them had to invest with funds they could barely find on testing and tracing. You saw Governor Cuomo here on air and we had that from the beginning. It is not ideal and does not have any unified effort coming from the federal government so we are challenged in that regard. And this is another instance and senator romney picked up on this, we knew what was coming in january, february and march. That is when you want the testing capacity. That is what south korea did. Because then you stop community spread, right. Everyone has to remember were all home and from preparedness i want to avoid this moment, this eight weeks that weve been home and the only way to have been able to do that is what the preparedness plans from, the Bush Administration and the Obama Administration were telling this administration which is identification first, social distancing to control certain pockets. Well get better at testing, but were sort of always three or four months too late. Julia, dr. Fauci made clear that he believes the death toll overall is higher than is listed right now. He said certainly its higher. Youve written quite a bit about this and why it matters so much. Why. I appreciate that. Ive been writing for the atlantic through this and one is a number matters because well have a sense of how bad we are. It is such a horrifying and embarrassing number, 80,000, but it is larger and the reason we need to know is because as i said the dead speak to us and Emergency Management and preparedness, we need to find out how and why they died. They didnt go to hospitals, were there other conditions not being addressed, were they dying of heart attacks, was it nursing homes, so we believe there is a lot more dead because of comparing the dead this month, this year compared to dead last in the last couple of years in the same months. So we do believe there is por dead. And we have to understand how theyre dying so we could prepare for the rest of this pandemic and certainly the next one. We also obviously do it for the moral and religious reasons of just being able to honor those who died and died of the plague. So i really, again, appreciated fauci bringing that up. No one should be proud of 80,000 but it is not 80,000. The numbers that were looking at now and just bracing americans for it, are well above 100,000 at this stage. And thats our own reckoning at this stage. Juliette, dr. Yasmin, stick with me and dr. Faucis warning not to be cavalier when it comes to how the virus is impacting children. Also later, the Supreme Court hears landmark cases on the president s tax returns and financial records. What led one justice to respond, the president isnt above the law. Leep. So, no more tossing and turning. Because only tempurpedic adapts and responds to your body. So you get deep, uninterrupted sleep. 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A topic that came up quite a bit during todays coronavirus hearing was how and when kids could safely head back to the school. At one point rand paul who is a physician argued that the low death rate among children from covid19 is reason enough that they should be going back to school in the fall. Dr. Anthony fauci seemed to take issue with that. Listen. With regard to goking back to school, one thing left out of that discussion is mortality. Shouldnt we discuss the mortality of children is. This is for dr. Fauci as well, the mortality between zero and 18 in the new york stata approaches zero. I think the one side fits all and well have a pandemic and nobody is going to go to school. If we think the children are immune and so again youre right in the numbers, that children in general do much, much better than adults and the elderly and particularly those with underlying conditions, but im very careful and hopefully humble in knowing that i dont know everything about this disease and that is why im very reserved in making broad predictions. Back with me now dr. Seema yasmin and julia cayenne. What throughink when you heard he kind of stated it as a scientific fact, once you got it you wont get covid19 in the shortterm and we dont have enough evidence to say that. But the comments about children do concern me, because how things have changed in just the past few months, early on in the pandemic the data from china led us to believe that children were spared from contracting the virus and now were seeing that, yes, children might fair better overall compared to adults but they are certainly not spared. Weve seen children dying in the u. S. From covid19 and now were seeing strange manifestations of covid19 in children, possibly a syndrome called kawasaki disease where blood vessels get swollen and leaky and condition called multistate inflammatory syndrome and toxic shock syndrome potentially linked to covid19, so there are too many unknowns for us to just declare that kids are fine, we can reopen schools when we have so many questions about their role in the pandemic, how likely they are to be asymptomatic carriers and for those that get sick how do we make sure they dont develop the severe manifestations of the disease. And that i was talking to a pediatric Care Specialist who said with these complications that seem to be showing up, presenting themselves with the disease, there are longterm impacts that they will need to track and follow as these children hopefully recover from covid past that because of this massive inflammatory disorder popping up in more children. So there is more concern to that. So juliette, beyond that back and forth, between fauci and rand paul, did you hear clear guidance on what school in the fall should look like and im talking from kindergarten through college. Because it was all asked. Right. So i have a middle school and a high school and a college student. So im hearing it from all ends because it is different, residential is different than younger kids. So, no, there was no specific guidance. We had reason to believe that the cdc has gone through the exercise, we should assume they have because that is what theyre planning on doing, the white house has not allowed it to be release because they dont want to own this huge challenge, it is a challenge because no one wants kids sick. But this is another instance where the white house presents everything as binary and senator rand fell into that. There will be opening up of educational programs, theyre absolutely has to be because working parents actually have to start working again, too. Our productivity may be down these days, but so how that works is going to be different. Calendars may change. Youre hearing about colleges and universities having onethird, onethird and onethird and probably do more in terms of online learning, theyll be classrooms that will be different in Public Schools where my kids are, theyre talking about getting rid of some classes to be able to have a teacher in the hallway because the teacher is vulnerable and have the students inside. So there is a lot of creativity, no one size fits all but the idea that you just open up without taking into account what doctor was saying or some of the other medical concerns is just absolutely, it is so dangerous for our children. So there will be opening up but the word means Something Different depending on the jurisdiction and the age of the children. And without buy in from the federal government or the cdc at least saying we trust this, it will mean safety for your children, how could any parent feel comfortable with what is being presented . That is a much longer conversation to be happening. That is the confident the confidence gap. It gets to everything. Doctor, thank you so much, and juliette, thank you as well. Just coming into cnn right now, while 48 states will be partially open by this weekend, a very different announcement is coming in in southern california. The l. A. Times is reporting los angeles count could be extending the stayathome orders through midsummer. Lets get to nick watt in california for us with more on this. Nick, bring everybody up to speed. What are you hearing . Reporter well, as you mentioned, the l. A. Times is reporting that during a board of supervisors meeting in Los Angeles County, the director of Public Health said that l. A. County will very likely extend the stayathome for another three months, through the end of july. This will be a big shock for many people here in california who have been getting used to the gradual easing of restrictions since this past friday but you know, the governor has made it very clear that rural and urban areas in this state will and can be treated differently. L. A. County has been very cautious, theyre going to open the beaches here tomorrow. But nobody is lying in the sand. People are Wearing Masks and unless theyre in the water. L. A. County which