Trump deserves to be investigated. He is violating every basic norm of a president. You should be asking him the question. Why is he on the phone with a foreign leader trying to intimidate a foreign leader . If thats what happened. Thats a thats what happened. You should be looking at trump. Trumps doing this because he knows ill beat him like a drum. And hes using the abuse of power and every element of the presidency to try to do something to smear me. Everybody looked at this, and everybodys looked at it said theres nothing there. Ask the right questions. Okay, but if youve never spoken to your son depending on what the house finds, he could be impeached. Im not making that judgment now. The house should investigate it. The house should investigate this. This appears to be an overwhelming abuse of power. Get on the phone with a foreign leader who is looking for help from the United States and ask about me and imply things, if thats what happened, thats that appears to be what happened. We know thats what giuliani did. This is outrageous. You have never seen anything like this [ all talking at once ] before you entered the race, one. Your concerns was about your family being brought into there race. Are you comfortable running a campaign in which i know what im up against. I know what im up against. A serial abuser. Thats what this guy is. He abuses power everywhere he can. And he sees he sees any threat to his staying in power, hell do whatever he has to do. But this crosses the line. Sir this crosses the line. Im calling the president to release the transcript of the call, let everybody hear what it is. Let the house see it and see what he did. Thats what im calling for. Sir for their part, the president s team has suggested that biden leveraged his position when he was Vice President to shield his son, hunter, for an investigation that involved his role on the board of a Ukrainian Gas Company. Lets be clear, there is no evidence of any wrongdoing. We and many other Media Outlets have looked into it the story doesnt check out. Jeremy diamond is at the white house. The president referred as he has in the past to all of this drama as a witch hunt. And yet when asked in the oval office about this famous phone call with president zlinsky on the 25th, when asked if he brought up biden on the call, he didnt deny it. Reporter no, he didnt deny it. In fact the president has refused to say whether or not he did, indeed, bring up biden. When he was asked, he could have taken that opportunity to deny that that conversation took place, but he didnt, alex. What were seeing instead from the president is something of a familiar playbook here. It is one that the president previously used when he was facing investigation by the special counsel, robert mueller. Yall recall, of course, that he repeatedly referred to that investigation as a russia witch hunt. Now hes referring to this whistleblower complaint as the ukraine witch hunt. Striking out yesterday in the oval office, and again today on twitter, against this whistleblower complaint and trying to paint it as some kind of a partisan exercise. That, of course, alex, ignores the role that the Inspector General for the Intelligence Community has played. This is somebody who was appointed by President Trump, confirmed by the u. S. Senate last year. And he, in fact, has taken the extraordinary decepof going to step of going to congress and making clear he disagrees by the acting director of National Intelligence to not share this complaint with those congressional lawmakers of those relevant Intelligence Committees. So that all continuing to play out. But alex, this is not going anywhere. We know that next week the acting director of National Intelligence is expected to testify on capitol hill. And the president for his part, he is going to be meeting actually with the ukrainian president on the sidelines of the United NationsGeneral Assembly next week. So this issue sure to remain front of mind. Alex . Yeah, thats right. Acting d i Joseph Maguire testifying to the house and Senate Intelligence committees. Lots of questions for him. Thank you so much. Now this is a very complicated story involving lots of different people, lots of different strands. So lets take a quick look at how we got here. What should have been a routine call between World Leaders was anything but. On a july 25th call between President Trump and his ukrainian counterpart, trump pressed him to work with his personal lawyer, rudolph giuliani, on digging up dirt on joe bidens son. The white house said the two president s discussed strengthening the relationship without giving specifics. Ukraine said they talked about the investigation of Corruption Cases which inhibited the interaction between ukraine and the usa. In may the president s lawyer, rudy giuliani, said he was going to ukraine to push the new president to investigate joe biden and his sons links to a gas company. He canceled the trip, but then in july went to madrid to meet with an aide to president zelensky to talk about biden. Bidens son, hunter, had served on the board of a Ukrainian Gas Company which ukraines prosecutor general was supposed to be looking into. But in 2016, joe biden, as Vice President , played a prominent role in getting the prosecutor fired because he had been ignoring corruption. Biden joining other countries and groups in the widespread push to get ukraine to clean up its act. Fast forward to 2019, and President Trump, his lawyer, and many supporters pounced, accusing biden of helping out his son. Now there are questions about whether that push by trump and giuliani is tied to the late august move by the white house to put a hold on 250 million in military aid for ukraine which was later released. On september 1st, Vice President moo Vice President met with Vice President mike pence met with zelensky. As President Trump had me make clear we have grave concerns about issues of corruption. Reporter whatever the alleged promise that the whistleblower says the president reportedly made, democrats in congress are vowing to get to the bottom of those claims. They deserve a thorough investigation. Thats what were intent on doing, and come hell or high water, thats what were going to do. Reporter house intel chairman, adam schiff, saying come hell or high water hes going to get his answers. Hes going to be asking next week in an open session questions of the acting director of National Intelligence, Joseph Maguire, who had blocked that complaint from the whistleblower at the behest of the white house and the department of justice from congress. He will also be appearing at some points in the week, we dont know when yet, in front of the Senate Intelligence committee. That will be a closed door hearing, and he will be he will be asked some very strong questions about why he did not hand over the complaint and the contents of this complaint. So lets break down this complex story with cnn political commentator and host of s. C. Cupp unfiltered, s. C. Cupp, and former assistant secretary at the department of security juliet hiem. Thank you for joining me to try to break down what is really a complex story involving two countries and a long, long list of individuals. So lets start at the beginning. Juliet, we had this incredible moment this week where this the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community went to congress, essentially circumventing the director of National Intelligence on this complaint, not revealing what was in it, but had been told by the white house and the department of justice to not forward this complaint as he has meant to do. What do you make of that . So there are four stories now going on. So im going to try to make it clear to people. As you said, it has been a complicated 72 hours. So four different stories. One, of course, bidens son. An irrelevant story to what trump is doing. As you noted, everyone whos examined it, its irrelevant. The white house is raising this issue of corruption by bidens son. The second is regarding quid pro quo. Did the president call ukraine and say im going to hold up the military money or not. Thats a question that we dont know the answer to yet. The third story is regards the whistleblower, what you mentioned. The question of really is there a coverup going on. And then the most important and the only one that matters which is did the president and his agents simply say to the ukraine get information on my political enemi enemies . Giuliani admitted it. The liaison to the ukraine for the white house basically sort of introduced giuliani to all the right people. So hes trump is using the apparatus of the u. S. Government to make this happen. And then trump has not denied it. That last piece, did the phone calls get made so that the ukraine would perceive it as the president is asking us to dig up dirt on bidens son, thats not in dispute. Its not in dispute. No one is denying that. So all these other issues are important, but the core issue is what the president did to get a Foreign Government involved with our elections. There are allegations from democrats that this is very much tied that the president has tiedaid to that country, to ukraine, 250 millionsome that was initially held up and released. Contingent upon whether the ukraine actually investigated biden and his son. Did it strike you, or what struck you about when the president was asked about this in the oval office and did not deny that he had talked about biden on this call with zelensky . Yeah. In fact, i think later told reporters, well, someone should look into biden. Someone should look into biden. Almost i wouldnt say, you know, in a court of law, you know, admitting to what has been alleged he said in this phone call, but basically saying, well, im interested in that, arent you interested in that . Under the umbrella of having this conversation. So theres a lot to look into. Juliette very expertly laid out all the tentacles of this. And part of what trump is counting on is how complicated this is. Its why hes raising the specter of a witch hunt and introducing kind of other elements into this because he wants us to be confused. He wants us to think, well, i cant trust this aspect, so im not going to trust any aspect. Or i cant make sense of it, so im just going to forget about it. Right. Juliette, dwe do have investigations by three different committees into the trump al trump al trump giuliani and ukraine dealings. We have joe maguire, acting d i, in front of the committees next week. Joseph maguire has a tough line here, where he has a complaint from someone in his own Intelligence Community, but its about his boss. So if you were in the house or the senate next week, what would you be asking of acting d i month gier . I would ask him who told him he could not disclose this to the house or senate. We believe, we know that its the department of justice, its barr and olc essentially be a. Why this piece is less relevant, if you do an analogy to the mueller report, this is the obstruction of justice part of it. This is just a sort of piece which theyre trying to hide this information from coming out. And so its relevant because obviously we want the information that the whistleblower knew, but it surely seems already we know a lot of it already. Trump has not denied it. Giuliani has already said it. So if youre in the senate or the house, youre going to just push maguire. Maguire is i dont feel sorry for him. Hes in an impossible position. Hes chosen to be in that impossible position. I am so tired of all of these people in leadership positions not defending the covert operatives or intelligence who are getting information to protect the u. S. Government. Yes, he may be in a bind he has a solution. He absolutely has a solution which is to go public. It is absolutely clear he can do that or quit. But this is the stage were at now, you know, to be to be blunt about it. And these intelligence operatives this one in particular he did everything by the book. He filed the complaint with the Inspector General. Intelligence community famously apolitical. But then when the president was asked about this whistleblower, he called him or her a partisan. And then when asked if he knows who it is, said that he doesnt know the whistleblowers identity. So lets listen to how several republicans are trying to spin this. This is a clear example of someone thats part of the deep state, so part of the deep state in the Intelligence Community, taking advantage of this whistleblower procedure and then trying to create this firestorm. Looks to me like another deep state attack. I mean, another bureaucrat attack, bureaucratic attack on the president. I think there are people in the Intelligence Community and other parts of our government who just have it out for the president and are utilizing every opportunity to try to take swipes at him. Youre never going to see the attacks stop. The left is not going to give up because they cannot even accept the fact that they lost. S. E. , here we are again, this deep state being tossed around. Given how complicated in is you know, this is an incredibly important story. Will people tune out and just assume that thats what this is is just more of the deep state, going after trump . People want to certainly will. Look, i dont think its unimportant to ask a question about the volume of leaks coming out of this white house. And that should be alarming. But again, its not its not the story here. Its the story they want to talk about, and its why trump has spent so much time conditioning the environment over the past threeplus years so that all of these institutions from intelligence to Law Enforcement would be undermined, and he would have people saying its the deep state, look no further. A lot of people are going to stop there. And instead, instead of pursuing important questions. Juliette, if, indeed, this whistleblower is going by the book, what recourse, what happens next . What recourse does this person have . Because they could come out and make accusations in public. But were assuming at this point this is someone who wants to keep their job and stay under cover in the Intelligence Committee community. And not get arrested for disclosure of information that might be classified. This is why i think we are at a new moment. The whistleblower followed processes that assumes that the president would not be the, you know, the person threatening our national security. Would not be the focus of concerns about whether, you know, someone was undermining our safety and security. So the problem here is that you have an entire process thats built rightfully to be apolitical. Now you have this political overlay because it is the president who is the focus. That is why i dont have confidence in the processes anymore, and that is why i think youre seeing so many leaks to the washington post, to the wall street journal. I have never seen anything like this before in terms of the specificity of information from a whistleblower. People on the inside know that the processes arent working, right. They know that barr and maguire and the olc lawyers are stopping the processes because they are protecting the political person, namely donald trump. So this is why were in a new era about sort of how do we protect our democracy. Lets be clear here, from intervention by a Foreign Government in 2020. You know, read the report, right. 2016 and now 2020. This is deja vu just in plain sight. But lets not be blinded by the fact that its in plain sight. Its happening. Okay. We could be talking about this incredible story all evening. We have to leave it there. Thank you so much, juliette, s. E. Thanks. Be sure to tune in in just under an hour to s. E. 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