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This potential gamechanger in the norths standoff. U. S. Intelligence sources telling cnn that they believe north korea has now produced nuclearized miniaturized Nuclear Warhead that can fit inside of its missiles. Essentially, that means this is a nuke small enough to be strapped to an Intercontinental Ballistic Missile. Lets go straight to the region, to will ripley who has reported extensively from within north korea. Will ripley, i realize it is in the middle of the night where you are but as people are beginning to wake up, what do you anticipate regional reaction will be . Reporter well certainly here in china, they are going to call for calm as they always do whenever there is any provocation from north korea or any word of a Major Development like this. Keep in mind, north korea has been claiming that they had a miniaturized Nuclear Warhead since last march. They even put out a photo of their leader, kim jong un, standing in front of this metall metallic orb and there was so much skepticism, even ridicule in the media, saying there was no way north korea had miniaturized a warhead by that point and yet fast forward, here we are now in july of next year, and they are months away from having a reliable Intercontinental Ballistic Missile that could deliver that warhead to pretty much all of the United States. What china is going to say here is that china shares some of the responsibility because of the military exercises they engage in regularly with south korea that north korea looks at and views as a dress rehearsal for an invasion and therefore they feel very justified in testing these missiles, and developing their nuclear program. But the fact that china signed off on this new round of sanctions and is promising to enforce them to try to cut 1 billion from north koreas export income, roughly a third of their export income, it does show that china, just like the rest of the key players in the region, are getting increasingly concerned about this. Let me play just this exchange since youve been in north korea multiple times. You were there. You had this exchange with a military official. This was april. Watch. Reporter what should the world think when they see these Ballistic Missiles rolling by . Is north korea a threat to the world . The Korean Peoples Army is fully ready to attack our enemies at any moment, he says, if they try to attack us. Tell me more about that exchange, will, and what do you think whats he saying there . Reporter well, whats so remarkable is that i have heard that time and time again. I first started going into north korea back in late 2014, and officials have always been confident that they would have a weapon like this. North korea had it written into their constitution on orders of kim jong un that they will become a fullfledged nuclear power. But back in 2014, even 2015, and last year, people were skeptical, saying it was going to be quite some time before north korea would be able to accomplish that, and that certainly the sanctions would stop them or slow them, and yet north korea has proven that they are very resourceful. Theyve gotten around the sanctions. They set up Fake Companies that were able to allow the transfer of billions of dollars cash into that country that it helped pay for this missile program. And the parts to build the misses as well. And now nobody is skeptical. Now people are realizing that the strategic patience of the obama years didnt work and President Trump may be the u. S. President who has to do something to get north korea either to the diplomatic table, to talk about this, and try to figure out a way to get rid of the nukes, or the situation could escalate and thats the real danger is that if theres one misstep, that could lead to a chain reaction. Nobody on either side wants a war to break out. Nobody wants to use these weapons because the consequences would be catastrophic. But the fear, what if there is a mistake that leads to a conflict that theres no walking back from. No, the fact that this has been years in the making, the fear years in the faking, were going have all those conversations here with my next two guests. Will ripley, thank you so much. I have dave, a Research Associate at the James Martin Center for nonproliferation studies and Laura Rosenberger is with us, she was a member of the Six Party Talks delegation on north Koreas Nuclear program under president george w. Bush, and shes the director for china and korea at the National Security council. She was under president obama. So, a huge welcome to both of you. But david, i mean, youre the expert here on this nonproliferation and talking about these nukes. I mean, when you hear that this is now happened, years in the making, now happened, reportedly, how worrisome is this . Well, its certainly not a good thing. But again, the North Koreans have been telling us that theyre moving in this direction as early as last year. As mentioned previously, the North Koreans had a photo op with kim jong un early in 2016, showing kim jong un standing in front of an implosion device that was intended for being mated with an icbm and then their last nuclear test, they did use words to indicate that they had possibly tested that design. So its certainly something thats worrisome, but its not out of the blue. So, laura, how do you see it . I mean, so much over the years, north korea, its been bluster and rhetoric. Yes, theyve been testing a lot of these icbms, but do you see them using it. This is a challenge that has vexed numerous administrations of both parties. Its an incredibly serious challenge. I think we have seen a very clear intention from north koreas leaders and particularly since kim jong un came to power, a very clear determination to pursue and achieve this capability. Thats why weve seen the pace of missile tests accelerate. Thats why weve seen continued Nuclear Testing and while there is a whole lot of bluster and rhetoric, theyve been clear in their intentions and its a serious challenge that requires a serious strategy to deal with it. So, dave, weve talked about, you know, what does the u. S. Do in response. We know that china here would like it if the u. S. Stopped its military exercises with south korea, the u. S. Is saying no way, we need to be ready just in case. Whats the strategy . Is it getting north korea to the table to have some sort of conversation, to stop this before it gets any worse . What do you foresee . Correct. I think a conversation is vital to solving this issue. Military conflict on the peninsula would be catastrophic. So i think the only option we really have is to Start Talking with the North Koreans, to see what they want, to see what the administration wants, and to try to find some type of middle ground between both parties. Laura, the white house has said that all options are on the table. Even yesterday, north korea said its missiles and Nuclear Weapons are not up for negotiation. They vowed to retaliate with 1,000fold revenge over the sanctions that even russia and china agreed to. So, what is President Trumps move . What does he do now . It is important thats to laura. Go ahead, laura. It is important that all options remain on the table. I mean, i do think that in any kind of scenario where we are still, in fact, trying to Deter North Korea from taking any action that would be harmful to our National Security interests or the National Security interests of our allies and partners, but in order to be able to have a successful negotiation, we need to create the conditions for that to happen. I mean, kim jong un, at the moment, has made pretty clear he has no interest in giving up these programs. And so, thats why the sanctions are just so important in order to increase that pressure to help change his calculus. And it cant be sanctions alone. Sanctions are just one of the tools that we have. We need to think about the military options that we have, not necessarily in terms of actually using them in offensive way, but our posture in the reel region, the kinds of exercises we can be conducting, making sure our missile capabilities are what they need to be, and frankly, china needs to feel more pressure. We need to be making sure that china understands that there will be consequences for its security if we dont rein in the threat that we face from north korea. What about the thaad system, the antimissile system, if there were to be an icbm coming anywhere in our direction, we could knock it down. Where is that . I dont believe the i dont believe thaad is designed for an icbm targeted at the United States. Thaad is more built around the defense of the Korean Peninsula. And Missile Defense is great, but it doesnt ultimately solve the problem of Nuclear North Korea with missiles that can deliver those bombs. So, its a layer of defense, like many other things are, but ultimately, i think conversations, however small, are key to resolving this issue. Okay. So thats for Korean Peninsula specifically. Last question, laura, quickly to you, i was listening to a military colonel on our air today asking the question, is kim jong un suicidal, homicidal, or rational . How would you answer that . I think kim jong un cares about kim jong un. I mean, this is about his own selfpreservation. This isnt even necessarily about the preservation of the regime in the way his father and grandchildren though grandfather thought. We need to see if he sees having this capability to that just as hes seen taking out all his as ve adversaries internally as part of the strategy. As we are structuring a strategy, and it has to be a coordinated, sbegtdintegrated strategy, it cant be different messages and random tweets. It has to be a coordinated strategy that sends a very clear signal and helps provide that environment for changing the calculus of the north korean leader. I think thats absolutely essential. Laura and dave, thank you so much. As we are covering this breaking news out of north korea in this advancement that apparently has been years and years in the making here, the president of the United States, instead choosing to tweet about polls, specifically cnn polls that show three quarters of americans dont believe a word that comes out of the white house. Were going to get you walk you through those damning new numbers. And the president still hasnt condemned the mosque bombing in minnesota. Now the community is calling him out. Thats next. Youre watching cnn. Im brooke baldwin. If you have medicare parts a and b and want more coverage, guess what . You could apply for a Medicare Supplement Insurance Plan whenever you want. No enrollment window. No waiting to apply. That means now may be a great time to shop for an aarp Medicare Supplement Insurance Plan, insured by unitedhealthcare Insurance Company. Medicare doesnt cover everything. And like all standardized Medicare Supplement Insurance Plans, these help cover some of what medicare doesnt pay. So dont wait. Call now to request your free decision guide. It could help you find the aarp Medicare Supplement plan that works for you. These types of plans have no networks, so you get to choose any doctor who accepts medicare patients. Rates are competitive, and theyre the only plans of their kind endorsed by aarp. Remember these plans let you apply all year round. So call today. Because nows the perfect time to learn more. Go long. You myour joints. Thing for your heart. Or your digestion. So why wouldnt you take something for the most important part of you. Your brain. With an ingredient originally found in jellyfish, prevagen is now the number one selling brain Health Supplement in drug stores nationwide. Prevagen. The name to remember. We believe in food thats anaturally beautiful, fresh and nutritious. So there are no artificial colors, no artificial flavors, no artificial preservatives in any of the food we sell. We believe in real food. Whole foods market. Hey, im the internet i know a bunch of people who would love that. The internet loves what youre doing. So build a better website in under an hour with. Gocentral from godaddy. The internet is waiting. Start for free today at godaddy. Welcome back. Youre watching cnn. Im brooke baldwin. Any moment now, the president will be briefed on the Opioid Crisis devastating america with more Overdose Deaths reported than ever before. Well take that as soon as we see it. But in the past hour, he has sent out a couple of new tweets, including this one. The president tweeting, dont believe the fake news suppression polls. Perhaps this is in response to a new cnn poll that shows a crisis of credibility at the white house. Lets go to our White House Correspondent sara murray following the president , whos spending some time at his golf club there in new jersey. Sara murray, lots to talk about in these polls, including the biggie, that number, basically three fourths of americans dont believe a darn word coming out of the white house. Reporter thats right. Look, this is a president who has historically low approval numbers and that voters and Americans Still view very skeptically. So lets start with whether or not you can trust the information coming out of the white house. Just 24 of americans say yes to that, a shockingly low number. 73 say no, they dont trust the information that is coming out of this white house, that is coming from this president. And when you look at the approval numbers, yes, the president can slam them on twitter as much as he wants, but we know he pays attention to these. His Approval Rating is at 38 . So, 56 of americans disapprove of the job he is doing. This number is at a low for cnns polling, and he is in very thin company, in terms of president s who have had Approval Ratings that are this low just six months into office. Let me ask you, sara, quickly, since you covered his campaign, you cover the white house, the fact that the president s tweeting about these poll numbers while theres a potential major crisis in a nuclearized warhead, north korea. Reporter it does make you wonder what the president is paying attention to today. Even if he were, lets say, paying attention to cable news, he would see that every show is basically leading with this crisis in north korea. Weve obviously asked the white house for any kind of information, any kind of response to the news that weve been getting on this development. So far, weve heard nothing from them. As you pointed out, were expecting to hear from the president shortly as hes at this opioid event. I imagine the reporters who are there for the beginning of that will try to ask him questions about it. We will see if he engages on this issue. Advisers say behind the scenes, this is a top concern for the president. Hes been dialed in on the issue of north korea for months, but so far, were just getting silence from them today. We will listen in very closely on that upcoming event. Sara murray, for now, thank you in new jersey. Just as the president s credibility is under deepening scrutiny, we are learning about an administration attempt to suppress the way officials are talking about Climate Change. In an email obtained by cnn, President Trumps department of agriculture advised Staff Members at the Natural Resources Conservation Service to avoid saying the term Climate Change. Instead, use terms like weather extremes when describing their work. That is happening on the very same day that 13 federal agencies are contradicting the Trump Administrations stance on Climate Change. The New York Times cites a draft report that states, many lines of evidence demonstrate that human activities, especially emissions of gases, are primarily responsible for recent observed Climate Change. One scientist says he leaked the report to the New York Times because he was just simply afraid that the Trump Administration would change it. And this is partly why. Does the president still believe that Climate Change is a hoax . I think you will hear more today about the climate and what he believes. He does not believe that, as i mentioned at the outset, that there is a binary choice between job creation, economic growth, and caring about the environment. Ive not asked the president since the last time we spoke about this. Yes or no, does the president believe that Climate Change is real and a threat to the Nuclear Warhead<\/a> that can fit inside of its missiles. Essentially, that means this is a nuke small enough to be strapped to an Intercontinental Ballistic Missile<\/a>. Lets go straight to the region, to will ripley who has reported extensively from within north korea. Will ripley, i realize it is in the middle of the night where you are but as people are beginning to wake up, what do you anticipate regional reaction will be . Reporter well certainly here in china, they are going to call for calm as they always do whenever there is any provocation from north korea or any word of a Major Development<\/a> like this. Keep in mind, north korea has been claiming that they had a miniaturized Nuclear Warhead<\/a> since last march. They even put out a photo of their leader, kim jong un, standing in front of this metall metallic orb and there was so much skepticism, even ridicule in the media, saying there was no way north korea had miniaturized a warhead by that point and yet fast forward, here we are now in july of next year, and they are months away from having a reliable Intercontinental Ballistic Missile<\/a> that could deliver that warhead to pretty much all of the United States<\/a>. What china is going to say here is that china shares some of the responsibility because of the military exercises they engage in regularly with south korea that north korea looks at and views as a dress rehearsal for an invasion and therefore they feel very justified in testing these missiles, and developing their nuclear program. But the fact that china signed off on this new round of sanctions and is promising to enforce them to try to cut 1 billion from north koreas export income, roughly a third of their export income, it does show that china, just like the rest of the key players in the region, are getting increasingly concerned about this. Let me play just this exchange since youve been in north korea multiple times. You were there. You had this exchange with a military official. This was april. Watch. Reporter what should the world think when they see these Ballistic Missiles<\/a> rolling by . Is north korea a threat to the world . The Korean Peoples Army<\/a> is fully ready to attack our enemies at any moment, he says, if they try to attack us. Tell me more about that exchange, will, and what do you think whats he saying there . Reporter well, whats so remarkable is that i have heard that time and time again. I first started going into north korea back in late 2014, and officials have always been confident that they would have a weapon like this. North korea had it written into their constitution on orders of kim jong un that they will become a fullfledged nuclear power. But back in 2014, even 2015, and last year, people were skeptical, saying it was going to be quite some time before north korea would be able to accomplish that, and that certainly the sanctions would stop them or slow them, and yet north korea has proven that they are very resourceful. Theyve gotten around the sanctions. They set up Fake Companies<\/a> that were able to allow the transfer of billions of dollars cash into that country that it helped pay for this missile program. And the parts to build the misses as well. And now nobody is skeptical. Now people are realizing that the strategic patience of the obama years didnt work and President Trump<\/a> may be the u. S. President who has to do something to get north korea either to the diplomatic table, to talk about this, and try to figure out a way to get rid of the nukes, or the situation could escalate and thats the real danger is that if theres one misstep, that could lead to a chain reaction. Nobody on either side wants a war to break out. Nobody wants to use these weapons because the consequences would be catastrophic. But the fear, what if there is a mistake that leads to a conflict that theres no walking back from. No, the fact that this has been years in the making, the fear years in the faking, were going have all those conversations here with my next two guests. Will ripley, thank you so much. I have dave, a Research Associate<\/a> at the James Martin Center<\/a> for nonproliferation studies and Laura Rosenberger<\/a> is with us, she was a member of the Six Party Talks<\/a> delegation on north Koreas Nuclear<\/a> program under president george w. Bush, and shes the director for china and korea at the National Security<\/a> council. She was under president obama. So, a huge welcome to both of you. But david, i mean, youre the expert here on this nonproliferation and talking about these nukes. I mean, when you hear that this is now happened, years in the making, now happened, reportedly, how worrisome is this . Well, its certainly not a good thing. But again, the North Koreans<\/a> have been telling us that theyre moving in this direction as early as last year. As mentioned previously, the North Koreans<\/a> had a photo op with kim jong un early in 2016, showing kim jong un standing in front of an implosion device that was intended for being mated with an icbm and then their last nuclear test, they did use words to indicate that they had possibly tested that design. So its certainly something thats worrisome, but its not out of the blue. So, laura, how do you see it . I mean, so much over the years, north korea, its been bluster and rhetoric. Yes, theyve been testing a lot of these icbms, but do you see them using it. This is a challenge that has vexed numerous administrations of both parties. Its an incredibly serious challenge. I think we have seen a very clear intention from north koreas leaders and particularly since kim jong un came to power, a very clear determination to pursue and achieve this capability. Thats why weve seen the pace of missile tests accelerate. Thats why weve seen continued Nuclear Testing<\/a> and while there is a whole lot of bluster and rhetoric, theyve been clear in their intentions and its a serious challenge that requires a serious strategy to deal with it. So, dave, weve talked about, you know, what does the u. S. Do in response. We know that china here would like it if the u. S. Stopped its military exercises with south korea, the u. S. Is saying no way, we need to be ready just in case. Whats the strategy . Is it getting north korea to the table to have some sort of conversation, to stop this before it gets any worse . What do you foresee . Correct. I think a conversation is vital to solving this issue. Military conflict on the peninsula would be catastrophic. So i think the only option we really have is to Start Talking<\/a> with the North Koreans<\/a>, to see what they want, to see what the administration wants, and to try to find some type of middle ground between both parties. Laura, the white house has said that all options are on the table. Even yesterday, north korea said its missiles and Nuclear Weapons<\/a> are not up for negotiation. They vowed to retaliate with 1,000fold revenge over the sanctions that even russia and china agreed to. So, what is President Trump<\/a>s move . What does he do now . It is important thats to laura. Go ahead, laura. It is important that all options remain on the table. I mean, i do think that in any kind of scenario where we are still, in fact, trying to Deter North Korea<\/a> from taking any action that would be harmful to our National Security<\/a> interests or the National Security<\/a> interests of our allies and partners, but in order to be able to have a successful negotiation, we need to create the conditions for that to happen. I mean, kim jong un, at the moment, has made pretty clear he has no interest in giving up these programs. And so, thats why the sanctions are just so important in order to increase that pressure to help change his calculus. And it cant be sanctions alone. Sanctions are just one of the tools that we have. We need to think about the military options that we have, not necessarily in terms of actually using them in offensive way, but our posture in the reel region, the kinds of exercises we can be conducting, making sure our missile capabilities are what they need to be, and frankly, china needs to feel more pressure. We need to be making sure that china understands that there will be consequences for its security if we dont rein in the threat that we face from north korea. What about the thaad system, the antimissile system, if there were to be an icbm coming anywhere in our direction, we could knock it down. Where is that . I dont believe the i dont believe thaad is designed for an icbm targeted at the United States<\/a>. Thaad is more built around the defense of the Korean Peninsula<\/a>. And Missile Defense<\/a> is great, but it doesnt ultimately solve the problem of Nuclear North Korea<\/a> with missiles that can deliver those bombs. So, its a layer of defense, like many other things are, but ultimately, i think conversations, however small, are key to resolving this issue. Okay. So thats for Korean Peninsula<\/a> specifically. Last question, laura, quickly to you, i was listening to a military colonel on our air today asking the question, is kim jong un suicidal, homicidal, or rational . How would you answer that . I think kim jong un cares about kim jong un. I mean, this is about his own selfpreservation. This isnt even necessarily about the preservation of the regime in the way his father and grandchildren though grandfather thought. We need to see if he sees having this capability to that just as hes seen taking out all his as ve adversaries internally as part of the strategy. As we are structuring a strategy, and it has to be a coordinated, sbegtdintegrated strategy, it cant be different messages and random tweets. It has to be a coordinated strategy that sends a very clear signal and helps provide that environment for changing the calculus of the north korean leader. I think thats absolutely essential. Laura and dave, thank you so much. As we are covering this breaking news out of north korea in this advancement that apparently has been years and years in the making here, the president of the United States<\/a>, instead choosing to tweet about polls, specifically cnn polls that show three quarters of americans dont believe a word that comes out of the white house. Were going to get you walk you through those damning new numbers. And the president still hasnt condemned the mosque bombing in minnesota. Now the community is calling him out. Thats next. Youre watching cnn. Im brooke baldwin. If you have medicare parts a and b and want more coverage, guess what . You could apply for a Medicare Supplement<\/a> Insurance Plan<\/a> whenever you want. No enrollment window. No waiting to apply. That means now may be a great time to shop for an aarp Medicare Supplement<\/a> Insurance Plan<\/a>, insured by unitedhealthcare Insurance Company<\/a>. Medicare doesnt cover everything. And like all standardized Medicare Supplement<\/a> Insurance Plan<\/a>s, these help cover some of what medicare doesnt pay. So dont wait. Call now to request your free decision guide. It could help you find the aarp Medicare Supplement<\/a> plan that works for you. These types of plans have no networks, so you get to choose any doctor who accepts medicare patients. Rates are competitive, and theyre the only plans of their kind endorsed by aarp. Remember these plans let you apply all year round. So call today. Because nows the perfect time to learn more. Go long. You myour joints. Thing for your heart. Or your digestion. So why wouldnt you take something for the most important part of you. Your brain. With an ingredient originally found in jellyfish, prevagen is now the number one selling brain Health Supplement<\/a> in drug stores nationwide. Prevagen. The name to remember. We believe in food thats anaturally beautiful, fresh and nutritious. So there are no artificial colors, no artificial flavors, no artificial preservatives in any of the food we sell. We believe in real food. Whole foods market. Hey, im the internet i know a bunch of people who would love that. The internet loves what youre doing. So build a better website in under an hour with. Gocentral from godaddy. The internet is waiting. Start for free today at godaddy. Welcome back. Youre watching cnn. Im brooke baldwin. Any moment now, the president will be briefed on the Opioid Crisis<\/a> devastating america with more Overdose Deaths<\/a> reported than ever before. Well take that as soon as we see it. But in the past hour, he has sent out a couple of new tweets, including this one. The president tweeting, dont believe the fake news suppression polls. Perhaps this is in response to a new cnn poll that shows a crisis of credibility at the white house. Lets go to our White House Correspondent<\/a> sara murray following the president , whos spending some time at his golf club there in new jersey. Sara murray, lots to talk about in these polls, including the biggie, that number, basically three fourths of americans dont believe a darn word coming out of the white house. Reporter thats right. Look, this is a president who has historically low approval numbers and that voters and Americans Still<\/a> view very skeptically. So lets start with whether or not you can trust the information coming out of the white house. Just 24 of americans say yes to that, a shockingly low number. 73 say no, they dont trust the information that is coming out of this white house, that is coming from this president. And when you look at the approval numbers, yes, the president can slam them on twitter as much as he wants, but we know he pays attention to these. His Approval Rating<\/a> is at 38 . So, 56 of americans disapprove of the job he is doing. This number is at a low for cnns polling, and he is in very thin company, in terms of president s who have had Approval Rating<\/a>s that are this low just six months into office. Let me ask you, sara, quickly, since you covered his campaign, you cover the white house, the fact that the president s tweeting about these poll numbers while theres a potential major crisis in a nuclearized warhead, north korea. Reporter it does make you wonder what the president is paying attention to today. Even if he were, lets say, paying attention to cable news, he would see that every show is basically leading with this crisis in north korea. Weve obviously asked the white house for any kind of information, any kind of response to the news that weve been getting on this development. So far, weve heard nothing from them. As you pointed out, were expecting to hear from the president shortly as hes at this opioid event. I imagine the reporters who are there for the beginning of that will try to ask him questions about it. We will see if he engages on this issue. Advisers say behind the scenes, this is a top concern for the president. Hes been dialed in on the issue of north korea for months, but so far, were just getting silence from them today. We will listen in very closely on that upcoming event. Sara murray, for now, thank you in new jersey. Just as the president s credibility is under deepening scrutiny, we are learning about an administration attempt to suppress the way officials are talking about Climate Change<\/a>. In an email obtained by cnn, President Trump<\/a>s department of agriculture advised Staff Members<\/a> at the Natural Resources<\/a> Conservation Service<\/a> to avoid saying the term Climate Change<\/a>. Instead, use terms like weather extremes when describing their work. That is happening on the very same day that 13 federal agencies are contradicting the Trump Administration<\/a>s stance on Climate Change<\/a>. The New York Times<\/a> cites a draft report that states, many lines of evidence demonstrate that human activities, especially emissions of gases, are primarily responsible for recent observed Climate Change<\/a>. One scientist says he leaked the report to the New York Times<\/a> because he was just simply afraid that the Trump Administration<\/a> would change it. And this is partly why. Does the president still believe that Climate Change<\/a> is a hoax . I think you will hear more today about the climate and what he believes. He does not believe that, as i mentioned at the outset, that there is a binary choice between job creation, economic growth, and caring about the environment. Ive not asked the president since the last time we spoke about this. Yes or no, does the president believe that Climate Change<\/a> is real and a threat to the United States<\/a>. You know whats interesting about all the discussions we had, the focus remained on whether paris put us at a disadvantage, and in fact, it did. Does the president believe today that Climate Change<\/a> is a hoax. Is paris good or bad for this country. The president and i focused our attentions there. Does he still believe its a hoax. I have not had an opportunity to have that discussion. Donald trump did weigh in on Climate Change<\/a> as a private citizen and also as a candidate so let me read you a couple of tweets. This was back in 2012. He wrote, the concept of Global Warming<\/a> was created by and for the chinese in order to make u. S. Manufacturing noncompetitive. Okay. 2013, he writes, its freezing outside. Where the hell is Global Warming<\/a> . 2015, i believe in clean air, immaculate air, but i dont believe in Climate Change<\/a>. 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Yeah back on our breaking news here, multiple sources say u. S. Intelligence analysts have assessed that north korea has achieved a miniaturized Nuclear Warhead<\/a>, so sara murray, let me just bring you back in over in new jersey, covering the president there. We were just talking about this, you know, scrum or q a with the president as he was addressing the Opioid Crisis<\/a> in the country and apparently he made news because he did react to this north korea report. What did he say . Reporter thats right. As we expected, he was asked about this, and the president issued a very stern warning to north korea. Until we get the video, im just going to read you what the president just said. He said, north korea best not make any more threats to the United States<\/a>. They will be met with fire and furry like the world has never seen. They will be met with fire, fury, and frankly power the likes of which the world has never seen. Now we know some of the other president s top advisers said all options are on the table when it comes to dealing the north korea. Theyve made clear that that includes the military option. Obviously, well be waiting to see if they offer any more details on how they plan to deal with this as the day proceeds, brooke. Okay, sara, thank you very much. Ive got sabrina here with me, andre, a republican, used to serve as the Lieutenant Governor<\/a> in south carolina, and cnn chief political analyst gloria borger. Gloria, when you hear the words out of trumps mouth, fire, fury and frankly the power the likes the world has never seen in talking to, of all people, kim jong un, what do you make of that language . Well, the language is very strong. I think the saber rattling goes on on both sides in this case. And i think the president is sending a very sending a very direct message. You know, the problem this president has right now is and weve been talking about this because of our polling is his credibility on all issues, including Foreign Policy<\/a>. You know, six out of ten people dont think hes done a very good job. Actually, gloria, let me cut you off. Heres the president. Lets listen in. They will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen. He has been very threatening, beyond a normal statement. And as i said, they will be met with fire, fury, and frankly, power the likes of which this world has never seen before. Thank you. Thank you. So thats exactly what sara murray just reported out. Gloria, let me you were midthought. Go ahead. Well, i mean, look, you saw the president. I mean, he was very somber, he was very determined. Clearly angry. Theyve threatened us. Now weve threatened them back. And you know, the question is, does this ratchet up or do we find a way to calm everyone down to avoid something that could, you know, that could result in the use of force at, you know, at this point. And i think the president , you know, there is an issue here for the american public, forgetting the north korea issue, which we cant, there is an issue because twothirds of the people out there dont seem to trust what the president says. And six out of ten dont give him high marks on handling Foreign Policy<\/a>. And so the bar is going to be pretty high for people. They know that kim jong un is crazy. They you know, they understand that. But they may want to see a more measured response before we take it up to, you know, to another level here. And i think the president s threat was kind of a tit for tat, and well have to see what happens next. No, i think on that, and sabrina, just asking you, yes, tit for tat and normally the rhetoric coming out of pyongyang thats the over the top kind of fiery words. It seems to me that the president is matching instead of lowering the temperature. One of the key concerns that was actually raised by candidate trumps opponents, and also republicans, if you recall, in the National Security<\/a> community, was whether or not he would be prepared to lead in a time of crisis. And they were exactly concerned about, you know, his erratic behavior, his propensity to tweet, and i think that, you know, it does contrast what youve heard from those on the Foreign Policy<\/a> side of this administration, nikki haley, rex tillerson, even cia director mike pompeo, all expressing a desire to deescalate this conflict and approximate purspuc resolution with pyongyang. I think the biggest question will be whether or not the president is willing to listen to the counsel of those around him as he faces this test, this first real test of his leadership, is he going to go on a more aggressive position. Just makes you wonder how rex ti ti tillerson, whos been overseas, how this hurts or helps him when the president of the United States<\/a> says Something Like<\/a> this. You mentioned nikki haley so let me toss to some sound, andre, and well talk on the other side here. The u. N. Ambassador nikki haley was on fox news this morning, asked about an unsubstantiated report, and so they asked her about it and this was her response. I cant talk about anything thats classified, and if thats in the newspaper, thats a shame. Its incredibly dangerous when thing get out into the press like that. Youre not only just getting a scoop on something. Youre playing with peoples lives. So she doesnt comment on it, andre, but then the president of the United States<\/a>, you know, i dont know if he has on his twitter retweets, does not equal endorsements, but the president retweeted that very unsubstantiated just only according to sources report, which is total hypocrisy. Well, maybe the president wanted to get a message hang on. Let me just get you to agree with me on that because he is talking out of both sides of his mouth. Well, no, maybe theres a message underlying message that he wants the American People<\/a> to know or korea north korea to know. The constitution clearly allows him to do this based on a ruling back in 1988, a majority vote, and so he may have knowledge that he wants to get out there. He may be sending a message that we dont even directly know about and so he has it is within his purview, being the president of the United States<\/a> to do that. How is that not totally hypocritical . It certainly is hypocritical. You think about what Jeff Sessions<\/a> was saying on friday about leakers. Think about how this white house has aggressively gone after leaks, but that only happens to be leaks that they deem inconvenient for the administration, and the narrative around the trump white house. I will tell you, this is the kind of behavior that leaves americans concerned about how the president will respond in a time of crisis. There was actually a recent poll by cbs, 61 do not believe or i should say uneasy about how trump will approach a conflict with north korea. So, i think, again, it remains a question as to whether or not the people around him can rein him in at a time like this. You look at our own cnn poll, gloria. Go ahead, andre. Let me hear you. I was going to say, he may not need reining in. For a year now, better than a year, ive watched commentators talk about donald trump during a primary, during the general, about his missteps, and sometimes his missteps were the very steps that got him where he wanted to be. This may not be a misstep at all. In fact, it may be very shrewd, shrewd like a fox, he may be sending a message and in fact may curtail some type of behavior. Were not going to know every move the president makes. Maybe youre right. But let me point out, andre, i got to jump in because he has been obsessed with leaks and stopping the leaks, and in this case by retweeting this fox news story, he endorsed a leak of classified information. But the president full of anonymous sources. These are all of the things he calls out every day. The president has the purview, at any point in time, to declassify anything without any oversight whatsoever. I understand, but do you hear what im saying . This is a man who says no to leaks, calls a bunch of people, you know, fake news, dont believe it. Anonymous sources, its b. S. , but yet hes retweeting a fox news article which is full of this stuff. I do understand. I respect your viewpoint, but again, i would say that donald trump, a lot of times, has taken a tidbit of information and used it to send a specific message to an individual, and he may be doing everything he can in conflict resolution to try to stop this from escalating at a different he may be sending a clear message that we dont even know about and i suspect that is what he is doing. That is why he has declassified this information and let the American People<\/a> know and the North Koreans<\/a> know as well. Okay. I think its a common sense viewpoint, but i respect you, andre, i appreciate you being on with me and voicing your own. Lets talk about credibility. We keep thinking about this number, 75 of americans dont believe a word coming out of the white house. Well, lets take it a step further because his support among some of his core, fiercest trump supporters, thats also done. Noneducated whites and republicans who strongly approve of trump are both down since february. So, theyre having issues with his own credibility. Yeah, you know, i think they are. When you hear about phone calls the president says happened, whether its with a leader in mexico or the boy scouts, and it turns out that the phone calls never happened, you know, you cant really blame it on the media all the time. Also, i would say that a lot of his supporters are not seeing the results that they want, and while he is popular among republicans, and he still has approval with his base of support, we do see it eroding. And that is and we see his leadership numbers eroding. That is why, when you you know, to bring this back to north korea, when you are we are clearly at an Inflection Point<\/a> here, one way or another, and people look to a president in times like these to tell them the truth and to make sober, levelheaded decisions about what the next steps are, he he has a great team around him, people believe, and so you have to believe theyre going to do the right thing. But he is also the spokesman for his administration on these kinds of issues, directly to the american public. And this is where credibility gap, which is now a chasm, comes in, because at this time, people need to believe their president. Right. Right. Right. People are looking to the president on that. People are also looking to the president on something that i know you feel very passionately about. I didnt want to let you go without asking about this mosque incident over the weekend in minnesota, this bombing. The governor is calling it an act of terrorism. On average, nine mosques have been targeted every month. But in this case, over the weekend in minnesota, theres been nothing from the president , no tweet, no comment, and that angers you. Well, i think that what you hear from members of the Muslim Community<\/a> is frustration that they have not heard anything out of the white house with respect to this bombing or other hate crimes that have been on the rise over the last few years, not just against muslims but also other people of color. This mirrors the response by the administration to the threats that were made against the Jewish Community<\/a> centers. It took a very long time for the president to go out and condemn those threats. He also, when there was a shooting of an indian man in kansas, it took them a long time to address that incident as well. When it comes to minorities that feel like theyve been made targets due in part to the rhetoric from the president and his association with the altright. It seems like theres this hesitation in terms of actually going out of his way to condemn and disavow these actions. Thank you so much. Gloria, thank you, and andre, thank you as well. Coming up next, more on this heated rhetoric from the president. North korea will be met with fire and fury if it threatens the u. S. Again. Thats from the president just moments ago. Well be right back. Hey badda book. Badda boom mr. Badda book. Badda boom book now at choicehotels. Com on a perfect car, then smash it into a tree. Your Insurance Company<\/a> raises your rates. Maybe you shouldve done more research on them. For drivers with accident forgiveness, Liberty Mutual<\/a> wont raise your rates due to your first accident. Switch and you could save 782 on home and auto insurance. Call for a free quote today. Liberty stands with you\u2122. Liberty mutual insurance. Hey, im the internet i know a bunch of people who would love that. The internet loves what youre doing. So build a better website in under an hour with. Gocentral from godaddy. The internet is waiting. Start for free today at godaddy. Right now, President Trump<\/a> has been meeting with his health and Human Services<\/a> secretary, tom price, at his new Jersey Golf Club<\/a> on the issue of the nations Opioid Crisis<\/a>. He has been facing pressure to declare it a National Emergency<\/a> and cnns poppy harlow saw firsthand how it is ripping families apart. Ive missed you so much. Aint a day went by. Man. Its been a long time. Ten years. Yep. Ten years. Yeah. Im sorry. Its fine. Its fine. Reporter 12yearold caleb just saw his biological father for the first time in a decade. I just want you to know, ive changed for the better. I done a 360 in my life. Yeah. Reporter he knows more than any child should ever have to about the grip of heroin. It ripped his dad away from him. You were going through so much when you was that age, man. I didnt have no means to get you to where you guys needed to be. I didnt. Yeah. I understand. So i let you guys just stay where you was. I knew you were well took care of. Come on. Just throw it. Reporter is it a crisis in this community . Oh, i think so. The addiction to it and the hold that it has on people makes it really hard to get off of it. Reporter but the kindness of strangers has saved caleb. Hes being raised by cindy and jesse, who took him and his brother in as foster children a decade ago. And then adopted them both. Its a lot to cope with, caleb, at 12 years old. Its just been a lot better than i would have done with my other parents. Reporter the most recent data show 50 of the children in ohios foster care system are there because of their parents drug use, and more than half of those are because of an opioid addiction. Of the 15 foster children cindy and jesse have taken in, 13 are because of their parents drug addiction. Im confident that if we opened another bed in our home, it would be filled with another baby with an opiate issue. Reporter thats a sad reality. It is. Yeah. Its hard to hold a baby as theyre withdrawing from heroin. I hate to say it this way but we kind of clean up a little bit of the mess. So i mean, we need more people to help clean up the messes with us. Reporter kalib decided that even after so many years, he wanted to see his birth father, james, who says hes been clean from heroin for the past 18 months. Its his choice if he wants to go back on them, but i feel i can help in some way to motivate him to not use it again. Reporter what do you think when you hear kalib say that at 12 years old, he wants to be part of what helps his dad stay off of heroin . I mean, its scary, because thats a big responsibility for a 12yearold. And i also have a different understanding of the pull to heroin for these moms and dads, and im sure theres a part of him that really does want to stay clean for him. Theres also a part of me that knows that it doesnt always work that way. Reporter james says he was addicted to heroin for more than a decade. It cost him his family, his job, and even his home. But today, sober, he gets to see his son for the first time in ten years. Reporter how you feeling . Emotional. Nervous. Its been a long time. Reporter of course youve thought about all that the heroin took away from you. Yes. Yeah. It took my whole life from me. Reporter all your children. All of them. All my children, my job at one time. I was homeless out here for three years, you know, not knowing where my next meal was coming from, you know, i was out here shoplifting to support my habit. It got bad. Many, many jail stays. You have to hit bottom. You have to. Or youre just not going to get help. It took me, you know, almost dying, not even being here, to do it. Im glad youre feeling better so i can see you. Much better. So what do you like to do . Well, i like to well, i really like my favorite subject in school is science. Really . Uhhuh. Thats cool. Always caught my interest. I mean, im just telling you, ive never stopped thinking about you. Never. Never. Even when i was out there messed up. I thought that would be my motivation to quit, to stop. But it just wasnt enough. Im glad now that you are able to be clean. Yeah. Yeah. No desire. Reporter as he went to bed that night, kalib told his mom that was the best day of his life. A day of hope after heroin. Cnn, dayton, ohio. So poppy is back with us today. Just to think of a dad, and it sounds like his wife, they were both hooked on heroin. She still is. And he says to his kid, who he hasnt seen in ten years, so what do you like . I mean, what else do you say . The children were taken, kalib and his brother, from their parents when they were two years old and thank goodness for the kindness of strangers. Thank goodness for cyndi and jesse, who have taken them in and 15 years, most of them from parents addicted to opioids and other drugs. Now we see what happens. Right . Now hes been sober for 18 months because he almost died from an overdose. Can he stay sober, brooke . Can he rebuild somewhat of a relationship with his son and his other children . Maybe. Well see. But i was just blown away that this 12yearold, not only wanted to see him again after all that, but said, i want to help be the reason to keep him clean. Youve got 50 of the kids in ohios foster system, theyre there because their parents are on drugs and more than half of those are because of heroin and thats why a lot of people look at this and say these are the invisible victims. These are the other victims of this crisis. No, thank you for reporting on it. And we know that as we speak, the president s in a room with tom price, hhs secretary, and a number of other people. He talked so much about it on the trail, addressing the epidemic. I was talking to a mom last hour who lost her son, william, who was 19, from this, from an overdose. And im just glad the administrations addressing it. Me too. Well see if they declare it a National Emergency<\/a>. That would mean a lot more funding. Agree. Thank you so much. Check out our reporting, go to cnn. Com hooked. Back to our breaking news today. Intel sources believe north korea has this Nuclear Warhead<\/a>, enough to fit on a ballistic missile, icbm. Well be right back. Verybody ignores me when i drive. Its fine. Because i get a safe driving bonus check every six months im accident free. Because i dont use my cellphone when im driving. Even though my family does, and leaves me all alone. Heres something else. I dont share it with mom. I dont. Right, mom . 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Turns out, its californians its me and its you. Dont stop now, its easy to add to the routine. Join Energy Upgrade<\/a> california and do your thing. The Google Software<\/a> engineer behind this controversial 10page memo is out. Gone after blasting diversity and women in the workplace. A source at google tells cnn hes no longer listed in an online directory. Multiple outlets have flat out said hes fired. He said women are less suited for tech jobs than men for a host of biological and psychological reasons. Then defends his comments as just a differing viewpoint counter to progressive news. According to bloomberg news, he is now, quote, exploring all legal remedies. Lets bring in two ladies to discuss this, liz plank, Senior Correspondent<\/a> and producer for vox. Com and mary hamm, Senior Writer<\/a> for the federalist skpaand author of in discussion. You say the outrage has gone too far. Does that mean you dont think he should have been fired . Yeah, i actually quibble a little bit with the characterization of this piece of writing that i dont think was antidiversity or a screed. He said, look, we should look at who our genders are motivated by and what theyre not and how that could be a factor in the gender inequality we have in this industry. Thats not to say women are unfit for tech jobs. It was sort of mounted in this rather mild and dispassionate way, and here is my concern. Yeah. As you may have noticed, i enjoy disagreeing with people. I relish people who disagree with me. I like living them, i like being friends with them, i even married one of them. I think its what makes American Life<\/a> rich, and i think when we get to the point where something sth that is a rather dispassionate area for disagreement rises to this story of an economic disadvantage who rose this argument, then we are not a country of free speech and dont get to issues and solve problems. Mainstream folks writing in mainstream publications verified twitter accounts saying, they would like to beat the [ bleep ] of this person for saying it. We should round up all the people who agree with it and fire them also. This is totalitarian impulses and im not on board with that. Whew. Thats where you are, and i appreciate that viewpoint. Liz, where are you on all of this . Do you agree or disagree . This employee was an atwill employee. Google can choose to fire them as they please. I think you respect that. It is important in American Society<\/a> that we respect employers decisions to do that. What this manifesto did and the conversation that sort of ensued is an important one. And the disagreement rp, i thin is great, and brooke, why im happy youre talking about this issue and bringing light to it. For google, this is bad. It drew attention to the fact that google has a serious problem with diversity. I find it ironic that a Search Engine<\/a> company that can help me find a pizza has such trouble finding women of color to fill their positions. 7 out of 10 employees at google are men. That is not representative of society. Only 2 of their employees are africanamericans and africanamericans. And if you look at other cities like washington, 10 of their workers are africanamericans. People say its a pipeline issue but do you agree like mary catherine, i think, was essentially saying america is great for all these various opinions, diversification of thought. That was maybe wrong for google despite the fact that maybe we dont all agree with what this guy said, he is allowed to say it. Do you think hes allowed to say it where hes saying women shouldnt be allowed anywhere near a computer and he should be fired for it. Liz . I feel comfortable that he feels comfortable sharing it. It was interesting when stuff came out of the culture at uber that was enabled systemic sexual harassment, and i think there are sort of things a lot of men felt like they could say and do were not appropriate. I do wonder what kind of culture exists at google that made a white man, who is in a senior position, engineer at one of the most one of the Biggest Tech Companies<\/a> in the world feel threatened by a few diversity programs. And then want to share that and write 10 pages about it and have it leaked in the way that it had and think that there would be no consequences. Isnt a piece of this, mary katherine, this is directed at you. This Software Engineer<\/a> had hiring power. He could impact the empowerment of women. This is a guy who is basically saying i dont like women around computers i often disagree with you in a very jovial way and i just totally disagree with the characterization is ththat that what hes saying. Thats why i disagree with the reaction to this. If it were what you were saying, i would be more on board with lizs point of view. Were saying, look, this is a valuable conversation to have, and i agree. One of the things this person was bringing to the table is perhaps part of diversity is idealogical diversity as well. Ironically, and nobody seems to recognize the blinding irony of this, he was saying one of the problems with google is were in this idealogical insular bubble that people like me dont want to bring our ideas to the forefront, and then it was leaked to punish him and he was fired for it having been leaked. How should google then, mary catherine, have handled it instead of saying, we dont agree, youre out . More speech is better. When you get to the point where youre essentially saying you will be economically punished for something thats not really, really out of bounds, which i dont think this memo was, then were not having a discussion and were not celebrating free speech. That doesnt mean government is cutting down on it, but i think there are ways we can approach it that are really important. Suck it up or well have a disagreement. Im all for it. It wasnt that the manifesto was offensive, it wasnt true. He didnt do his homework. Tech used to be a womandominated field in the 40s, and women were pushed out of that field. There is a whole movie about that. I encourage everyone to see it. Im brooke baldwin. Thank you, ladies. I have to go. The lead starts now. Im jake tapper. We begin with breaking news in our world. President trump issuing an extraordinary statement to north korea saying if the regime makes any more threats against the United States<\/a>, quote, they will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen. This, of course, comes after u. S. 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