Transcripts For CNNW CNN Newsroom With John Berman And Poppy

CNNW CNN Newsroom With John Berman And Poppy Harlow July 12, 2018

Theyre really liking what happened other the last two days, theres a great, great spirit leaving that room. In the uk, the president says they like me. Though that claim, too, will very soon be tested and john berman is there in london waiting. John lets start with nato and get into what is ahead with him in the United Kingdom. You put it that the president is declaring victory over our allies. What is your read on what played out this morning . The president claimed during this News Conference that he received new commitments for new spending. Each nato country committing more to their own defense and thereby the overall nato spending. It isnt clear whether that is true, french president Emmanuel Macron said we agreed to nothing more than what we already agreed to which is by 2024 each nato country spends 2 of its gdp on defense. Now the nato secretary general Jens Stoltenberg had a slightly sunnier view of what happened. He said on defense spending we had a frank and open discussion that created a new sense of urgen urgency. He said the president s clear message is having an impact and this nato is more united than befo before. So a new sense of urgency is one thing, spending is another, the details we have not seen. And despite what jan stolenberg said, more united than ever, we have heard from other people inside that meeting that it was tough, very, very contentious so well be interested to see as we hear from more nato leaders. And he didnt answer what he would doll if they dont increase military spending. Lets get to what is happening as we wait for the president to get off of air force one in london. He said they like me in the uk, especially on immigration. No one has any illusion that this relationship between President Trump and theresa may is anything like fdr and churchill but when asked by reporters in washington if she should be replaced he didnt give her a ringing endorsement. He said that is up to the people. That said, these are leaders that have common goals, right . He did not endorse theresa may and say i think she should continue on. Youre watching him at stansed airfield hes choppering in which gives you a sense of his relative letter on popularity which is to say not much. I was talking to the former director of communications for tony blair and he said its impossible to overestimate how despised President Trump here is. That might be an extreme view. Were expecting a protest of 50,000 people. Above Parliament Square theyll fly the blimp balloon of the mini donald trump has a cell phone in his zbland that thand. When you talk about brexit and what the reality is for the people of the United Kingdom, he questioned theresa mays handling of it. Lets listen. The people voted to break it up so i would imagine thats what theyll do. I just want the people to be happy. Boris johnson had a different view on how brexit should be handled. He wants theresa mays job. This is awkward ahead of the meeting. This will be a very auk toward days period for theresa may. She has her own problems independent of President Trump coming. It was very unusual for President Trump to say how much he liked Boris Johnson, suggesting he might even meet with Boris Johnson when hes here in the United Kingdom. Boris johnson quitting the cabinet. Theres President Trump and Melania Trump walking off the plane some 35 miles away from here. I will say, it was interesting on brexit you asked, poppy, the president did say it wasnt for him to say, i thought that was interesting particularly because as you well know hes been supportive of brexit over the last several years, even claiming to a certain extent credit to it. He demured in a very unPresident Trumpian kind of way. Not for me to say on brexit so to me that read he was trying to give theresa may a little space and i also wonder about that News Conference this morning in brussels. Did he hold that sort of long rambling News Conference there so that he doesnt have to do Something Like that here . Might we hear from him less here while hes in the United Kingdom which might be a fair to theresa may . And ahead of his meeting on monday with president Vladimir Putin. John berman, thank you very much for us. Well keep watching these live pictures. This is in stansed england, 35 miles from Central London. Hes going to have meets with the queen. Meetings with Prime Minister theresa may and hes not going to spend a lot of time in london. Maybe because he is expected to face big protests there despite him saying this morning that people in the uk like him a lot. Nick paton walsh is with me. Berman brought up the blimp of the president that is expected to fly above parliament signed off on by the mayor, sadiq khan, of london who there is no love lost between those two, thats for sure. But what are we expecting on the streets of london . Well, here where im standing about three hours from now where im expecting some protest, this is the u. S. Ambassadors resident which which donald trump is expected to fly in the next 20 or 30 minutes. Hell spend a few hours here possibly resting. Their there sounds to be a bit of a party going on before moving to blenham palace, the birthplace of Sir Winston Churchill where hell meet theresa may. She put out a statement that did not mention donald trump by name. Just expolled the virtues of the u. S. uk relationship and it could be a frosty visit given what he said about meeting her main political nemesis, particularly during this fight over whether and how the United Kingdom should leave the european union, known as brexit. Boris johnson, donald trump said he might meet with him and the ambassador here, the u. S. Ambassador said hell make that happen if its something they want to occur but still those comments from nato will haunt him here as well as the general sense, i think of exactly what the u. S. s new place in the world will be, particularly given how badly the you can needs that global alliance. Protest wise, tomorrow is supposed to be the larger day Central London gridlocked by 50,000 individuals. This is stloord a u. S. President is coming to london and evading the center of the capital, evading parliament. You you would expect him to get a guided tour around. Hell drop in for a matter of hours, regents park, an area a seventh of which has been taken over by maximum security, the bill for which some say could run to 15 million or so so a capital where local and National Politicians seem to think its an easy goal to deride the president and a sense that hes spending as little time as possible in contact with the British Population to some degree before heading late friday up to scotland where hell go for the weekend. Poppy . Notable indeed. Nick, thank you for being there for the report iing. President trump saying he himself has gotten nato to up their spending commitments. French president Emmanuel Macron, in spite of the warm and chummy bilat is questioning that claim. Nic robertson is joining me. Nic, when Emmanuel Macron disagrees he will call the president out. Thats right. He said this idea of raising the contribution to defense spending from 2 to 4 , he says he doesnt see the need for that. He said we analyze the need to increase defense spending on the Security Threat and he said frankly i dont see the Security Threat has gone up that far as well. President trump said he should take credit for the fact that over the past year since he last visited nato headquarters the leaders who he has got on the know very well have increased their defense spending by 33 billion. This is how he phrased what he wants and now expects and believes hes got agreement from from those nato allies. People have stepped up today like theyve stepped up before and remember the word 33 billion theyre doing. Theyre spending at a much faster clip. Theyre going up to the 2 leve level. Then we heard from Jens Stoltenberg, the nato secretary general, who was asked have nato allies agreed to any increase in speed . Have they agreed to any increase in level of raising that 2 above 2 , maybe 4 . Stoltenberg said, look, nato allies agree we need to speed up and increase the spending but he did not talk about the 2 gdp agreement that is to be met by 2024 so we dont have backing from president macron, Angela Merkel or the u. N. Secretary general indicating that backing up what President Trump has said. Indeed we heard as well what President Trump defending himself when he was asked about his very open, very loud criticism of Angela Merkel the german chancellor and their Energy Supplies from russia. This is how he defended the statements that have outraged and surprised some of his all s allies. I think its been an effective way of negotiating but its not negotiating, i want fairness for the United States. Were paying for far too much of nato. Nato is very important but nato is helping europe more than its helping us. So the concern here sr. That while President Trump tries to get his points across, he divides nato and thats a very negative message. The leaders here think to send to russia to president putin who likes Nothing Better than to see disagree in brussels. Exactly, ahead of this key sit down. Let me also bring inner ro erros and bianna golodryga. Let me play for you what one of the things that struck me that the president said this morning on the sit down that hes having with Vladimir Putin. Just a loose meeting. It wont be big schedule. I dont think it should take a long period of time and well see where it leads, but it could lead to something very productive and maybe its not. The time, bianna, that he did not rule out stopping military exercises in the baltics, obviously a clear show of force to russia and Vladimir Putin. All of that combined and the fact he did say he will ask putin about election meddling. What was your read on the president s stands towards russia. Well, lets start with the question of why they have to be a private meeting. If its going to be so loose, why not have other people from your staff and team with you. Having said that, what stood out to me is when he was asked about crimea and whether he would raise russias annexation of crimea, a typical u. S. Stance would be sanctions remain in place as long as russia is in crimea. He blamed obama. He said it wouldnt have happened under my watch but they theyve got that lavish bridge. They built the bridge after the annexation and it was built by one of Vladimir Putins best friends so using that as justification doesnt make much sense at all. We have to go to a break because Christiane Amanpour is going to speak one on one with Jens Stoltenberg, secretary general of nato. Youll see that here next. The world is full of different hair. Thats why pantene, the worlds 1 conditioner brand, has conditioners for every hair type. From airlight foam for fine hair, to nourishing 3 minute miracle for thick and curly. And the moistureinfusing gold series collection. 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All the allies were concerned and nervous hoping this summit was not going to devolve into a debacle like the g7 summit did with disunity and pulling out of communiques. How would you say you assessed the unity and the success of this summit . This has been a very good sum because actually we had very open and frank discussions. Theres no problem to have different views and open discussions as long as were able to conclude and deliver decisions. Thats exactly what we have done. Yes, there have been different views, we are 29 allies discussing different issues but we have also agreed on how to strengthen nato with the forces fighting against terrorism, reforming our command structure and we have agreed that we need to spend more, theres a new sense of urgency on the importance of investing in our defense. So lets take that issue, the new sense of urgency. President trump as we know and we saw publicly throughout the summit keeps demanding 2 . He not only demanded more. He demanded more to happen almost immediate ly rather than 2024 razz you nato allies agreed. So has President Trump secured a pledge from nato allies to immediately start spending more, up to 4 . Have the allies agreed specifically to figures demanded by the president today . The allies have heard his message loud and clear and his strong message on defense spending is having a real impact, just since last time President Trump was here in brussels at the nato meetings last may european allies have added 41 billion extra for defense funding so we have turned the corner. Before the trend was down and now the trend is going up and the all allies agree that we have to make good on the commitments we have made and increased defense spending but also that we need to stand united. We all expressed our support but we expressed more. What are the facts . We need to know the facts. The fact is that we have a commitment to increase defense spending. We all agreed we have to deliver on that ch. Perhaps even more important is that we only invest more than 40 billion just since last year. Its my cost to make sure we deliver. That we have substantial increase in defense spending in the years ahead and our Work Together with all our allies and of course working closely with President Trump and his leadership, his strong message is having a clear impact, allies are increasing defense spending. Which is what you said before. In fact, 100 of allies are increasing spending. Youve said that its up to about 5. 2 collectively. My question to you is, are you being told now that you need to raise individual spending by 4 or more than 2 . We have agreed that we need to make good on the pledges we have made. When he followed up that we deliver, im an optimist because we have seen that allies have started to increase. Last year was the biggest increase in a defense spending across europe and canada but also because i witnessed this discussion we had yesterday and today at the nato summit and allies understand that we really need to step up and redouble our efforts. And i see both the decisions we are made and the common understanding we have about importance of delivering. So im going to take it from what you say that you are committed to 2 and nothing further. Am i correct . We have a commitment to spend 2 . The important thing now is we feed to invest more. We need to get more money and the good thing is that since very much because of the very clear message from President Trump on this meeting i think that allies understand that there is a need to do that. Theres a sense of urgency when it comes to delivering on that commitment. Can i ask whether its correct that President Trump said he would go it alone if he didnt get the commitments that he was demanding . Any kind of implication that the United States would pull back in any way whatsoever . Well, as the president said himse himself, he didnt say that. He said he is very committed to nato and the fact that we have made many important decisions on stepping up the fight against terrorism come biened with more defense spending makes nato stronger and we are more united because we had open and frank discussions. That helps us to really create a real unity within the alliance. Can i play a little back around forth you and President Trump had during your morning meeting . Its all about what President Trump accused germany of, he said as you remember because you were sitting opposite him that germany was captive, totally controlled by russia because of a commercial natural gas pipeline being built and that was started 15 years ago. This is the backandforth and i would like to get you to talk about it afterwards. 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