The latest news from around the world with hosts John Berman and Poppy Harlow. That he was not trying to lead them in the direction of believing the law said you had to have an actual loan granted in a case like this. Only that manafort had a applied for that law with fraudulent information, poppy. Got it. Joe, before you go, its also intriguing that we learned that rick gates is not only required to testify as part of this plea deal with mueller team, in this trial hes required to help with the investigation into russian interference in the 2016 election. The prbroader russia probe. Thats part of his Cooperation Deal in all of this. What do we know about that requirement . Reporter what we know is that mr. Gates has to cooperate. He has to cooperate fully. We also know that there was a discussion earlier in the trial when he was being questioned by prosecution or defense. I believe it was the defense and he was asked if he had been talked if he had talked to the fbi about the campaign. There was a brief Bench Conference, discussion with the judge and the attorneys and that was the end of it. Now we do know that attorneys have asked for that portion of the Bench Conference to be sealed so that information about this Ongoing Investigation cant get out. We do not know the substance. All we know is there was a discussion about it. Joe johns at the courthouse. Thank you. Now, lets talk to experts, federal and while cal lollar attorneys. Thank you for waking up early for me this morning. 10 00 a. M. , its not that early. I know you like to snooze. Let me get your read on why
to be some potential jeopardy here. I think he said as much himself. I assume like the other People Mueller has interviewed, he interviewed another person that worked for stone. Its to get some further insights into whether he has any links to the people who hacked and dumped those emails. Right. On that point, sometimes attorneys are often, they will hold their one of their bigger targets, if youre a target of this, till the end. Now, oddly, maybe, stone told and Anderson Cooper hes not been contacted. Does it surprise you . It doesnt surprise me. If he is the target of an investigation which we dont know. Typically targets dont go into talk to investigators or
not subpoenaed before the grand jury because they have a Fifth Amendment right against selfincrimination. I think this Manhattan Madame Story is that roger stone was an unindicted person in the most recent indictment that bob mueller put down. Hes the one that had contact with guciffer 2. 0. I think clearly if this manhattan madame was intimate with mr. Stone around that time period, Thats What Mueller will want to know. When you look at what joe just described, the Side Bar Conversation that happened earlier this week tied to rick gates, the star prosecution witness, as it pertains to the question that was asked of him by the defense in terms of his role in the trump campaign, tie
all those threads together for me. A lot of people pointed out, defern defenders say this all proceeds their work for trump. Goes right up to the line of them working for trump. Its all about violations and a alleged fraud that happened during their years of work in ukraine. The one question we have all had is after Gates Service to mueller in this Manafort Trial is over, did he also and is he also working with mueller on the question of collusion and giving mueller information about his role as the deputy for the trump campaign. Remember, gates stayed in the campaign longer than manafort. He was there after manafort left. He knows a lot. We dont know what was said in that side bar. It seems to suggest that the government wanted to keep it priva private, and it gave under the circumstances one of the first hints that hes not finished with his work for the government after this Manafort Trial but the next phase of this, the phase weve been waiting for, the question of collusion, muellers not finished with that and gates may be an important source of information on that question. Gates may be an important source of information. The president could be very important. Its now been eight months of back and forth about whether the president will sit for this interview. Rudy giuliani had dinner with the president last night. You can imagine that the two spoke about this. Whats your read on where this goes . At some point youve just got to say its going to happen or its not . Absolutely. My personal opinion is this is all theatrics. The implication that the president wants to sit down with mueller and his team but the only Thing Holding him back is his attorneys. I dont think they ever had any intention of having trump sit down. We know he has a very unique relationship with the truth. Hes not going to be able to tell the whole truth and accurate truth in a conversation. Hes just not going to. I likely think if mueller really wants to talk to trump, this will get to a subpoena. He will take it all the way up to the Supreme Court . Absolutely. If he really needs the testimony, he will. I think the law is on his side. You have the nixon precedent. It was different because it was documents. It was an 80 verdict. Nobody is above the law. I think clearly you could take from that that the Supreme Wort Cou would rule he has to sit. What he said about president s can be tried whether or not theyre in office. For another day. Thank you very much. Still to come, the nfl is back. Preseason games took place last night. The protests are also back. Players taking knees or staying in the locker room during the National Anthem. The president weighing in on all of it this morning. Charlotteville, Virginia On High alert. The entire state this weekend as they prepare for the one year mark since the deadly protests. From any one else. Why accept it from your Allergy Pills . Flonase sensimist relieves all your worst symptoms, including nasal congestion, which most pills dont. And all from a gentle mist you can barely feel. Flonase sensimist. Something important. Its not going to be easy. Quicksilver earns you unlimited 1. 5 cash back on every purchase, everywhere. Actually, thats super easy. My bad. So we know how to cover almost weve anything. St everything even vengeful vermin. Not so cute when theyre angry. And we covered it. Talk to farmers. We know a thing or two because weve seen a thing or two. We are farmers. Bumpadum, bumbumbumbum
the morning after numerous players knelt or raised fists, the president is attacking them and attacking what he calls their outrage and questioning whether they can define what they are doing that for. The president warned in a tweet they should stand or be suspended without pay. Thats not the regulation of the nfl. Lets go to our sports reporter. Andy, many people thought this would happen during the games as they kicked off last night. Walk us through what happened. The nfl didnt have a rule. Then they tried to put a rule in place and now once again they dont have a rule. The nfl released a statement saying how they enforce their National Anthem policy was on hold while they continue to have discussions with the players on
how to handle this. In the meantime that means theres no punishment for players demonstrating during the anthem. Last night multiple players around the league did so before the first preseason game. That is dolphins Wide Receivers taking a knee before the game. Steel kneeled the past two seasons. He spoke about the decision to continue to do it after the game. Being a part of this protest hasnt been easy. I thought i was going to be by myself out there. I had an angel with me with albert being out there. Im grateful that he sees whats happening and he wants to stand up and do something about it as
well. Colin kaepernick said my brother continued his protest of systemic oppression tonight by taking a knee. Stay strong, brothers. Elsewhere around the league according to reports, four players raised their fist while several others remained in the locker room before taking the field. Now back in may the owners agreed to National Anthem policy where teams would be fined if players did not stand for the National Anthem. Then the teams would vi individually decide how to punish their own players. After outrage the league decided to put this policy on hold while they work it without the players union. Only jerry jones has said his players have to stand for the National Anthem. Stay with me. Let me jump over to abbey phillip. Walk us through his reaction in a little more detail this
morning. Reporter the president tweeting saying the players are unable to define what they are outraged about and demanding they stand proudly for the National Anthem or be suspended without pay. This is the president of the United States, not the owner of an nfl team. For a year now, President Trump has been hammering on this issue. Day by day. Every opportunity he gets to bring up this issue because it plays well with his base. Its coming at a problematic time for the president. Were at the one Year Anniversary of the the charlottesville protest where White Supremist got himself in some trouble about his inability to address what was wrong with the protesters. President trump is going into another weekend, the one year
anniversary stoking racial divisions in this country and raising a lot of questions about whether or not this is just politically motivated or if he has any interest in addressing some of these racial divides that these protests are these players are protesting about. Thats right. At the same time that he just had this round table yesterday on criminal Justice Reform and the prison population, so many more africanamericans, five times than white vinj viindivid. We are having action but have some rhetoric match that. Nice so have you both here. What struck me from what the president said is this line. Numerous players from different teams wanted to show their, quote, he puts quote around
outrage as if theyre not. As something most of them is unable to define. That something is social justice. Thats something i, as a white woman, in this country hasnt had to live through and deal with. This is coming from a white man, a white president saying these players, africanamericans dont get it. On the anniversary of Michael Browns murder. Yesterday marked four years since Michael Brown which was another flash point. Trayvon, another flash point. To say they cant define it when were living in these Horrific Moments Of Black Boys and men being shot by state, by dying. The fact that they are on the field taking a knee and standing and saying that here they go again. Its here he goes again. We werent surprised there was going to be some backlash. It seemed particularly poignant how out of touch he is with what
plaque pl black players are feeling. When she said hes in trouble. I dont think he is. Trump is acutely aware of how to play into, to exploit white panic and pathology to his advantage. Theres no repuercussions on hi side. The Wall Street Journal reporting when jerry jones, who has mandated the players stand, when he was deposed in matter, he said in this deposition that President Trump told him on a phone call at one point talking ant the kneeling that this issue quote, the president said this one lifts me. Meaning he believes this is good for him politically. Absolutely. We can see that when he came down the stairs and talked about mexicans being rapists, he let us know what his core values were. Not really his core values, his
core strategy. Theres a political strategy in stoking the base in this very particular way. White panic, white pathology and its been proven that he doesnt get any backlash from it. A week later, he can be after charlottesville, he was talking about the nfl. To you and the nfl, the president said be subject to suspension and no pay. That is not what the nfl is doing. They have totally, i think its a fact to say that bungled this one with the policy and then no policy. Where does it stand . You said it right. They had no policy. They came up with a policy and then there was outrage. Right now they say they are having discussions. The owners are in a tougher spot. They dont want to alienate
their players and infringe on their freedom of speech. On the other hand is they have sponsors. Sponsors dont like divisive things in the sport. Thats where the owners are right now. Jerry jones, when he had his state of the cowboys address before the season, he thought it was problematic that President Trump was involved in the situation and he wish it would go away. The owners were friends with President Trump. Its an interesting predicament for them. They have to deal with what he says and they cant alienate the players because those are the people they work with every day. Theres a lot of money on either side. Sdp thank you very much. Well talk a lot about charlottesville one year later with you in a little bit. This weekend a stark reminder about Race Relations in this country. Sunday marks the one years since the deadly protest in
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right protest in charlottesville that killed those two State Troopers and this woman. It will also see a large gathering of white supremacist in the Nations Capital who will march for the same abhorrent reason that they marched for on the day heather was murdered. Tensions so high the entire state of virginia is under a state of emergency. Lets talk about what is ahead and where we have come in a year. To you both, heathers mother spoke so eloquently about why her daughter would not die in vain. She said if i think if we dont focus on fixing the issues that cause this in the first place, the rational divide in our country, then we will be right back at charlottesville in no time flat. Where have we come in a year . Sadly, we have not come nearly as far as we should have. The governor after virginia has declared a state of emergency. In the year since charlottesville and the Unite The Right rally, in that year the president of the United States has yet to declare a state of concern about racial hate crimes or hate crimes in this country and the rising tide of racism in the country. Hes not spoken to the fact that the Hate Crime Rate has risen the last four years straight. Its up in our largest cities. Hes not used the office to speak to the moral urgency of this moment. Hes exacerbated this. Using the nfl protest to divide the country for his political advantage. We have not come nearly as far
as we should have and the president has not lead us. Lets remember what much of this protest was about. A lot of it stemmed from hatred. A lot of it steamed from monuments, confederate monuments and what they stand for. I will never forget the speech that Mitch Landreau gave this. Lets remind every one of that and play it. Instead of these monuments from the perspective of an africanamerican mother or father trying to explain to their Fifth Grade Daughter why robert e. Lee sat atop of our ci city, can you do it . Can you do it . Can you look into the eyes of this young girl and convince her that robert e. Lee is there to encourage her . Remiepds reminded me of some
beautiful you wrote a year ago. You say i remember when i first learned i was black or i will never forget the first time someone else learned i was black. Those images of Seeing Sw Swastikas next to an American Flag is so st