Transcripts For CNNW CNN Newsroom With Poppy Harlow 20160625

CNNW CNN Newsroom With Poppy Harlow June 25, 2016

Regretices, if you will. An online petition with more than 2 million signatures now calling for a second referendum on eu membership. This, as Political Parties and other european nations drop hints about possibly following britains lead. The brexit fallout creating global upheaval with serious concerns about the World Economy, and safety, from tear every threats. Want to go to reporters out in the field. First Senior International correspondent in london, and International Correspondent in scotland. So first of all, give us a sense of the mood today. I mean, the fallout over this historic, historic exit . Reporter someone rather memorably described it to me you suzanne, at the nation waking up with a hangover friday morning. You had the euphoria, the unexpectedness of this and even many of those who voted to leave are now saying, well, actually, we didnt realize what it would entail. Didnt actually believe that ramifications of this would be as drastic, and, in fact, one newspaper here in the u kuchlt, the daily mail put up an article saying this is what brexit means. A slew of hundreds of comments under this article saying, done explain it this well before. I dont want to do this. I dont want to i want doover. Then leaden politicians who were visibly part of the leave campaign, the former defense minister liam fox saying now is the time for National Reflection, and what were hearing from the European Union is, no, its not. The time for National Reflection was before you chose to split with the eu. The issue here, of course, is that the treaty that founded the eu, the lisbon treaty, was worded in a way that meant to make it as difficult as possible to leave. So article 50 is incredibly, incredibly complicated. Even if britain wasnt suffering from a sense of national remorse, it would still be very complicated, and could take at least two years, and youve already seen the turmoil this has brought on the Stock Exchange in the u. S. And around the world. The expectation is that there is more still to come unfortunately. Suzanne . David, youre in scotland which voted overwhelmingly to remain with the eu and now were hearing its leader is saying its likely going to seem independence from the uk. Give us a sense what is next . They tried to split from the uk before. It actually failed. Is it more likely now to suck sued . Succeed . Reporter there is a general sense on the street here, suzanne that people are both angry and also feel that they want their democratic rights respected, and that certainly is the perspective of the government. The first minister, Nicola Sturgeon saying scotlands voice needs to be heard. They overwhelmingly voted to stay in the European Union in scotland by more than 24 . So they say they shouldnt be dragged along with england out of the eu. And i spoke to some people here on the streets of edinboro. We dont want a split from the union. We have no choice. So im not being biased here. Its all in good english. Im worried because i just heard that my grandson wanted to travel to wales and talked to people that travel to wales. Reporter a lot of fear and also as was said, a lot of confusion about what comes next, because its unclear whether even a referendum here in scotland to become independent would automatically mean theyd join the European Union and certainly, suzanne, that was the threat last time around there was a referendum. That if they broke away they would have to go through the same process of anyone else. But the game has changed here. So there is a sense that maybe this could be a part to play. Theyre also asking to directly meet with European Union diplomats in edinboro in the next few days to try to hash out some kind of plan, perhaps, for scotland to remain in the eu, but it could mean the United Kingdom as a whole breaking up. Certainly a lot to hash out there. Thank you so much. Appreciate it. Britains decision to leave the European Union is igniting new security concerns, of course, across the atlantic, at americas closest ally britain provides crucial information 20 u. S. Intelligence agencies about the inner workings of the eu. That information pipeline is going to be lost once britain leaves. I want to talk that over with our Global Affairs analyst kim dozier, a daily beast contributing writer. Kim, thanks for being with us. I know this is really your expertise, and first of all, tell us, what is the number one security concern that they have now that theyre going to see that the exit will actually happen, even if it happens over the course of two years . An eventual lack of big data is one of the things that two of the top british former intelligence chiefs of mr. I5 and mi6 complained in the runup to this brexit vote. They syd right now the European Union shares a lot of big data on the passage of refugees, criminal networks, and that the u. S. And the uk, well, at least the uk is able to crunch that, and then possibly share any pertinent information. Or at the very least, because it does get sticky with, you cant pass on always information that you get from one ally to another ally, but at least the u. S. Knew that they had somebody that they could count on who had access to this information about what was going on within europes borders, and was keeping an eye on it. Uhhuh. And, kim, you know, i covered president bush for many years and attended many eu conferences as im sure you did as well. One of the things that former president bub did, he was pushing for the Eastern European countries to join the eu, provide that economic and National Security toy those countries but also acted add a buffer, if you will, to russias power, and i am i soupi assumin might be compromised with russias president Vladimir Putin praising what has happened now and potentially in a position to take a more aggressive stance in europe now that one of our key a allies is gone . Absolutely. Britain was one of the sort of few strong nations within the european urine yin that could stiffen the spine of some of those Eastern European nations as they were billionied by their next door neighbor russia. Weve seen an upsurge in some of that bullying behavior in the form of propaganda, rhetoric that gets pumped in from next door. So the worry is that not right away, but eventually, the eu will bow to some of russias demands. Such as lifting some of the sanctions against russia that have been imposed over its invafrgs ukraine. Some worry that the uks decision to leave is going to driger a domino effect that weve already started to see moves from other countries that france might decide that its going to ditch the eu. That youre going to have a whole kind of host of changes in the area as well. Perhaps spain taking back jer brought ta, and a union if you will of ireland. Ho do you see it playing out . I have actually spoken to european diplomats quite concerned about this saying even if a place like france doesnt vote to leave the European Union, just having the vote itself will break open this divide between those who want to be part of the eu and those who are tired of having immigrants come in from the outside. It means that across the European Union, theyll be busy dealing with this subject as opposed to dealing with things like lew to fix the economy. What you do with the refugee influx that youve got coming your way, and how to deal with the terrorist threat from isis. Kim, as always, excellent analysis. Really appreciate it. Thank you, kim dozier. I want to bring in juliette cayenne, former Homeland Security assistant secretary. Youre here, and i want to play for the audience, the idea a brexit victory will somehow lower the Terror Threat or lessen the refugee crisis is madness. It will open a new host of questions in ow intelligence and safety efforts coordinate. So when you look at this, why do you think thats the case . I mean, what are you so concerned about when it comes to security . Well, you know, just because britain says its going to leave the eu doesnt mean people wont be moving around. Well still have access to britain. So that the idea in the short term or even long term that the threat out there is going to be minimized is, as i say, madness, because most of immigration to britain is not of eu nationals. So the whole eu thing was just sort of a red herring. But on a more tactical level which kim was just addressing, there are, i cant even name them. There are hundreds of intelligence, Law Enforcement sort of mous and agreements, related to not just terrorism, but transnational threats, monetary investigations. You know, across the board that are essentially going to have to be renegotiated. And its not that it cant be done. Its just in the middle of a, of a heightened threat level, is that exactly how you want to spend your time. Juliette, what do you think will be the direction here . You talk about a lot of people were worried about the immigration, the influx of many migrants. How is it going to disrupt things and perhaps cripple the country . Well, so i actually think there is the brexit that everyone voted for, and then theres the brexit that people are going to realize is unsustainable. And that, you know, in my field, i dont do the economic side. I do the National Security side. So one thing is the british nationals are going to soon realize that that easy access they had on travel, not just in europe, but with the United States, because, remember, we have agreements with the eu in terms of travel, is if brussels is going to play hardball, is going to end. So just on every single level theres going to be an impact for the average brit, and so i think they will begin to interpret brexit, depending how it unfolds in the next couple of years differently than maybe what they voted for. But i want to, you know, just remind people. The eu was not about monetary stability. It began as a security and stability enterprise after not just two world wars, but thousands of years of european fighting. It has been a good experiment, and so those of us in National Security are a little bit nervous about what is going on, not just because of the tactical issues i was just talking about but because of what the eu meant for stability. It doesnt mean world peace. It just means stability. Sure. A lot of side bar conversations that the president s had with other world leaders. That mostly does deal with security as well as economics, which a lot of people are not, are not really talking about all that much. Youll yet kayyep, appreciate your perspective. Ahead in the newsroom, deadly weather. Dangers floodwaters claiming the lives of at least 23 people in West Virginia. Out west, hot, windy conditions fueling fastmoving wildfires. What are the residents thinking, and what can they expect in the hours and the days to come . Plus, as brexit tops headlines, donald trump is defending his trip to scotland to promote his golf courses. Were going to take you there live, and later, power of the press. Will british tabloids, theyre now known for eyecatching headlines, always have, but could they actually have impacted the outcome of the uk vote . Well discuss that as well. Youre live in the cnn newsroom. 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Rivers are out of their banks, washed away homes and cars, and people inside them. 44 counties now under a state of emergency this weekend with the National Guard troops, police, pulling people to safety. Getting medicine to those who need it and sadly, still finding the bodies of people overwhelmed by this rising water. Our own nick valencia is staying on top of this from the West Virginia area. And nick, i understand theyre pulling out all the stops but it is breaks records and hearts. Reporter devastating, heartbreaking. All of these things. Earlier, louisiana, and houston hard hit. This seems to be the worst of it all. Nine inches in the worst hit parts of West Virginia. Rivers swelled to as high as 33 feet. Rescuers called to the scene to whats being called a 1 in 1,000 year event. For the last two days, West Virginia is pounded by heavy thunderstorms and massive flooding. Dad, watch out. Reporter this house exploded into flames and floated down the river. This family picked through the smoldering remains of what was once their home. I cant get the the memories out of my head. Reporter eyepopping currents ravaged the Mountain State leaving at least 26 dead by saturday morning. A day before, this 4yearold was playing behind his home when washed away by rapid floodwaters. His body was recovered from a nearpie creek. Its been horrific. A nightmare. I mean, no words can explain. Reporter its being called a 1,000year flood. High terrain along the rivers in the southeastern part of the state is only making problems worse. Whrchlts. When you add nine inches of rain over just a short period of time in the mountains it causes waters to come up very rapidly. Reporter the rising waters took out bridges and broke barges loose. The older people thats worked all of their life for what they got and then just one day its all gone. Reporter hundreds of First Responders including 200 National Guardsmen have been deployed to help families like this they said the last thing they knew of her, was somebody threw her a rope, and then they never heard her anymore. Reporter someone from the department of Emergency Management saying 300 water rescues 150 currently going on. Not the only problem. Electricity problems. 32,000 still without power. The death toll went down . That number we just got in. 26 people. Its now at 23. A little correction there from the department of Emergency Management. 23 people. Devastating. Thank you, nick. The opposite problem out west. Several wildfires are blazing out of control. This is across parts of arizona, new mexico and southern california. This is curran county where emergency crews are trying to contain a fastmoving fire already scorched more than 30,000 acres, and 100 buildings. At least two people confirmed dead from this fire. I want to bring in our Severe Weather center and following twin disasters. Wildfires out west and the devastating flooding in West Virginia. Suzanne, two reasons why this flooding event was such a disaster. Number one, the amount of rain that came down. But the second is the topography of this area. That played a huge role in this flooding event. First, you have all the rain that came down from the sky and fell into these valley communities. Then you had all of the rain that fell on top of the Appalachian Mountains that surround it, that then flowed down into those very same valley towns. Essentially, giving them double the amount of rain. And it was a lot of rain out there. Take a look at some of these rainfall totals. In West Virginia, picking up over nine inches and if that town sounds familiar, where the famous pga golf course greenbrier is located and its expected to start in just two weeks from now. A Wider Perspective of all the rain. Again, heres charleston, West Virginia for a reference point. Once you go east of that city, thats where really the bulk of the rain was located. Many areas picks up well over half a foot of rain in 36 hours. Areas that would like to see the rain would be the southwest, where theyre battling multiple fires right now. The one just north of los angeles burning 30,000 acres, only 5 contained, and weather is not helping that out. Same thing in arizona. The only good news is the fire in new mexico will actually get a little help from the weather in the coming days. All right. Thank you. We are live in the cnn newsroom. President obama on the campaign trail throwing verbal punches against the gop. Youll hear what he said about the republicans attempts to block gun control legislation. Dont tour paris. And please, dont do paris. Live in paris. Airbnb a loft in south pigalle, or a flat in the fourth. Read a book. Make your bed. 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