Tries to get back on message. He is doing that by attacking Hillary Clinton. Unstable Hillary Clinton, and you saw that. You saw that where she basically shortscircuited the people of this country. They dont want somebody thats going to shortcircuit up here. Not as your president. Remember, isis is looking, folks. This stuff is so amazing. It amazes me actually. Honestly, i dont think shes all there. There is one republican, though, who trump has not won over. That is Ohio Governor john kasich. The former president ial hopeful sent shockwaves through his party when he skipped the convention in his own state. He sat down with our jake tapper to speak about why he did that, what it might take to get him on board with trump. Paul manafort said you were embarrassing your state of ohio when you skipped the convention in cleveland. You talked about the pressure you felt, people telling you you needed to go. You needed to endorse. Were there back channel efforts to get you to come to the convention . And who put and who put the pressure on you . No, no, people would call who were longtime friends of mine and say you need to do this. You need to support the party. And secondly, dont give the impression that youre a clinton supporter. Thats just kind of this thing. Let me be clear. Im not, okay . I see four years of gridlock with her. Total gridlock and meltdown in economics. What do you see i see gridlock there, too. Were you surprised when donald trump declined to endorse speaker ryan, senator mccain and senator ayotte . I thought it was a little bizarre. Your nominee for president , the republican president ial nominee said hes not a hero. He prefers people who werent captured. I think john mccain is a hero. Heres the thing, all throughout this, anybody can say, okay, you know, trump said this. You say that. Why dont you slug him over the head . My actions have spoken louder than any words. Your refusal to endorse him . Yeah. And think about this. I want to know when anybody had a convention in their state when they were the governor who didnt go in the convention hall. I mean, some people really furious with me about that. But i did what i thought i needed to do. And i never went in that hall to promote myself. I wanted believe it or not, i wanted to show respect to the nominee. And my going up there and disrupting the deal was not what i intended to do. Can trump win ohio . Hes going to win parts of ohio where people are really hurting. There will be sections hell win because people are angry, frustrated and havent heard any answers but i still think its difficult if you are dividing to be able to win in ohio. Lets talk about what we just heard and what this means for the race for the white house. With me jennifer granholm, former governor of michigan and Senior Adviser for correct the record, the only super pac connected with Hillary Clinton. And kurt ellis. Ohio is so, so, so, so important. I cant overstate it when it comes for republicans. No republican has ever taken the white house without taking ohio. Donald trump still cannot take kasich on board in that interview. You heard he doesnt sound like hes close to getting on board with trump. Does trump need kasich . If so, how does he get him . Im confident kasich will come around. Why . In that interview with in that interview he made clear hes not happy with Hillary Clinton. He said she is going to be more government, more spending. Worse performance for the economy. He said Bernie Sanders is driving the bus and shes just in the back seat. I think hes going to come around. I was at the rny wic with a lot people from ohio and they were frankly embarrassed he hadnt endorsed and wasnt there. Hes going to talk to the Republican Voters of ohio and realize the right thing to do is get on the trump train. He has 60 Approval Rating in ohio. He is very popular there. You are confident hes going to support your candidate . Oh, i think so. He said he is not happy with Hillary Clinton, and hes going to realize its a binary choice. If you dont have trump youll end up with hillary. He also took a pledge that he was going to support the nominee. So i think hell come around. Governor granholm, i want to play some of what Hillary Clintons running mate tim kaine said on meet the press about these persistent questions over her answers when it comes to her emails. But i know that this is something that she has learned from and were going to be real transparent absolutely. So heres the thing, though. When you look at what the American People think, new poll out last year, 66 of americans think that Hillary Clinton is willing to bend the rules. Its a tough number. Well, the polls that were out this morning also show that trump has an equal problem with credibility or more, in fact. He beats her by several points on that issue. Shes going to continue to work on that and continue to be transparent and continue to say that she apologizes for having had two emails can i just jump in. What does that mean shes going to continue to because she has been giving because you guys will continue to ask because its important. When youre talking about honesty and trustworthiness of a president ial candidate, it is important to the voters. And when she said she shortcircuited, no one knew what that meant. Well, i mean, i knew what she meant. She did not intend to send any emails that were marked classified. She takes it very seriously. She told that to the fbi, this is why the fbi did not prosecute her. They could not prove that she intended in any way to they called her extremely careless and comey said and shes apologized for that. The question is, poppy, there was a great article this morning by Nick Christophe in the New York Times where he compared Hillary Clinton and donald trump and deception. And he points out the objective Fact Checkers repeatedly demonstrate that he is far and away more dishonest than she is, by multiples, like 70 of the stuff they fact checked, he has been deceptive. So i understand people keep coming back to this one issue about emails which she has apologized for and which she was not prosecuted for by the fbi, and she will continue to apologize. And shell continue to say she respects and will make sure that classified information is not compromised when she is president. But in that answer, she gave Chris Wallace last sunday on fox, the Washington Post gave it four pinocchios and said she was not clear on that. So the American People are clearly not getting straightforward answers. Im not going to spend the entire time on this. Kucurtis curtis, when you dig into your polling numbers, lets tick through a few of them. 7 in 10 voters, including more than half of republicans disapprove of how trump handled the khan family, the parents of this fallen Muslim American soldier. More than half of voters dont think hes qualified to be president and more than half of voters dont think he has a good understanding of World Affairs compared to 70 who believe clinton does. How do you turn those numbers around . Theres plenty of survey research that shows 70 , 80 of American People think the system is rigged. What research . There was a recent poll by pat cadell and associates thats think the system is rigged, that ive got to stop you there because i have never seen that poll and we have a standard for ill send it to you. Please do. You just said 80 of americans think the system is rigged . They believe the insiders, the politicians are not working for the American People but have jiggered the system to work for their own benefit. The same politicians that have rigged the system are responsible for these trade deals that have sent jobs overseas. So with that kind of headwind its going to be difficult for a career politician like Hillary Clinton to gain the trust and can you explain to me and the emails are another example of that. This word rigged is a word thats been used a lot in this election, not just by donald trump. It has been used by Democratic Candidates as well. But what do you mean specifically when you say up to 80 of the American People think that the election system is rigged . Not the necessarily the election system. Lets talk about the political system. Theres one set of rules for the insiders and they are playing by a set of rules that benefit them and when they make policy decisions in washington, its ones that benefit their donors. The people who give money to the politicians, not decisions that are going to help the American People, the people on the outside. Are you saying trump shouldnt take any donor money . The division in this country between the insiders n outsiders and donald trump is an outside ehes getting his money from small contributions isnt he an insider now because hes a president ial candidate. He has not been on the inside like Hillary Clinton since the 1970s, 80s, in the white house in the 1990s. Governor granholm, i cant talk about that poll. I dont know what that poll is or if it meets our polling standards but i can speak to the issue at hand, this outsider newcomer status that has helped donald trump all the way through the primary. And you have Hillary Clinton very established politician, 25 years on the national stage. A lot of people think they know everything they need to know about her. Does that hurt her . No, i dont think well, i think people should know more about her because when they do find out, they will be comforted that she is out there battling for them. Its one of the reasons the poll you were discussing earlier shows 6 in 10 americans believe she has the right temperament and experience to be the president and 6 in 10 believe that donald trump does not. Its not to do with insider outsider but who do you trust to be able to fight for you. Donald trump has fought for himself this whole his entire life. And every step that hes taken in his businesses, his outsource, his manipulating the bankruptcy system to benefit and enrich himself on the backs of everyday citizens shows hes out for himself. Everything shes done in her life has been to fight for somebody who doesnt have a voice, whether it was with the Childrens Defense Fund or making sure schools are not segregated and making sure that people that children have health care. When she was first lady. 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Instead, former white house political director for Reagan Frank Lavin is now supporting democrat Hillary Clinton. In a new cnn op ed he writes the truth is that donald trump talks a great game but he is the emperor who wears no clothes. Trump falls short in terms of the character and behavior needed to perform as president. This defect is crippling and ensures he will fail. Frank lavin joins me now. Thanks, poppy. Can you tell me about the moment that you decided to walk away from your partys nominee and to embrace Hillary Clinton. Was it something trump said . Was it a policy proposal . What was it . Actually, there were two specific moments. What you just described, not voting for donald trump and deciding to vote for Hillary Clinton are really two related but separate decisions. The ffrts one was a little easier for me. And it came when donald trump called on a religious ban, a specific religious ban on muslims. That combined with his comments about mexico and mexicans, i just found distasteful and very inconsistent with the highest standards of the office of the presidency. I decided that this fellow is not fit for Public Office. But to your point, its a little longer journey for me as someone who has always been right of center and always comfortable, proud to support the republican nominee to vote for the democratic nominee. That was a longer journey for me. Correct me if im wrong. Youve never voted for a democrat. That is correct. I started voting in 76. Very happy to vote for republicans. Excited about the republican nomneys we ran. Youre an ohio native. I want to talk about your governor, john kasich. He just sat down for this fascinating interview with my colleague jake tapper. He spoke about the backlash he received. Lets listen. Who put the pressure on notice, people would call who are longtime friends of mine. You need to do this for yourself. You need to support the party. And secondly, dont give the impression thats youre a clinton supporter. Thats just kind of this thing. Well, let me be clear. Im not, okay . I see four years of gridlock with her. Total gridlock and meltdown in economics. So, first on that, how would you explain your decision to back clinton to your governor . Look, i respect Governors Point of view. Hes in a far more difficult position than i am in terms of visibility and currently Holding Public office. Its a very different decision for him than for me. I dont hold Public Office and have more flexibility. But im proud of him for his stand and it is clear to me that governor kasich finds donald trump to be distasteful. But do you think he should get on board . He made this argument, he said dont take me wrong. My support of trump is not my lack of support of trump is not my support of clinton. And he said that she would lead to an economic meltdown. Do you agree at all with his assessment of what a Clinton Presidency would do to the economy . Yeah, listen. Well have a range of views about Hillary Clinton. My most important issues are the international issues. Most of my lawyer has beife has Foreign Policy. Hillary clinton is far closer to the traditional republican approach to Foreign Policy of alliance relationships, International Engagement and so forth than donald trump is. So at least in those set of issues, im 100 comfortable supporting Hillary Clinton. So tell me this because you described it being really a long road to go from just not supporting trump to actually supporting Hillary Clinton. What concerns you about her . What scares you about her . What do you not like about her as a candidate . I had a major concern and she put that to rest in my mind. To go back to your earlier question. Youre always concerned about the ideological focus. And i think a successful president does have to govern from the center. You have to respect market economics. And it was the Democratic Convention and her selection of tim kaine as a running mate that reassured me her centrist impulse can dominate and that Bernie Sanders constituency is not going to be defining the clinton administration. So what do you mean . You think she might reverse, flipflop again on some of these trade deals like tpp . No, i take her at her word. I dont speak for the clinton administration. I am simply saying in the Bernie Sanders constituency you had a idology that was hostile to economic growth, hostile to business startup and entrepreneurial spirit and would be damaging to the u. S. Economy. And if you look at where