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Still unknown what this case could reveal about his political connections, and they include a british royal, a former president and the current one, President Trump, who once called epstein, quote, a terrific guy. We have Team Coverage this morning. Our anchor and National Correspondent erica hill is with me in new york and we are live outside of the courthouse. Shimon, you helped break the news this weekend. The arrest happened on saturday. It was planned for today. They wanted this guy behind bars and now we are seeing all of the charges. Yeah, and they are horrific. When you think about so many of these victims, whats alleged here, you cant imagine what they were going through at the time. And when you read this indictment, i think one of the things that really stands out to me, you have the charges, you have all of the different elements in terms of what the prosecutors are going to do to prove this case. The thing is the age of some of these victims, as young as 14, and that epstein knew, he knew their ages. And the other thing that prosecutors lay out in this indictment is that they describe that these victims were vulnerable to exploitation. They dont go into details about that t but they say that these were vulnerable girls, as young as 14, that he sought out and essentially abused. They say this was a trafficking conspiracy. That is part of one of the two counts that hes now facing. Hes facing up to 45 years in prison. The other thing significant here is that it appears the prosecutors have cooperators in this case, people who have worked for him, worked for epstein during this time. Theres at least three employees that they dont name, but they identify as employee one, two and three. They say two of them were assistants to him. And whats so significant here is that these employees were the ones that were scheduling when he would meet with these girls. They were flying them to florida, having the meetings in florida. Having meetings, these encounters, i should say, here in new york at his mansion. And then they list how it would start as a massage and then would essentially turn into sexual encounters. Really horrific details. And for the first time were seeing in Court Documents that these were employees. Employees that were working for him, that were helping to helping him go through this conspiracy. You know, shimon, you bring up these victims who werent allowed to be in court to hear any of these and now we see their day in justice possibly coming. Thank you very much. Again, epstein has a criminal past. Hes also had several political connections, big ones, including with President Trump, and former president bill clinton. Lets talk about the big picture with erica hill. Well get to the politics in just a moment. The victims, dozens and dozens of alleged victims, talking about how they were in dire straits and needed the money so much. I looked back at julie browns reporting and there was one line at the end of the piece, many of the girls were one step away from homelessness. We just wanted money for School Clothes and shoes. And whats laid out, too, in the indictment and we did see in julie browns and were seeing it in the indictment, is the way these young underage girls referred to in the indictment were recruited, and then they were sent out to recruit other young girls and bring them back. They were paid in cash for that. And as shimon pointed out, the way these encounters also escalated. And some of the girls saying in some of julie browns reporting, we should point out. The alleged victims talking about how they didnt know it was going to maybe go that way. Or they knew it wasnt right, but again, they were young and didnt get it. And it also points out in the indictment that they believe, prosecutors believe he did know their ages and what was going on, because some of these victims who were in here were asked specifically about their age and they said they didnt lie. Lets talk about the powerful people in politics that were friends, including president bill clinton, which i think records show flew on his jet several times. President trump is quoted with glowing words about him back in 2002. Nasin fact. In 2002 he talked about him to new york magazine, he said hes a terrific guy, hes a lot of fun to be with. Its even said that he likes beautiful women as much as i do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it, jeffrey enjoys his social light. Obviously thats seen in a far different light today. But there is a connection here. You mentioned former president clinton flying on his plane, being on his private island. President trump reportedly on his plane. And at one point ep teen was a member of maralago and had been there but was barred at one point. He was accused of sexually assaulting an underage girl there. I would be remiss not to bring up with you, the current labor secretary Alexander Acosta who is very tied to this because he was a part of securing the sweet plea deal for epstein back in 2008 that got him very little jail time, charged with prostitution, not sex trafficking, and, by the way, that none of the victims knew about. No. They didnt. So a couple of points there. Number one, youre right. Alexander acosta at the time was the u. S. Attorney for the Southern District so he had to oversee this deal. He to say okay with the team of attorneys. At the time he said they lacked the evidence to prove that he had violated federal lieu. Theres been a lot of pushback on that since. Well, the doj is investigating how the case was handle. We should also point out that in february a federal judge said this deal broke the law because the victims didnt know about it. The terms of this deal, which its been said multiple times were basically dictated by epsteins attorneys, powerful attorneys, they didnt know about it. The deal was kept quiet and kept apart from the victims until a judge signed off on it. You cant do that. That broke the law. Great reporting. Obviously well be on this all day because hes going to be in court later this morning. Lets talk about where this goes. Former federal prosecutor is here. You are such a good voice for this because you have actually prosecuted sex trafficking cases before. One thing that shimon said outside the courthouse moments ago that struck me, is that what may be different this time than the plea deal in 2008 if this goes to trial, is that they have three cooperators and those are apparently some of the employees that arranged the travel of the underage girls to be with epstein. How significant is that . Well, its important. I mean, frankly, i think the case is going to rise and fall for the Southern District of new york on the testimony of those cooperators. These cases are very difficult to investigate. Theyre very difficult to prosecute. Often minors who are abused have difficulty coming forward and testifying. They have difficulty, you know, essentially going through and doing what they would need to do to be a witness in a case. So really here the testimony of those cooperators has to be strong in order for the Southern District to make its case in court. And what i think this indictment tells us is that the Southern District believes that they have testimony that can back these charges up. When you look at the deal that was struck, that raised so many questions that the victims didnt know about, what do you think the questions are going to be now, not only for Alexander Acosta, the labor secretary who was a big part of this, but the judge who signed off on it . Yeah, i have to say there are very significant questions about mr. Acostas acts there. Really, there has to be something very significant behindthescenes that caused that series of events. Theres clearly misconduct by not informing victims. It appears at some point there were misrepresentations that were made to the court. Very serious misconduct by Justice Department attorneys. Particularly in cases like this, when i did investigate sex trafficking cases, those victims are counting on you as a prosecutor. They have a right to have access to you and they are counting on you to prosecute and act fairly. And it is interesting that the federal prosecutors working on this that are going to hold this press conference in a little under an hour, are from the Southern District of new yorks public corruption unit. What does that tell you . It could be a coincidence, it could be they just have time on their plates. But it also could mean that theres some tie to this case, either from the angle you just talked about or another, theres on potential obstruction provision. Perhaps there is a public official that could that is at least involved in this case and could become involved. All really important questions to be answered. Thank you so much. Also this morning as more images and reports come out of inhumane conditions at the migrant facilities along the southern border, the president says he now wants the media to go inside and see for themselves. Kaitlyn joins us from the white house. Good morning to you. Kaitlyn, the president says he wants this, but theres a big difference between saying that and the facilities actually letting in journalists with cameras unannounced. So far theyve been hesitant, not wanting lawmakers to bring their phones into the facilities. So whether or not that invitation is going to go forward is still an open question. But so far the president and his aides have been downplaying the reports about these conditions at the border. Heres what the president said when he was on his way back to the white house yesterday. Im going to start showing some of these Detention Centers to the press. Theyre crowded and were the ones who are complaining about theyre crowded. So the president there going after not only some of those democratic lawmakers who have been reporting what they saw when theyve toured these facilities. We should note its not just one singular report detailing these conditions that they say are widespread at these facilities. Overcrowding and standing room only. People going without hot meals. Its coming from a report from the president s own government and a very specific report in the New York Times that came out yesterday and people should read. And natasha, youre there and you spoke to a rep who says Border Patrol agents have been trying for some time to bring these conditions to light. Thats right, poppy. We were talking to representative mary gone squall es. She represents the area where the facility is. She says that local leaders like herself and the community did not even know that unaccompanied children were being processed through that facility until news reports came out in the last month or so about the conditions inside. She said that some of these Border Patrol agents who live in this community who have known her for a long time, they have been telling her about how demoralizing and sdpresing it is to work in the conditions because of what they are seeing day to day with the migrants. Theyve also told her about how hundreds of children at one point were being processed through that facility in a space thats really not designed for that many kids and being held there for longer than they should be there, with limited shower and shower facilities to wash up, limited microwaves to heat food to feed them. Heres what she had to say about her conversations with these agents. A lot of the people i talked to who worked there were saying we have been telling higherups theres a problem. And basically those pleas have been ignored. A lot of the people who i talked to have been in the Border Patrol for decades, 23 years, 24 years. This is something very new to them. They were never charged with being care takers of children. At the end of the day we have to realize that my community is struggling with an administrationmade problem. And gonzalez did say that she got to visit inside the clint facility last week when there were far fewer children. Many of them have now been processed out. We did also hear from the sector chief of the el paso region who said now in this region they have only 26 children in custody. He disputes the reports of the inhumane conditions inside, but he does acknowledge its very possible agents have been complaining about conditions and overcrowding in the past. He says theyve all been complaining that there are just too many children and not enough resources to process them through. Thank you so much for the reporting, for talking to her. We appreciate it. Still to come, the department of justice is taking a new strategy as it pushes to try to get a Citizenship Question on the upcoming census. Plus new fighting words within the democratic party. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi takes on congresswoman alexandria ocasciocortez, and later the u. S. Women are heading home with another world cup title and ready to take on a bigger battle, equal pay. That karl brought his karaoke machine . 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And weve learned that the political appointee who led the initial team of lawyers did in fact think that it made sense to get a new team of lawyers on board, because theyre really doing an aboutface here and its a flipflop that seems to have been forced by the president. Remember, it was less than a week ago that this fight seemed to be over. Lawyers from the dojs federal Programs Branch told the challengers to the Citizenship Question that the census was going to print without the controversial question. And then those lawyers told a judge that the division was final, but then of course we saw that flurry of tweets from the president and he insisted that he would push his administration to find a way to add this question. Now, doj lawyers admitted just last week to a maryland judge in a hearing on wednesday that they were really blindsided by the president s tweets. Especially since the doj has been insisting all along that a july 1st deadline to print the census was the absolute drop dead deadline. And now all indications that the doj is continuing to press forward to find a rationale to add this question. The Supreme Court said when they made the ruling that if the Justice Department and the Census Bureau went back and provided some sort of ration this question could be added. But really it seems administration is running out of time. Theyve already gone past their july 1st deadline and now they could continue to push it forward. Who knows if they would scene have time to add it. And to your point, not to mention, if they come up with a completely new rationale and reasoning, what will that mean for wilbur ross testimony when he talked about the rationale, et cetera. I guess if they win on this, are they going to put an insert in the census for everyone . How would this play out . Logistically thats sort of the big question here. The census we know from doj officials, it has gone to print without that question, but could the administration somehow add on a Citizenship Question by maybe adding supplemental pages, supplemental questionnaires . You know, the president has floated the idea even of an executive order to mandate that this question be added. But all of these options, poppy, theyre sure to face these continued legal fights. Were already seeing it on two front in federal courts in new york and maryland here. And of course were running out of time because were less than six months away from 2020 and the census needs to get out. Jessica schneider thank you so much. Ahead for us new attacks on Nancy Pelosi Nancy pelosis leader style. The speaker went out in the latest new school, old new battle . D winning interface. Award winning design. Award winning engine. The volvo xc90. The most awarded luxury suv of the century. Like. 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