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CNNW CNN Newsroom With Poppy Harlow And Jim Sciutto January 22, 2020

Both sides to file any new motions that they want to. Then theres another deadline at 11 00 a. M. For each side to respond and basically rebuttal whatever motions the other side presented at 9 00 a. M. Then this trial kicks off again at 1 00 today with the chief justice presiding over the chamber of the senate. And what i will tell you is we can expect to see the house managers making their official opening arguments. Basically making the case for why the president deserves to be impeached. You saw them making that case over yesterday as they were trying to convince republican members to vote for some of those changes to mcconnells resolution. Those all failed along party lines. Susan collins crossed the line for one of them, but it wasnt enough to actually make any substantial changes to mcconnells resolution. However, during the republican lunch yesterday, there were some fireworks. Many republicans made the case to the leadership that they needed to give each side more days to make their case. Remember, each side still has 24 hours, but now that case will be made over three days instead of two. That means eighthour sessions instead of 12hour sessions. After the marathon night last night, you can guarantee that senators are feeling a little bit relief over that. Poppy . All right, lauren. Big day ahead. Well see what it brings. This morning, the president 4,000 miles away as we said in davos, switzerland. Very much on his mind is this trial. Joining us now, john harwood live from the white house. The president was asked if hed like to see his former National Security secretary john bolton testify. Yes, but tell us how he answered. Well, yes, but is a consistent pattern for this president. Remember, we saw that with the Robert Mueller case. He said, oh, yes, id love to sit with mueller, but somehow it never worked out. Id love to go to the trial. Thats not likely to work out either. And he said the same thing with john bolton. It would be great if he could talk, but it wouldnt be proper. John, welcome to cnn. Havent had you on the air with us. So thrilled to have you. Admired you for years. Before you go, the president talked about his relationship or nonrelationship, i guess if you asked the president with lev parnas. Thats right. And lev parnas, of course, is somebody who would work closely with Rudy Giuliani. The president discredited him, but, of course, that in turn raises the question of, why was he working so closely with Rudy Giuliani . Take a listen. Lev parnas has come forward and said you know everything he was doing. Hes a con man. Let me answer that one. I dont know him. Other than hes sort of like a groupie. He shows up at fundraisers, okay . I dont know anything about him. Again, why is a con man, as the president described him, working with the president s personal lawyer . What were going to see play out, of course, the rest of the week is this actuatugofwar. Democrats tugging back toward more exposure and the reason for that, guys, is that about 40 of the country hasnt closely tuned in to this process. Theyre not assiduous cable watchers. They think with the lights up right now they have a chance to reach more people. Whether they can convict the president in the senate, which is highly unlikely, they think they can change some minds about this case. Well see, john harwood, thanks for the reporting from the white house. With us now is michael gerhardt, unc law professor. Michael, its interesting. After all this talk and focus on whether there will be enough votes to call witnesses, that may come at a later date. Still a question about witnesses. But cnns reporting is that Mitch Mcconnell is arguing behind the scenes that, wait, we cant call witnesses. This would undermine the senates role. It poses a whole host of constitutional issues. Is that accurate . That is completely inaccurate. In the history of this country, the senate has always understood its power to try impeachments. The constitution says the senate has the sole power to try all impeachments. So all means all, i think. In this case, that would mean not shutting things down as senator mcconnell seems to think he should do but taking what the house is doing and doing more factfinding and hold a trial of sorts and see what they find out. And it may cut one way. May cut another, but take evidence. Its an odd argument to say just because were this body that you are going to risk everything if you seek to get more information. Which is essentially what hes saying. The president addressed john bolton and how he feels about bolton being a possible witness at this press conference. Lets listen to that for a minute. I would rather go the long way. I would rather interview bolton. I would rather interview a lot of people. The problem with john is that its a National Security problem. If you think about it, john, he knows some of my thoughts. He knows what i think about leaders. What happens if he reveals what i think about a certain leader and its not very positive and that i have to deal on behalf of the country. Its going to be very hard. Its going to make the job very hard. He knows other things. And i dont know if we left on the best of terms. I would say probably not. He just said john bolton knows a lot. And my question for you is, what can and cant bolton say . Bolton can talk about the issues that relate to this trial. Its just that simple. Theres no privilege that exists under our constitution that prevents bolton from talking about things that relate to criminal behavior or abuse of power. No privilege protects the disclosure of those things or the investigation of it. When the president says, well, there are things bolton would talk about that might embarrass me. Thats not what john bolton is going to talk about. What hes going to talk about is what happened in ukraine and how closely did the president comply with the law. The other trope of this has been that Senate Republicans wanted to stick to the clinton mod model, right . You already have differences, for instance, trumps team can raise an objection to the admission of particular evidence, although they did allow the evidence to be entered into the record. Not true in the clinton case, the clinton trials it did not specify a maximum number of days. This is three days max. Big picture, what are the substantive differences between the way the clinton model worked and the way this one is starting to work . The clinton model started as a bipartisan effort. There was 1000 vote in the trial of president clinton. 1000 vote on the basic rules. This starts with a partisan split. Thats one critical difference. But i think the second thing is, in the clinton case, i think all the senators were interested in really reading the evidence and thinking about the evidence and considering to what extent did it rise to the level did it show the president committed an Impeachable Offense . To what extent did the misconduct rise to an Impeachable Offense . The concern is that the republicans seem to be wanting to shut this down. And the democrats, whatever one thinks about them, are talking about the evidence. If republicans have difference of opinion, they can express it. The concern is if the senators do shut this down, then zee to think about what precedent does that set or signal does it send to future president s. Thats a very dangerous precedent. The most important thing youre looking for today as the Opening Statements begin. An engagement with the evidence. A real serious look at the evidence. First in terms of the facts and then in terms of the law that applies. Do these facts show the president committed misconduct that rises to the level of an Impeachable Offense. Michael, thanks very much. New overnight, the office of management and budget released hundreds of pages of emails and documents that weve never seen before. Theyre all related to the impeachment case against the President Trump. What they say, thats ahead. And what in the world does the world petty fogging mean . Chief Justice Roberts reintroduced it, scolding both sides after hours in a fiery debate. I think it is appropriate at this point for me to admonish both the house managers and the president s counsel. Thing, so we know how to cover almost anything. Even a gold medal grizzly. sports announcer what an unlikely field in this final heat. Hang on. Youre about to see history in the making. burke not exactly a skinny dipper, but we covered it. At farmers, we know a thing or two because weve seen a thing or two. We are farmers. 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Weve just learned from manu raju on the hill, the president s defense team is not expected today to make a motion to seek dismissal of the case. This is according to sources familiar with the president s teams plans. Democrats also not expected to make any motions today. May indicate that mcconnell is counting the votes and knows he doesnt have the votes to dismiss. Certainly, an extraordinary moment in the impeachment trial played out just after midnight when chief Justice John Roberts scolded the Democratic House managers and the president s defense team. That moment took place just after a Contentious Exchange between house judiciary chairman jerry nadler and white House Counsel pat cipollone. Joining us now to discuss, cnns Supreme Court analyst joan beskupic. Shes the author of a book on chief Justice John Roberts. Lets listen to that moment for folks that werent awake when it hand, and we want to get your thoughts. Mr. Nadler, you owe an apology to the president of the United States and his family. You owe an apology to the senate. The president claims monarchical powers and then acts on that. Defies the law in a dozen Different Directions all the time, and lies about it, all the time. And sends mr. Cipollone to lie about it. I think it is appropriate at this point to admonish both the house managers and the president s counsel in equal terms to remember that they are addressing the worlds greatest deliberative body. In the 1905 swain trial, a senator objected when one of the managers used the word pettifogging. And the presiding officer said the word ought not to have been used. I dont think we need to aspire to that high a standard, but i do think those addressing the senate should remember where they are. Joan, aside from reinserting pettyf t pettifogging into the lexicon, does this show hes not following the rehnquist model or is this a one off . Why he interrupted, what he was doing it was to keep the decorum, not to suddenly be in a position of any kind of substantive ruling. It was to say, look, his job is to be presiding officer. Its a very specific role. Keeping the procedures. He was keeping the clock all day. Announcing the vote tallies. Hes also in charge of decorum and making sure that things run smoothly. And he had, obviously, studied every single impeachment trial, not just the two that involved president s of the United States but federal judges who had been impeached and tried by the senate. And he was referring to the 1905 trial of florida judge by the name of charles swain. And things were just getting nasty at that hour. And i think it reflected chief Justice John Roberts rigorous sense of decorum, a little bit of his wit in there, referring to the pettifogging, which essentially means like being petty, and he was telling these the house managers and the lawyers for President Trump, do not become petty. We have to maintain some standards here. Okay. So on the more substantive issues, do you expect the chief justice to be put in a position where he has to make decisions that are consequential . And if so, do you expect him to take that up or let it pass in effect . I actually think hes drawing a line here. He knows that under the terms of the u. S. Constitution and the senate rules, his job here in the senate is much different than his job across the street at the u. S. Supreme court. He is not here to decide the case of donald trump. He almost certainly will not cast a vote. Any kind of procedural determination that he does make can be overturned by a majority of the senate. He regards this as the senates show. The senates rules are what he is enforcing. So, jim, to answer your question, i think he would not seize more control. He will control the decorum and the etiquette here but hes not going to suddenly say, you have to let john bolton testify. Right. At 10 00 a. M. , joan, he will take the bench after a long night. How does any of this factor in . Do you think they listen . Do both sides listen . I think hes probably exhausted. As you say, now hes over in his usual job presiding over the Supreme Court actually having to decide this case at 10 00 a. M. So when he comes back at 1 00 p. M. , probably still a little bit redeyed, lets hope that hes able to maintain some decorum. And this is the senate wants this. Back in 1999, trent lott wanted that from his members to try to have a trial that people could watch and feel was respectful of both sides. And was worthy of the title of, you know, the most deliberative body. Yeah. I think he was trying to make a joke a little bit about pettifogging. I think everybody is so tired, including him, no one really caught the joke at that point. I think youre exactly right. The chief justice has a really good sense of wit and well probably see that throughout this trial. But at that moment, he was all seriousness, all business in saying, please, everyone, stay in line here. Thanks, joan. Thank you. Opening arguments are ahead today. But after that very contentious first day in the Senate Impeachment trial, will democrats or republicans adjust their playbook . Hey, saved you a seat. This rounds on me. Hey, can you spot me . Come on in. Find your place today, with silversneakers. Included in most Medicare Advantage plans. Enroll today by calling the number on your screen or visit getsilversneakers. Com my hands are everything to me. But i was diagnosed with dupuytrens contracture. And it got to the point where things i took for granted got tougher to do. Thought surgery was my only option. Turns out i was wrong. So when a hand specialist told me about nonsurgical treatments, it was a total game changer. Like you, my hands have a lot more to do. Learn more at factsonhand. Com today. Like you, my hands have a lot more to do. 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I wonder if that extends to the question of witnesses given the back and forth yesterday . I dont think it does extend to witnesses in any way, shape or form. I think the 5347 votes, except for one, show where the caucus is and the strength of the caucus on those issues. So i dont see that changing at all as it relates to witnesses. But i do agree that as it relates to something more formal and a fast dismissal, mcconnell will not have the votes for that. Guy, let me ask you about the house dems process in all of this, but also from the president s legal team, they say, look, you guys rushed. Now you want things you didnt wait for the court to decide on like witnesses, like bolton, mulvaney, et cetera. Thats one argument, and i get that. But at the same time, you have the Trump Justice Department working to get court races dismissed that are deciding on executive branch officials. And adam schiff pointed out that irony, hypocrisy yesterday. While these lawyers for the president are here saying the house should have gone to court, they are in court saying the house may not go to court to enfo

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