Gets called by everybody in the book. And women. That 19 the 1 recording on taned by the Washington Post is of a man who said he was john miller with publicist for donald trump. But reporters who covered trump back in the day claim he called them masquerading as miller or john baron. What does donald trump say about that . Listen to what he tells nbc. Youre going so low as to talk about something that took place 25 years ago about whether or not i made a fen call. I guess youre saying, under a presumed name. Yes, under a presumed name. The answer is no. Lets get to more current subject. What about Donald Trumps taxes . I fight very hard to pay as little taxes as possible. What is your tax rate . None of your business. Maybe we should move on to trumps proposed muslim ban. Anything i say right now, im not the president. No matter what you say, its a suggestion. Washington post releasing a recording from 1991. Reporter People Magazine sue carswell speaks it a man who identifies himself as john miller, publicist for donald trump. By the way, im sort of new here and what is your position . Im the pr because you get so much of it. Yeah. And fracnkly where did you come from . I cant tell you on the record. Off the record i can tell you he doesnt care if he got bad pr until he got divorced. He he got a lot of bad financial stuff. He liked it. It was good. Because he could get a divorce. Once the divorce is finished, then he is doing well fnly and didding well in every other woi way. Dding well in every otheri. How come all of saud he is doing so well and then theres a story on that. Way. How come all of saud he is doing so well and then theres a story on that. Every other way. How come all of saud he is doing so well and then theres a story on that. In every other way. How come all of saud he is doing so well and then theres a story on that. Every other way. How come all of saud he is doing so well and then theres a story on that. Ive been brought in to handle it because of the press. Where did you come from . I worked for a couple different firms. We have played a lpg excerpt so you can judge if john miller sounds like a certain president ial candidate but Donald Trump Tells nbcs today show there is no question its not him. That is not me on the phone. Not me on the phone. Doesnt sound like me, ill tell you that. And in the 20 years ago . In the 90s yes. And you are going so low as to come up with something 20 years ago. And i guess you say under a presumed name. Yes under a presumed name. No. Lets get on to and a whopping 25 minutes into a phone call with trump when asked about john miller the phone went silent then dead. Here now to talk about the trump tape controversy is forensic audio expert paul ginsberg. I feel bad for calling you in. Because when you listen it that, if that person,ite honestly, im not an expert, but that person called me up on the phone whoever that was, i would say how you doing mr. Trump. To me it sounds like it. We have another forensic audio special. His name is thomas owens, you know him. He said based on the pitch and cadence on this tape, that jn miller and donald trump are the same guy. Do you agree . It seems like it is. In addition to which, this mr. Trump, knows more about donald trump and donald trump does. And he uses the same words, same phrases, and with the same knowing of each and every detail of different questions as they are thrown to him. And without any hesitation. Yeah. You think the clip we played in the intro is significant because, you know, where people quote john miller, he starts to work for donald trump. Tell me why, why do you think thats important, the clip in the beginning . Well whats important is hes asked twice what company do you work at and where did you come from. She had never heard the name. He doesnt give a name after company. He doesnt say how long he worked for the company. Just that hes a friend of donald trump. Donald trump thinks highly of him. And then he is requesting to do this parttime and then move on. This is larry Kings Program back in the 90s. Here it is. There are rumors that you are being asked to run for governor of new york. There are a lot of rumors about a lot of things. I have zero interest. First of all we have a great governor in mario cuomo. Youre a republican . Im a republican. Could you imagine me running for office. Dont i think im a little controversy for that . Wouldnt you say . Have you been asked to run. Ive been asked it run for office and i turned it down. Turned it done cold. What are you comparing when you listen to the Washington Post and when you listen to this interview from the 90s. Im listening to the tone, to how quickly he responds. His voice. What his accents are. It is the same kind of analysis as you do on isis tapes from say jihadi john. To see whether it matches up to what we know his type of speech is. This is with, i want to play another clip and i want you to listen to this. What stands out to you in that clip . That was supposed to be john miller, right . At every turn mr. Miller talks about how great, how popular, how much of a ladies man, how many hotels donald trump owns. And no matter what the questioning, he is right on without any hesitation and he has more details than anyone else. Maybe he is just a really good spokesman and he has become donald trump. Wouldnt you want that kind after spokesperson . I would but i dont know that he could exist. All right. Lastly i want you to listen to this. This is john miller then and donald trump now. I could tell you this i could tell you this you understand that probably doing as well politic as well as anybody hold up the boiible as well anybody. That would be evidence in a court of law. Don, if it walks like a duck, swims like a duck, looks like a duck, its a donald. Thank you, paul. Always a pleasure. Now bringing in former Senior Writer at People Magazine who covered donald trump for years. Set author of hulk hogan my lifeout side the ring. You know mark, we are sitting here because, it almost seems preposterous. Tell us. And you have done reporting on this, right . Yeah. I mean, look, this is you listen to that tape and anybody who has ever spoken to donald trump on the phone or in person, thats donald trump on the tape. I have absolutely no doubt. More than that, lets go back to the original People Magazine story in 1991. In that article, they took that tape at the time to a series of donalds colleagues and associates and including mar la maples, his girlfriend at the time and soon to be wife, and they all verified that was donald trump on the tape. So it is preposterous to think it was anything other than donald trump on the tape. What i dont understand, it is well known in media circles that he used to do this. Especially using the name john barron more than miller. But yeah, he used john barron all the time. Baron is actually a name that he just seemed to use a lot with girlfriend and things and now baron is his youngest sons name. And he reportedly admitted this in 90s that he did this. Everyone in new york media knew it at the time. That happened before my time at People Magazine. But those stories still went around the newsroom because everybody knew it. It was part of who he was. Why he isnt owning up to it now, i dont know. Why would he do this . Whats in it for him . You think it makes him look kind of silly . Maybe. Because were talking about the presidency. Were talking about the president of the United States. And the president of the United States is generally not the same person that donald trump was when he was a tabloid fixture in new york city going through very public divorces. Living a life as a business man. That was a celebrity. He was a symbol of 80s excess that was rolling into the 90s. That is very different persona that even what the people that want an outsider in the white house are looking for. You know. It is just outside the norm. Maybe theres in embarrassment there. But ive never known donald trump to be embarrassed of everything. Thats what i dont understand. Why isnt he owning up to this . Thats the question. By the way, can i mention something . Yeah. Can i just mention something . . He got this right out of his fathers play book. You know, fred trump, he used to make phone calls to people who he didnt want to know he was the one calling. Fred trump would call and use the identity of mr. Green. Yet people knew it was fred trump calling tp p isnt out of character for the trump family. This is something that donald trump picked up from his father and is carried on. Now he doesnt need to. For years he is on twitter now. Just call me directly. He can say whatever he wants it say and get it out there. Exactly. You specifically covered the r ros Rosie Odonnell feud with donald trump. Was he happy with the way you covered this story . Yeah. Because i quoted him accurately as he put down Rosie Odonnell as brashly as he could. He loved i was one of the first to call him and we were the first ones to put the story up on people. Com at the time. It spun into months and months and months of publicity for him that spun into higher ratings for the apprentice. Higher ratings for the Miss Universe pageant. He loves it. He had to come out and disavow comments made by his longtime butler who worked for him over 330 years. He said president obama should have been taken out of our military and shot as enemy agent in our first term. The bain said that butler doesnt work for trump any more and hasnt since 2009. Even though up until pretty presently he was taking groups on tours, what do you think about that . Look, a completely outrageous statement. I think donald trump did the right thing by disavowing that statement and distancing himself from it immediately. I think he had no other choice. We live in a very different world today. In the old days no one ever would have heard from a butler. Think about downton abbey. The butler is the one keeping secrets and the most reserved person on the staff. Now we live in an era of twitter and facebook and when your butler as nas face back and makes public comments, it will make its way into the news media. That has to be nerveracking for donald trump or anyone else running for office. This didnt exist a few years ago hop how you handle it and how you react to it is something every single politician is trying to figure out and put a handle on. Thank you, mark. Appreciate it. Its wild. Yes. We come right back, more from the serious john miller. Well maybe hes not so mysterious. Will comments like this dent Donald Trumps campaign . A very big thing with mick jagger. What happened, and with eric clapton. And it began and she ended up gooding with mick jagger. Then dropped mick jagger for donald and there it is right now. You know we said wed take a look at our Retirement Plan today. Not now im cleaning the oven yeah, im cleaning the gutters washing the dog washing the cat well im learning snapchamp chat. Chat changing the oil. vo its surprising what people would rather do than deal with retirement. Pressurewashing the. Roses. Aerating the lawn vo but with nationwide its no big deal. 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From the getgo. This is not don, this is don barron i used to call the drugstore and ask if they had Prince Albert in the can. But i was 12 and 13 at the time. Thats the thing. Not just the inflexion of the voice. It is the word choice. He uses as you just proved with the tape that you he uses the same words today. So the thing is that is this the thing that doesnt damage, because i dont think there is anything that can do damage. Not with his core. Here is what i was thinking. It is not just this. Also tax returns. Also the butler, right . If im paul ryan and i just had this big reproachment this week and im finally coming to terms with getting on board with the donald, what am i thinking now . Like what the hell am i getting into with this guy making phony phone calls, not releasing tax returns and hiring a crack pot as domestic staff . That would make me nervous. Does it make a difference that he just doesnt own up to it . Absolutely. If he just said i was having fun in the 90s. If he said this morning, look, i was in the midst of an ugly domestic situation, i needed to play that game, i really dont think we would be having some conversation right now. Is it about that or is it just the confluence of everything including this, as you said . Just about the phony phone call . I think we would be talking about the phony phone call in and of itself but i think it is that, tax rusheturns, the butle and this. Whats to come, right . What else is out there . Lets talk about the taxes. This is the exchange on good morning america. So i fight very hard it pay as little taxes as possible. What is your fax rate . None of your business. Youll see it when i release it. But i fight very hard it pay as little tax as possible. But it is our business. It is our business. And listen, he just planted a seed, okay. Twice said to stephanopoulos, i work very hard it pay as little taxes as i can. Get ready, don, believe me, i dont think he wants to hand over that return. But if he feels pressed to do it and finally does it and you find out that Warren Buffett secretary is paying more in taxes than donald trump and i dont mean her rate i mean paying more in taxes he will say i told you. I work awfully hard not to pay taxes. And one other observation, if i can, what does he most like talking about . How much money he has. How much money he earns. Thats his brand. You think thats a fear . Absolutely. If he had a big income statement he would have handed over those tax returns a long time ago. He did make a financial disclesh youre i think 9d 2 pages if the income were what he represented it to be and he were that charitable, you would have seen it by now. You remember this, what is good for the goose and i dont know if this is karma or what have you coming back, mitt romney, he criticized mitt romney when he found out mitt romney was paying a low tax rate and encouraged him to release 12 years of taxes. He speak to piers morgan. Watch this. Those returns are perfect. I would say, if i were mitt and im not and never discussed this aspect of it, but if i were mitt i would say i will release the rest of them. That was then and this is now. Does that make him look bad . Absolutely. I wish someone would question him in detail on this and say, you say youre being audited, are you being audited personally . Is it one of your 500 business entities in maybe the golf shop at dell boca vista and he is trying to stand behind this sort of thing. I want to get to the bottom of at least that. But Richard Nixon was being audited. He handed off his tax returns. There is nothing that says the irs cant hand over tax returns. Oh he they must be chomping at the bits that he is getting away with this so far. So far. He has been he had been self funding but he had been taking donations all along. But as he gets into the general election this changes things because he is not self db funding as he sees it. Does this change his whole idea about the guy that doesnt need money and not bought and paid for by anyone. I think the answer to your questions is in and of itself, not one of these is a game changer. But some point collectively, whether the tax returns or phony phone calls, that issue, i think collectively it might not hurt him with his base because he was right. He could shoot someone on fifth avenue and get away with it and they would still stand with him. But what about the minds he needs to win over. It is so funny. Can i make a phony phone call on fifth after now and get away with it. Right. But he needs to win new hearts and minds. Glenn beck commented that he waited until he got this far and waited to come out with the bomb shells. I dent want to talk about beck but my father has been saying that for weeks. My father says i hope he wont be upset with me offering this, but that liberal media, this is my dad, lying in wait and just waiting until he is annoyed and they will drop everything so that hillary is able to skate right to the white house. It is a perception out there. I will say this, i dont think hes been vetted. For all of the attention he is receiving, we look at a guy out there for a year. But trump university, have we gotten to the bottom of that. Tax issue. A whole host of things yet to play themselves out. Everything sticks to her. So little sticks to him. I cant wait to see sker monish tomor