Probably stay republican with the chief Justice Roberts as the judge, win it there and declare a victory. And thats what he should do. Well, we have to remember bill clinton was impeached but stayed in office. So it doesnt necessarily mean it would be the end of his precedency. Takes a two thirds vote, remember. So, jack, would firing him get the president his ability to control the Special Counsel investigation. That would be the only reason of getting rid of rosenstein. I think itll be exceedingly difficult. I cant imagine someone will come in and sit in rosensteins place and try to babysit him and redirect of the course of the investigation. Thats just not going to happen. I totally agree with everything bob said, by the way. And i think if he tries to replace rosenstein, if he tries
to replace sessions, it would be seen for what it is. It would be seen as the act of a man with a guilty mind. Innocent people dont behave this way. They dont threaten to fire anyone whos taken a hard line look otwhat theyve done. They dont try to interfere in investigations. They profess to be innocent. They should act innocence. I brought up bill clinton and talked about him being impeached and staying in office. As you see the raid against the president s lawyer, the connection to women and the alleged Sexual Affairs are there parallels to these investigations that maybe the president can learn from and his team . Well, the one lesson is and you put your finger on it, don, in one of your questions is our whole strategy in president clintons case was to keep him in office. And we did not gets sidetracked
fishing expedition . Its not a fishing expedition. They have to go before a magistrate judge. They had to determine im sorry, they had to demonstrate they had probable cause not only that a crime was committed but the evidence of that crime would be found in the locations they specified. You cant just willynilly go in and say id like to fish around in attorney soandsos office. This was run up through the highest levels of the department of justice. Let me ask you this. When Stormy Daniels was on, he brought up the whole line of etwitty e equity of credit and didnt talk with the bank. Also a source is saying that, you know, with this Home Equity Line of credit thats what i think thats what cohen is
worried about. Thats where he sees the bank fraud or whatever fraud, he doesnt see it there. What do you make of that . Number one, theres no way that the department of justice and the Southern District of new york acted this aggressively because of, you know, false information on a Loan Application or because of the Stormy Daniels or any of the other women so you think something else, something bigger . I think they have discovered evidence of a significant crime. I think it was unrelated to directly to what mueller is already investigating, and thats why rosenstein directed it be handed off to the Southern District of new york. But i think that the crimes in question, which may be fraud of a different kind, you alluded to some of them. We know they were interested in materials related to i think it was the national inquirer. And it may be that theyre
looking for fraud in connection with cohens dealings with them. But whatever the case may be i think theyre looking at something very serious. I think that mr. Cohen probably is in significant legal jeopardy. And i think that the president is probably very, very concerned about the fact that Michael Cohen is not just a lawyer but he is somebody who has worked for him in nonlegal capacities. And those capacities, there is no privilege. As i said knows where the bodies are buried. And there are documents indicating where the bodies are. I agree with jacks analysis. And, you know, i know mr. Cohens a lawyer, but im not entirely clear when hes acting as a lawyer, when hes acting as a fixer. When hes acting as a friend, and that can affect the attorneyclient privilege. Hey, bob, can i ask you something because a law professor, Allan Dershowitz was at the white house tonight. What do you make of this . Well, allan likes to be the rebel, and i dont make much of it. I mean, ill be honest with you, don, i dont have high regard for him. And i think he should stay in the classroom and let real lawyers help the president. Jack . Far be it for me to contradict bob. I think that im quite sure that theres no way mr. Dershowitz is going to join the president s legal team and actually start practicing in connection with this case. Now, i think the unfortunate
thing is that he might encourage the president to do Something Like relieve one of these people, mueller or sessions or rosenstein. And i think the consequences of that would be catastrophic for the president , for the remainder of his presidency, for the Republican Party. And i think it would be really unfortunate for the country. I could talk to you guys all night. I agree with you, jack, on that. Im worried that allan would you know, hes a wonderful law professor. I mean theres just no question about it, but this is not his thing. And he could encourage the president to do something that would be disastrous. So next time we have you on, bob, why dont you say how you really feel, okay . Well, i havent really told you how i really feel. I was rather subdued and you should have heard him in the greenroom. Thank you, bob. Thank you, jack. Always a pleasure. When we come back were learning more about the fbi raid on the home of the President Trumps attorney. A source telling cnn one was accused before the raid. Why is that . Im going to talk to one who worked in that office. New innovations. And a tradition of excellence. Luxury. And performance, engineered to take the crown. Presenting the allnew lexus ls 500 and ls 500h. Experience amazing, at your lexus dealer. A Golf Clubthat only hits is that some kind of magic wand . Not quite. Just the result of dell emc Working With Callaway to gather data and design bestinclass clubs,
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whitney seamore appointed by nixon whose boss was mitchell, he actually indicted his own boss when he was the u. S. Attorney. That kind of independence doesnt happen in a a lot of places. And at the time when i was looking into becoming a prosecutor and i talked with stern there, and he was famous for following the money. So thats the office you go to if you want to prosecutor official Corruption Cases with the best. Your camera has a mind of its own. I noticed. That was me. Youre stealing my thunder so wait, i should put on my glasses so i look more like you. Daniel, i got to ask you because berman was appointed on an interim basis and needs to be nominate bide may 5th or his appointment expires. Do you think that has anything to do with his recusal . I do. Hes not been nominated nor has he been permanently placed in that position. So he is sort of in there on an interim basis pending nomination. And given that nomination comes from the president and how close and sensitive this issue is from cohen to the president i think that is the most likely reason why he recused himself. The other potential reason i think of is in an unusual action the president himself interviewed mr. Berman. And that is not the normal course because you want to keep the political divide between the presidency and the department of justice. And so the fact that the president interviewed him gives him the potential apeerps peara
a potential conflict of interest. Got you. Theres a lot of things i meant to get to in the short time we have left. Is there any significance in that . Whats the significance of that . Well, the significance may be who the taxi cab folk are associated with. Theres a history in new york. I hate to even say that because i dont have any evidence of that. And i understand they seized medallions, and if you understand how taxicabs exist in new york theyre very expensive because there are limited numbers. I dont know if there are bogus medallions or they hope to find something. And i dont know which plane you search believe them, what they thought they were looking for. I can imagine they saw the medallions and thought there was anything suspect about them, they made a plain view
acquisition. They believe it is some evidence of crime, theyll take it away. If they find its nothing theyll return them. I had michael avenatti, Stormy Daniels attorney on earlier. You can use the money for whatever you want in a Home Equity Line of credit. And if theyre seeing the fraud there, would they have been able to get a Search Warrant to do a no knock warranto on someone fo that . Its hard to speculate, don, because we havent seen the affidavit. And most likely Michael Cohen hasnt seen it the Search Warrant or likely his lawyers. So do you think he may be in more trouble or he doesnt know Whats Going On . I think his lawyers had
conversations with prosecutors today to understand. Thats a normal course of conversation. But i dont think he would have seen the affidavit, which lays out all the probable cause, and i dont think its based on a Home Equity Line of credit. If its not dirty money that the lean of credit is, then its not Money Laundering to give it to Stormy Daniels. So i do not think that is the basis for the warrant. I think its something more serious that gives prosecutors reason to take this somewhat extraordinary action and search the lawyers office. John, i have to go. Do you agree with that . I agree in part. I think its true we can know from the confident. But the question is what statement did he make that can be false . We dont know what he said. And were presuming he didnt say anything about equity and why he chose to do that and put himself in the trip bag remains to be seen when we see the affidavit. When we come back the raid on Michael Cohen has the president angrier than before and has people wondering what hes going to do next. Comparable bundle, for less. Call today. Breaking news into cnn. This is just coming in from a white house official says President Trump, his team is reevaluating an interview with Robert Muellers team in light of the cohen raid. A white house official says the president and his legal team are reevaluating whether trump should sit down with muellers team in light of the raid. The president has made no decision about the interview, but anyone with common sense will see the attack on his lawyer as cause. The raid on cohens office is viewed as not showing the president that courtesy. So lets bring in now michael
bender and National Security analyst julia kayanne. What do you think of this new reporting . I think theres been concern about what to do about a potential interview with mueller. And it doesnt surprise me someone on the team now using the raid to push forward a message they may not go forward with an interview with mueller. It does sound a lot like trump. He would view this raid as discourteous and disrespectful and want to show reply ipkn d kind, which would be not to interview. I would caution, though, as you
said no decision has been made. And i wonder how long trump can i imagine trump is eager to talk to mueller and would want to set the record straight right across the table from him. Even with that would he be compelled to talk with mueller whether he want to or not . I think the jury is out, and it would appear that this would be a voluntary discussion and the contours of the discussion would be formed over time, and i think the challenge right now is the challenge All Of Us Have Is WhichTrump White House is speaking. Clearly people who dont want him to speak to mueller have the upper hand right now because of what happened yesterday in Michael Cohens office. The Breaking News just into cnn is that a white house official was telling Cnn Jims Acosta that President Trumps team is reevaluating a meeting with special Counsel Robert Mueller in light of the raid on
his attorneys home yesterday. The raid has angered the president beyond anything they have ever seen before. Do you think this is Tipping Point . Yeah, it could be, don. I have two thoughts. One is it sort of sounds like the president in context, if someone does something he doesnt like, hes going to ratchet it up. China says were going to answer with 50 billion in tariffsf our own and he answers it. If the reporting is coming from the president directly himself, then i raise you by saying maybe i wont talk to bob mueller after all. But the challenge, the political problem for President Trump here, this is not how an innocent person acts when theyre comfortable and want to clear their name. If he had no worries about what the results of this
investigation, the Special Counsels investigation were, then it would behoove the president just to wait, talk to them, answer the questions. But because theres so much potential jeopardy we dont know if the president has done anything that ran afoul of the law. But because theres so much jeopardy in terms of his story not matching up with other people the Special Counsel has interviewed, i think hes got this problem of wanting to come clean and at the same time not wanting to trip himself up. Michael, also, we have seen so much from the president in recent days of him wanting to take matters into his own hands. Reports that hes not really paying attention to his advisers and saying hes going to start doing what he wants to do, more of what he wants to do. Hope hicks is gone, Keith Schiller is gone, also his bag man gone. Who can keep the president calm now . I think the president has
always pretty much done what he wanted to do, but you raised a good point here on where the sort of checks and balances are even within his own office. And i think right now were at a real Transition Point in this white house. He mentioned hope hicks. Keith jiller has been gone a while. Rob porter, the staff secretary who was dealing with some pretty serious personal issues right now, that is position that hasnt been replaced. Tom bossert, the Homeland Security advisor who left today, he was well liked within the white house. He was organized. People described him as a perfectionist. Theres no replacement for him. Chris riddell whos in charge of the office of immigration, im
just wondering if ware at a point here where Kelly Reinstructturir Restructuring the white house here slowly but surely. But there are reports, the multiple reports that chief of staff john kellys authority is diminished. He hasnt been included in important decisions, in executing recent staffing changes. He was considered one of the few, the socalled adults in the room. Does that make it even more likely the president could make a rash decision . David, ill give that to you. Look, i think general kelly has in part undermined himself. There was the episode with con