A recap of the days news. A recap of the days news. A recap of the days news. Through the Revolving Door down here, theres a word that became a word i never heard of until this presidency when people were sort of struggling with how to describe this government of sort of fringe characters, people with resumes that did not usually enter into government service. And that word is chacistocracy. It points in this presidency, its been an apt way to describe it. To paraphrase donald trump, theyre not sending their best. And i think the evidence that you its not a partisan point, you laid out the evidence there of an administration that is just filled with people who have either crossed ethical
lines or challenged norms that we have all upheld for decades in this country. And all being led by the president at the top who sets that tone. Lets talk more about the swamp here, Rudy Giuliani says they have responded to muellers latest proposal regarding an interview. These allegations should be over by september 1st, are they in a position to be calling the shots like that . No. Nor would they even know what theyre saying. Weve had a series of those kinds of statements from giuliani, was going to be a couple weeks. Weve had a series of the statements from trump starting back in june. Im 100 ready to testify. And instead what weve received is this kind of tango between the two groups where giuliani and trump at least feign some kind of desire and willingness to sit down and answer some questions in some form. Not acting in anyway the way a witness or not to mention a suspect in a criminal probe would act. You dont believe them . You dont think hes going to sit down . You think theyre feigning interest . I do think theyre feigning, its been that way for a long time. In part, though, i think it because i think its not in trumps interest to sit down. Not because its a perjury trap, one of the two word trump slogans he throws about like drain the swamp or fake news, its really hard to know what he means. But because he knows mueller seeks real answers to important questions. And mueller will have information that trump doesnt have. And it will put him in a precarious position if he has any vulnerability. The time has come then, i think this is an important question. The time has come now to subpoena the president . In a word, yes. I mean, i would never want to second guess robert mueller,
hes got impeccable judgment along with everything else, there has been some reason hes been staying his hand, but surely if the reason to stay his hand is that theyll be able to work out a deal. Its pretty clear that wont happen. It will have some delay to subpoena him. There will be a legal battle, but thats going to happen whenever he does it. You know, i think not only do we need it for the probe, but we need it for the country. We need to know whats happened, we need to know where trump what trump asserts, and we may never find out without his being forced in some way to give answers. Lets bring you in now, laura. The president s team wants to limit what the Special Council can ask and saying that they would consider questions related to obstruction as long as they arent perjury traps. If lose telling the truth, why does he need to worry about perjury . Arrogance. You want to be arrogant enough
to dictate the terms of someone who holds a greater Bargaining Position than you do. Im showing the court of public opinion, and maybe the court of law that i am being reasonable. I am negotiating in good faith here to try to voluntarily sit down and avert even a compulsion of a Subpoena Discussion in the court of law, its mueller who is tieing my hands who is making it impossible for me to do what i know the American People and my leadership dictates that i do. But theyre playing this game of good cop and bad cop, knowing that both are all in on the feigned exercise here. And when he tries to dictate the terms of the obstruction conversation, it alerts you to two things, don. Number one, there is a real nearsightedness by the president of the United States legal team that says, this entire Collusion Probe is simply about whether the president of the United States has engaged in wrongful conduct at the tail end of the campaign. And also it shows you that his
fixation on the notion of obstruction is one that his own behavior continues to fuel. The only reason that aspect of the investigation has been prolonged is because he continues to tweet and engages in acts that make people say, i think a red flag has been lifted here about your own conduct. Perhaps if he stopped talking about the issues, he would be able to have a more timely efficient close of the probe and what would we talk about . Theres still plenty to talk about, because the president has an irresistible urge to do so. I was being snarky. Those all fuel Robert Muellers thirst to say, what is it you dont want me to see, thats the only thing i want to look at. I want to play this, this is what Rudy Giuliani said to trumps other lawyer. On jay seculos radio show. We have now given him an answer you he should take a few
days to consider it. He has all the information he needs. The interview will provide everything that he has. It seems like that they are trying to delay or stop an interview at all costs. Despite the president saying they want to get over it. Everything that giuliani and seculos public lawyers, everything they say has to be viewed through the prism of What Giuliani has said previously. And that is one. Mueller cannot indict the president. He alleges that mueller has told them that. This will only play out. The only possible consequences for trump would be in congress in an impeachment setting. This is not to them, its not a normal Criminal Case a normal
criminal defense attorney would not be out there playing these kinds of games, these giuliani knows his clients. He believes this, if its true, muellers never said this publicly. That he cannot be indicted. So that is a huge ace that they hold, knowing that mueller can never indict the president. Knowing that the only forum is going to be congress and impeachment. So they can turn this into a completely political battle. Did it escape any of you that the president s attorney has a radio show . And he invited his other private attorney to be on. You discussed the conversations you probably had with your client its not that you cant ever indict a president period its a sitting president. The idea you could cause there to be an indictment is key here. I think robert muler is keenly aware of that particular aspect of it. Stick around, everyone, well get you in on the other side, harry. Despite demanding an end to this russia investigation. Dragging out negotiations with mueller through the november midterms could boost republican candidates at the polls. Well talk about that next. Raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens bright copper kettles and warm woolen mittens brown paper packages tied up with strings these are a few of My Favorite Things
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twist in defense of the president , it could be done by labor day. The president s attorney seems to be supporting a new strategy tonight. Lits talk about rudy, shall we . I promise you the First ResponseRudy Giuliani is telling cnn it could benefit if if muellers investigation are. Even if the president gives an interview, mueller wont know anything more than he already knows. Hes asserting literally theres no more to know, theres no what did you say you told jim comey . Or when did you find out about the russia meeting . Or why did you get so angry at Jeff Sessions and what did you say . These are the critical core questions for judging his state of mind. And giuliani seeks to put them
off the table. I do think if it drags on. The probe hangs over him and it obviously creates a kind of cloud. On the other hand if the report comes out and its damning, then that will be the kind of record that is taken in to the midterms. It could be that hell already have begun to pivot, i think time probably favors Mueller Over Trump at this point. I think the strategy, though, ryan is that giuliani thinks its going to energize the gop voters, people are getting tired of it, or it will betray trump as a put upon figure that should everyone is out to get him. Is he right. Theyre turning mueller into this person whos unfairly out to target trump. The whole Witch Hunt Rhetoric and all that. And i dont know if hes right
about that, it probably depends on the race and the demographics of the district youre talking about, some republicans dont want to talk about this issue at all, others have leaned into it more and talked about it, if you look at that ohio race last night, the special election, neither candidate was really hot on the russia issue, they talked about tax cuts and medicare and bread and butter issues. I do think my own view is, it would be good for the country if this report if muellers going to write a report thats going to become public. Wouldnt that be great if we had that before election day. And the country would know all the facts and there wouldnt be this Issue Hanging over trump. We would actually voters could go to the polls understanding that the makeup of how important the makeup of congress was going to be. If they thought the Mueller Probe was bs, they could keep the republicans around, if they thought it was serious and only a new Democratic Congress could
rectify the situation. I have to ask you. Do you think muellers considering the impact of all this might have on the midterms in november . I think hes required to consider the impact of every major prosecution on elections. The doj policy is that youre not supposed to engage in a prosecution that could impact an election. Which assumes the person you may be targeting would be on the ballot. Thats not the case here for President Trump. Hes not on the ballot, not a member of his campaign team. So it would be assuming that the doj policy is that one should not prosecute or pursue prosecution of anyone, even if the people who are targets or subjects would have no bearing on the actual ballot initiative. Its a big assumption he would make. You think its a red herring . I think its a very big red herring. The reason giuliani is pointing to september is because of early voting. There are states around the
nation that have early voting beginning in september. Which ironically is one of the things that many of the Voter Fraud Commission did not enjoy about having the early access to the polgs, and now they are aware, keenly aware that the early elections will have some impact on muellers consideration of how long to continue this probe. Do you really think, ryan, witch hunt whatever happens out of the mueller investigation. Do you think thats going to that wont really change anything when it comes to the base . The Target Audience here, i think in the court of public opinion. I guess maybe to keep the space energized would be interest and it would be people that you could possibly peel off from the democratic party, right . I mean i guess i still believe, maybe im naive, if mueller finds evidence of a crime, that republicans, that there is a chance that republicans would change their
views about the investigation. Remember, in watergate, i mean, people defended republicans defended nixon after a lot of very incriminating evidence had built up. Even after john deans testimony, right . His own White House Council came out against him and said he as a crook. We dont believe dean. Nobody things didnt turn until you had the smoking gun tape. And so im not saying that mueller has that. I still i do believe there is some red line at some point that could be triggered in the investigation. And we wont know that until mueller reveals all he knows. Until we get to that red line. Harry, giuliani and trumps legal team they keep using this phrase, perjury trap. We talked a little bit about this before. They do it because theyre trying to raise questions about muellers tactics, right . Thats part of it, i think it is a kind of slogan that revs the base up. I agree with the point that ryan just made, that were really talking about trying to have an impact on the sort of margin of people who can actually be persuaded to think twice about it, they bandy it around. And god knows what they think it means, its certainly nobody proposes here to treat him different from other witnesses who come in and give the facts about what they knew and what happened. And when they knew it. A perjury trap if it means anything is a sort of setup just to play gotcha with a factual question. These are the deep questions that are front and center in this criminal investigation. They have been for over a year. And muellers been stymied in trying to get to them by trump. If you think for just a second of the kinds of questions trump will be asked, i think you have to dismiss the idea that it could ever be a perjury trap. Theyre really rolling the dice when it comes to the
subpoena thing. If he is subpoena, he doesnt have the opportunity i have to get to the break. His attorneys wont be in there with limb, right . They could make a compromise. And they have in the past, certainly he cant try to set the rules as hes doing now. Thank you all. Appreciate your time. When we come back, the new york Congressman Accused of Insider Trading who could face up to 150 years in prison if hes convicted. Chris collins not only denying the charngs, but insisting hes going to run for office again. Crabfest is back at red lobster, ooh, heaven is a place on earth [ sobs quietly ]
they could avoid losing hundreds of thousands of dollars. Good evening, its so good to have you on. I want to read. Let me give you the time line here before we talk about it. Keep in mind this is all happening on white house grounds. Collins gets an email from the ceo of the company saying the drug failed clinical trials. Six minutes later, collins tries to call his son cameron, Making Contact after four attempts. Cameron contacts his future motherinlaw, who tells her broker to dump the stock. The next Morning Cameron dumps over 16,000 shares of the company. So when you see it all laid out like that, does it seems like collins and his attorneys have an uphill climb here . What do you see when you look at that time line . Well, its clear don that
these allegations are very serious, and that Chris Collins is going to have a tough time, and his family, goingforward, now, we have to operate under the presumption of innocence. Doj is theyve indicted him, that will trigger the House Ethics Committee to act. They will empanel an investigation subcommittee. The department of justice will call the subcommittee and say, please defer the matter to us. The committeep likely honor that request. Right now Chris Collins is going to be in for a really rough road here, theres no question about it, hes been stripped of his seat on the energy and Commerce Committee as i understand it, so hes going to have to hes going to have to fight this out in court. His bigger problem is that the doj problem, the criminal charges and the ethics issue. If he were to plead guilty or if he were to be convicted. Then it would be expected he
would resign. If not, the Ethics Committee would take that up as a matter of an expulsion. We had a situation here in philadelphia, chaka fattah. Hes in prison now on misdeeds. Many have speculated about my relationship. Here are the simple facts, my connections with the company are well known. I believe i acted properly and within the law, at all times with regard to my affiliation with anate. Throughout my tenure in congress, very followed all rules and all ethical guidelines, when it comes to my personal investments, including those with innate. He denies wrongdoing, says hes going to run for reelection. If he deflies it, and hes not guilty, fine, but hes not going to hes going to run for reelection, do you think thats a mistake in. Well, i wouldnt. I mean, hes going to be spending a whole lot of time and effort just trying to defend himself and clear his name. Again, hes entitled to the presumption of innocence, hes done nothing wrong. Hes going to have to make that case in court. He may or may not prevail. Id rather not have to deal with a Political Campaign simultaneously while im fighting this Battle For My Life legally speaking. Thats a lot on his plate. He did say hes not going to speak about there publicly. The only time he would do it is in a court of law or with his attorneys, as far as the public, in front of the media, hes not going