And then he just said the other day he knew more than the generals. Remember, especially when it comes to, i think compassionists, in the 60 minutes interview. Its not surprising. Yeah, we should point it out. Im glad that you pointed it out. But as you said, this is where we are right now. And thats from the president of the United States. Its just flabbergasting. Almost every single day seems to become more surreal and surreal, especially when you look at the facts, and then when you and i and others, when we put his own words on television, and they contradict each other. And then people say were being biased. Sorry if you think im biased by playing the president s own words. Thats what he said. Ill tell you what. Unfortunately, he is playing on fertile ground. When it comes to science, we have some really weird trending going on in this country. Did you know in the younger generation, one out of three in a recent poll said they are not completely convinced ready for this that the earth is round. Is round. Remember the flat Earth Society . Im glad you mentioned young people. Again, were going to switch subjects here. I was going to talk to you a moment about your conversation with steve and symone, which was just fascinating to me. I am so glad that youre on that story, and we have been on the khashoggi story a lot as well. But when you were speaking about young people, i had a conversation with my mom late into the night last night, and she was talking about the state of politics in this country. She said, i wonder if young people, especially young people of color and women shes wondering why they dont have any historical reference because when she was growing up, she was one of the people who protested at lunch counters. She said, they dont know about the dogs. They dont know about the hoses. They dont know about not being able to go into restaurants. They dont know about that, so they dont know whats at stake in any election. And so they dont go out to vote, and that is just so frustrating and mindboggling to her, and shes a member of the generation before us. But i respect that generation because they really lived it and went there, and thats why we all need to get out and exercise our constitutional right to vote. Thats why the older generation is so worried by the great efforts being made to divide the country right now. So much of the work and, look, we always had a lot more work to do. I mean this is an experiment that were all living here. Its not a very old one either by civilization standards. But when they see how easily people are teasing things apart, that they worked so hard to bring closer together, its frightening. Especially people like your mom who had the heart and the head and the conviction to put herself out there for the betterment of herself and others. My mom had to walk to school while school buses to the white school would pass her on the road every day. This just a couple weeks ago when she was here visiting me, she was telling me about when she was in the hospital having me, there was one little section in the back of the hospital, a row that was a blacks only row. And you sat there, and if white women came in before you, they got taken care of before you. Until they were done. You know whats scary too, i speak to africanamericans. It wasnt that long ago. I was born in 1966. It wasnt that long ago. In 1980 when i was in high school in the 80s, the ku klux klan would pass out literature in front of my school on groom road in baker, louisiana. That is a fact. One of my best friends lived down the street from the grand dragon or grand wizard, one of them, of that chapter in baker slash central louisiana. This was not its not that long ago. My mom was telling me again last night that she would take my grandmother to the polling place. They would make her count jelly beans in the jar before she could vote or try to guess the number of jelly beans in a jar. All of this, and the reason im saying it is because were going to talk tonight about voter suppression, the efforts that are under way. Right. And its just mindboggling to me that some people can sit home and say, im not going to get out and vote, or they dont even think about it. They have no idea that an election is coming up. And, look, and people will say, look, were in a much better place than we were there. Yeah, but things are fragile. And when the proud boys show up, it makes people scared. Exactly. And when people say, including the president , there are good people along with the kkk too, it makes people scared. And when people want to point out something that is true, which is people who call themselves antifa and commit crimes and are violent, those who want to immediately equate with the kkk and say theyre equal scares people. Scares people and with good reason. Thats why theres an urgency about bringing ourselves back together as quickly as possible. People die for the right. Get out and vote. But then again look at it, you know what else happened, though . From your mom waiting at the counters, from your mom having to witness all those dignities, look where you are now. The man, 10 00 at night. Only twohour show on prime time as you like to remind me every 15 seconds. The smartest and the best looking. Oh, my gosh, were dressed alike. I just noticed that. Its crazy. Like it wasnt intentional on your part. Please, dont flatter yourself. My gosh, your ego is ridiculous. Im surprised it can fit in the studio. Who wears the black suit and the black tie, everybody . One of them says lets get after it. Thank you, chris. Good night. This is cnn tonight. Im don lemon. You know what . I have said this before. The world is watching. The world is outraged by what looks more and more like the brutal murder of a United States resident, a journalist. And that outrage may finally be forcing the president s hand tonight. Heres what a source is telling cnn, that the secretary of state mike pompeo gave Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman a blunt message. If the saudis dont own what happened, if they dont deal sharply with the people involved, the u. S. Will have to deal with this. The world will demand it. Well see what happens when the secretary meets with President Trump tomorrow. Thats going to happen at 10 00 a. M. Tomorrow. We heard what the secretary said behind the scenes, but this is what he said today when he was asked whether the saudis had told him whether khashoggi is dead or alive. I dont want to talk about any of the facts. They didnt want to either. He doesnt want to talk about the facts . Well, thats exactly what the world wants, the facts. The truth about what happened to Jamal Khashoggi. Why did he go over there . And this may be adding fuel to the fire because cnn is also learning that President Trump has been frustrated by reports suggesting that hes been cozying up with a repressive and allegedly murderous regime. And it sounds like he wasnt happy about photoop yesterday. This is pompeo and the crown prince. A source insisting that those smiles ended at the end of that photoop. Thats what they say. We dont know. But the more we learn about what may have happened to Jamal Khashoggi, the more horrifying this story gets. Turkey says grisly details from an audio recording of khashoggis alleged killing suggest that he was tortured, then murdered shortly after he went inside the saudi consulate in istanbul. The president questioning whether that recording even exists. Have you asked for this audio video intelligence that the turks we have asked for it if it exists. We have asked for it. Have you gotten it . Weve asked for it if it exist. Are you surprised that they havent turned it over . No. Im not sure yet that it exists. Probably does. Possibly does. Turkey has yet to release any such recording, but youve got to wonder if it does exist, how much longer that they can keep it under wraps and how explosive it will be if it ever sees the light of day. This is more than a dozen turkish forensic investigators wearing gloves and white hazmat suits topped with black vests. Those vests labeled police. They spent the day going over the residence of the saudi consul general with a finetooth comb. Turkish media saying that they collected a large number of dna samples. And remember those passport scans of seven men turkey believes were connected to what happened to khashoggi . One of them appears to be Saleh Mohammed al tubaigy, the head of forensic medicine at the saudi interior ministry. A london newspaper interviewed him four years ago when he came up with technology that he said allowed him to dissect a body at a crime scene in seven minutes or less. Chilling. Heres what the Washington Post is reporting tonight, that the white house and the saudi royal family are trying to come up with an explanation for what appears to be the death of Jamal Khashoggi without implicating the crown prince. Even though several u. S. Officials have told cnn that an operation like this could never have happened without the crown princes direct knowledge. Listen to this one. Rudy giuliani is telling the post, many senior members of the Trump Administration concluded more than a week ago that the saudis had killed khashoggi. Rudy giuliani. And the New York Times is reporting that american intelligence officials are increasingly convinced that the crown prince is culpable. So why is the president still siding with the saudis . The president today. Im not giving cover at all. With that being said, saudi arabia has been a very important ally of ours in the middle east. If you look at saudi arabia, theyre an ally, and theyre a tremendous purchaser of not only military equipment but other things. When i went there, they committed to purchase 450 billion worth of things and 110 billion worth of military. Those are the biggest orders in the history of this country, probably the history of the world. I dont think theres ever been any order for 450 billion, and you remember that day in saudi arabia where that commitment was made. So theyre an important ally, but i want to find out what happened. Where is the fault . And we will probably know that by the end of the week. So as always, you have to factcheck what the president says often. So the fact is even that 110 billion figure is off the mark. The saudis have only followed through on that about 114 billion 114. 5 billion so far. This is as the president also insisting that he has no financial interest in saudi arabia. He says he has none. But we know his hotels have made hundreds of thousands of dollars from the saudis just since he took the oath of office. And we might know more if this president had released his tax returns as every president since Richard Nixon has done. Heres what our founders feared. They feared a chief executive under the influence of a foreign power. Thats why they wrote the emoluments clause in our constitution, you know, all these strict constitutionalists that are just turning a blind eye to this. There is an emoluments case against the president in federal court right now. But the fact is this president made his position clear long ago, when he made his first foreign trip as president. That first trip, saudi arabia. Thats when saudi arabia rolled out the red carpet, and this president as much as told the regime he would give them a free pass on the human rights. Watch this. We are not here to lecture. We are not here to tell other people how to live, what to do, who to be. This president has dodged a lot of scandals by sweeping them right under the rug. Just this month, there was that bombshell tax report in the New York Times. He swept it under the rug. But this is different. This time its different because this looks more and more like murder, a particularly brutal murder. And yet this president is fighting back the only way he really knows how dodging. It sounded to me like maybe these could have been rogue killers. Who knows . Distracting. 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Im told that what followed when those cameras were off was a blunt, direct message from secretary of state pompeo to the crown prince, mbs, and that pompeo warned the crown prince that every fact about what happened is going to come out and that he has to, quote, own the situation, take responsibility, and that pompeo also told him in no Uncertain Terms that the saudis had better get their investigation done very quickly, and pompeo stressed that they have to deal with the people involved, and the quote was that they have to deal with them sharply. And finally that the secretary of state went on to tell the crown prince that if the saudis dont take action, the u. S. Will have to deal with this, that the president s hand will be forced because the world will demand it. As you just said, don, the world is watching. Don. Jamie gangel with the new reporting. Jamie, thank you very much. I want to bring in now Nicholas Kristof and max boot. He is the author of the corrosion of conservatism. Also with us is asha rangappa. Good evening. Thank you so much. As always, were about the truth and facts here. As you pointed out to me, nicholas i misspoke. I said 114. 5. It should be 14. 5. Explain the error that i made. It was written properly. I just read it wrong. The saudis had promised to buy 110 billion worth of weaponry from the u. S. President trump has repeatedly cited this as a reason why our relationship with saudi arabia is so important, that we have 110 billion worth of weapons on the table. And, in fact, the saudis in that case as in a number of others essentially duped us. They made big promises. So far only about 14 billion of that has actually come to pass, and just as they had talked about supporting President Trumps Peace Agreement for the middle east, then backed off that, mbs talks a very good game. I think he knows how to push american buttons, but i think he played the administration. Thank you for doing that. Thank you for pointing it out to me as well. Max, let me get your reaction, your initial reaction to this reporting that jamie gangel of pompeo saying the cameras afterwards, no smile, saying you guys have to own up with this. And if not, this could cost, you know, him his title. Well, im glad that the secretary of state was tougher in private than he was in public. But you know what is said and done in public also matters a lot. That was just one of the most revolting pictures ive ever seen, mike pompeo sitting there shaking hands, grinning and laughing with mbs as these horrifying details are coming to light about what these goons who are working for mbs did to Jamal Khashoggi. And its not just mike pompeo. Its also President Trump and maybe hes being tougher behind closed doors. But i tend to think what hes saying in public is also probably what hes saying in private, which is that we have to give him the benefit of the doubt. We have to wait for the saudis to get to the bottom of this. I mean heres the reality, don. If youre waiting for the saudis to get to the bottom of this case, you might as well be waiting for o. J. To find the real killers, okay . There is zero chance that the saudi government run by mbs is going to implicate mbs in the murder and horrifying torture of Jamal Khashoggi. It is simply not going to happen. And if youre going to say were going to rely on whatever the saudis come up with, its going to be a whitewash. You have to have an International Inquiry to get to the bottom of this, and that is what the president should be demanding instead of trying to concoct a cover story with the saudis for this horrifying conduct. Asha, i want to get your response to that because nicholas is shaki