buzzer olly. This is cnn tonight, i am don lemon. We have breaking news from President Trumps lawlawyer, ru giuliani telling chris cuomo that President Trump did not collude with russia. Will we the American People ever see muellers report when he wraps up the russia investigation. William barr whos expected to be confirmed, is only pledging to be as transparent as he can which is not an unequivocal, yes. Growing question s of the relationship of Vladimir Putin and whether Vladimir Putin has the upper hand. Is President Trump working for russia, calling it nonsense and stupid. What we know since taking office two years ago, trump met with putin on five occasions and often they meet privately. Trump does not brief his aid on what was said and after meeting with putin in germany, trump took his interpreters note and instructed the interpreter not to say anything. While the president was returning home from that meeting, he called a reporter from air force one claiming russia is being falsely accused of interfering of the 2016 election. We got a lot to come with President Trumps relationship with Vladimir Putin tonight. We begin with deadly attack that killed four americans in syria. That came weeks after trump decided to withdrew troops. Here is cnn report. Reporter an explosion that killed more americans that was claimed by isis which a suicide bomber had carried out the attack. Americans were two Service Members and a civilian contractor. The deaths coming just hours before the Vice President claimed isis had been beaten. They very crumble and isis had been defeated. Reporter that following this white house producing the video declaring victory. We have won against isis and we have beaten them badly and taken back the land. Now it is time for our troops to come back home. Critics are slamming the trumping administration for the plan withdrawal of 2,000 u. S. Troops from syria. Reporter arguing it will lead a vacuum will filled with syria and iran. My concern that the statement that was made by President Trump is that enthusiasm about the enemy we are fighting, you make people we are trying to help wonder about us. And as they get bolder, the people are trying to help are going get more uncertain, i saw this in iraq and now in syria. Reporter this is as we learn President Trump defended russia on a phone call to New York Times last july saying russia was falsely accused of election interferen interference. Russia returning that favor, calling the allegation that President Trumps working for moscow is stupid. Almost identical to the language that the president often uses when casting himself as a victim of a witch hunt. It is a hitch wasnt and a disgrace. I respect the move but the entire thing is a witch hunt. Reporter william barr defended the president s characterization but told senators that at his confirmation hearing that not only mueller should be allowed to finish his investigation but barr will make it as transparent as possible. My goal is to provide as much transparency as i can consistent with the law. Reporter leaving himself some wiggle room how exactly hell communicate the muellers findings to congress and the republic. What i am saying is my objective and goal is to get as much as i can of the information to congress and the public. Those two answers don, that he wants to provide transparency but also is revealed by mueller is subject to barrs discretion. Senator feinstein says that her vote for barr hinges on the report being made public. This is an important report and the public needs to see it. Fareed zakaria is here. The collusion happened a long time ago. It is not provable because it never happened. What do you mean . I thought you said there is no chance it happened. I am telling you there is no chance. How do you explain that . I have no idea and never have what other people were doing. Okay, seriously, you heard that, right . If the collusion happened, it happened a long time ago. Thats not what he said before. Which is also not true. It happened a few years ago. He says he does not know what other people were doing. Thats stunning. All i would say is i would not want Rudy Giuliani to be my lawyer. First he says it did not happen and if it did, it happened a long time ago. We are talking about two or three years ago. Then he says it was not collusion between the president. I said the president was colluding. His campaign may have been colluded. It would be like saying the ceo none of it makes any sense. Either Rudy Giuliani had a really bad day or the trumps defense is really crumbling. Is he laying the ground work or something . I think my own sense as i said that i dont know why donald trump has Rudy Giuliani as a public voice on this. He did not seem to have a particularly good day. He has not had many good day in this situation when you push back. It seems like he made a mistake to my mind and he tried to cover it up. As we have been reporting here, i use the word turmoil, right . Our government is shutdown, there is a brexit chaos and yellow vest protest thats happening and the u. S. Is pulling out of syria. Putin is winning. Putin is winning in the sense when you say any time there is chaos in the western democracy, it is good for putin. He thrives on that and the idea that the western democracies are doing badly. I am not that pessimistic. You are in a very different world right now with the United States. The United States for the first time, seemingly Unstoppable Force of donald trump has met a removable object of nancy pelosi. I think you will see different word going forward. I think that not just what nancy pelosi is doing shrewdly but what House Democrats and chairman of committee do. Theyll have information that they never have before. So far all information, in the house and senate with republicans who are doing trumps bidding. Now you have a situation where Committee Chairman in the house will have information, access to information. That information may find its way to the New York Times or the Washington Post. That will then provide for the 17 investigations thats going on of his family and his associates. It feels like there is a lot more pressure here and the big picture is the framework of American Government has worked for the last two years, it has not work ed because the Republican Party chose to put party over that constitutional role that congress in some way has to check the executive branch. There is no way to do a brexit without an unbearable high cost to do it. Well see what happens in france. In france, it is a similar thing. Rhetoric is easy. When you have to govern, it turns out there are no answer. Either the answers are symbolic nonsense like the wall or they are actively bad like tariffs. Dont you think we are finding out the same thing . Exactly. What we are witnessing is a painful process but what we are finding out is all these popular remedies are in the symbolic or actively bad and theyre not going to help anyone. At some point you have to hope so many people who have been a good faith weight. Theyre going to realize that none of this is doing anything for them. I know you are fighting the crowd. Col cold. I had it a couple of weeks ago. I appreciate you coming here fareed zakaria. Dont miss gps on sunday. Hey. I heard youre moving into a new apartment. Yeah, its pretty stressful. This music is supposed to relax me, though. Maybe youd mellow out a bit if you got geico to help you with your renters insurance. Oh, geico helps with renters insurance . Good to know. Yeah, and they could save you a lot of money. Wow, suddenly i feel so relieved. You guys are fired. 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John, is this another example of the president s attorney seemingly going off script but really laying the ground work for what to come and opening up the possibility of collusion some where. I dont think so. I watched the entire 22 minutes of chris asking questions and rudy throwing brick back at him and trying to in sasult everybody and chris pushing further. He tried to cover for a slip and he was stuck with it. It is a headline because it is an admission against interest. Hes not very good at loitering for his client on television. Hes not good as a p. R. Guy on television. I want to read this from the Washington Post of september in 2018, remember what he said to chris there. This is from Rudy Giuliani, he says he also thinks that manafort has no evidence to suggest that Trump Campaign colluded with russians. There is nothing thats adverse to the president , the trumps family and the Trumps Campaign. Thats exactly opposite of what he sent. He said the collusion would come up empty. What do you think of all this after what we heard tonight. He also in that interview with chris trying to disown virtual linoing he did not know anything that he read in the newspaper. I dont think he talks to his client. Hes pro bono and hes getting attention, being out there representing the president. I cant really take him for factual based statement just on what you read now. There is no evidence and he was speaking all these things that were not true. It may be affected by the trumps circle. Maybe it is working, you know. The first eight minutes, he argued about a foot nignote ovee texts of the communications. It was bizarre stuff. He was off on a tangent deflecting chris from the line of inquiry hes trying to under take. Is mueller exploring other crimes and not just conspireing with russia or the hacking of dnc. Hes looking at other avenues. It is clear that he can look at any crimes. In the course of his invasi investigati investigation, obstruction of justice is within his charter and what started the investigation and the obstruction that they are looking at since we know so much more is a lot of good commentary out of the fact that obstruction could be the very firiing of comey because it interfered with the investigation of counter intelligence. Thats a very different thing in a court proceeding. Much broader and very viable. More of the interview, this is where he talks about holding data foreman fo manafort with t russian associate. Polling data is given to everybody. It is wrong to give it to them. It cant speak foreman for. All of it is cooking. Okay, again, misinformation. Polling data given to russians . When does that happen . Well, hes trying to he knows what makes a conspiracy and two people agreed to pass information about as as conspiracy maybe good or bad. It does not make a difference. Conspire is a more legal word for collusion. Internal polling data he says is cooked. What kind of excuses is that, john . Thats no excuse at all. It could have been cooked information for the russians to set up a social Media Campaign knowing what was of interest through manafort through the campaign. John dean, thank you. Thank you, don Rudy Giuliani is calling on Robert Mueller to release his report tonight. Show us what you got, put up or shut up. The big question is will we ever see muellers report . The unknown beyond the horizon. That was once our frontier. But today, a new frontier has risen. And this is the vehicle crafted to conquer it. Introducing the firstofitskind lexus ux and ux f sport, also available in hybrid allwheel drive. Experience amazing at your lexus dealer. When did sleep start requiring effort . What if it didnt have to . Each tempurpedic bed is made with advanced pressurerelieving material, so you get the deepest sleep youve had. Ever. Theres nothing like tempurpedic sleep. So you get the deepest sleep youve had. Ever. At first slice pizza lovers everywhere meet o, thats good frozen pizza one third of our classic crust is made with cauliflower but thats not stopping anyone o, thats good so Rudy Giuliani says Robert Mueller should put up or shut up. He got a lot more to say tonight. Jennifer rogers is here and ryan lizza, what should we talk about everyone. Ryan, i am going to start with you. I am going to play this clip a short time ago with chris. Dont you think it is fair whether he should conclude it or not, put up or shut up. He never denied us that access. It concludes and he puts out the report and we get it and see what it is. I always see this is a false argument of the idea that hes not showing us what he has. Lets do it. Hes got to finish. Over enough. What does that even mean . The whole strategy from Rudy Giuliani since day one is to cloud these issues to rally trumps supporters. Thats what we are talking about. And actively fight off impeachment. Rudy giuliani once he learned that mueller would abide by Justice Department guidelines, Rudy Giuliani has understood and purely a political fight and that the only venue that it is important is congress and potential impeachment and that is what he had his eyes on since day one. Jennifer, lets talk about this a little bit. While it was playing, i asked you the state attorney. U. S. Attorney. Would younger Rudy Giuliani take the advice of older Rudy Giuliani. I think you would get the tongue lashing from Rudy Giuliani, Rudy Giuliani suggesting for him to show his cards and end the investigation. So why . Do you agree with ryan that this is just his sort of get us spinning. Well, i think he knows that the end is coming. Mueller is starting to wrap up and there are a couple of areas left to do. Most of the things have started to resolve. He knows information is going to get out and there is going to be evidence of collusion between the campaign and the russians. Hes trying to get in front of that by saying okay maybe thats there and we dont know. We have to backup to when they realize there is evidence coming up. It is a brilliant strategy, dont you think . We get information and report manafort comes out, right . All of a sudden Rudy Giuliani comes on and he gets this whole chaos it is a brilliant strategy because it is almost like clock ward, dont you think . If he does it all the time. Some people may think that Rudy Giuliani lost it. It is a question, why does he want to hit the his historical the strategy is oh yeah of course the campaign may did a little collusion, thats just not the president. Thats where their defense is own. Thats moving the goal in a different way now. Basically Rudy Giuliani asked in my view, yes, there is collusion in the Trumps Campaign but not the boss man. Mueller is getting close and this is an act of desperation. Rudy giuliani is a Public Opinion person. In the court of law thats a whole different thing, the whole legal aspect, hes the Public Opinion guy. This is what he says, i am going to let you respond. He talks about making it public. Here it is. Whatever thats not compromised, should be made public. All the findings that the people could see from mueller, do you agree. You should get to go through it first. Is that a Fair Assessment . I should be able to respond. I have been misquoted also. How so . I dont want to change the report, i want to respond to the report. What about you . Dont you think it is fair that we get the opportunity to do that. Absolutely. I have no control of what muellers going to say. I have no control of national security. As his lawyer, i honestly like to see the whole report. Me too. I think jay and i can knock the hell out of him. Is that how it works . Before the report comes out, can you imagine going to court, before this Police Report and all this comes out, i need to respond to it. Go on. Well, three things, i want to say to wrap up the last conversation is important to note that several trumps spoke people during the campaign and his presidency have said there is no collusion whatsoever by anyone in the campaign. You can see people on record like hope hicks and shawn spicer and Kellyanne Conway saying unequivocally there is no collusion. Thats just putting an exclamation point. That goes further than the attorney general nominee has said. The idea they should res