I mean whats the reaction in washington been like . I think weve heard from a lot of law makers that theyre not surprised. Its stunning that he would continue to say what hes saying and have this view on this. That will always be shocking to people. I dont think people are surprised that he is doing it, that he is saying it the way hes saying it. Theyre not surprised hes going to continue to defend these actions. To me one of the most significant things in all of this is how he is undermining the fbi and the fbi and the Intelligence Community. And attorney general william barr. Hes undermining, consistently undermining them, knowing full well they have a different view of this. These are people investigating whether of this. He continues to undermine their thinking and really the laws that they feel have been broken and theyre investigating. Laura, lets bring you in because this is what jerry nadler tweeted out. It is shocking to hear the president say out right that is is willing to put himself in debt to a foreign power, not to mention foreign interference in an election part. Speak to the legality of what the president is saying and what are the implications of the president saying he would take help from a foreign adversary again . Well, first of all the idea of who among us wouldnt do this . Who among us wouldnt take the information is very concerning knowing its the head of the executive branch whose job it is to enforce the law of the land. The legality of the issue. There are clear rule oz on the books that say you cannot have a Foreign Government try to interfere with the American Election or provide some sort of influence on it. As a person in america you cant solicit that information from anybody because of those books. If you do, it could be qualified as a campaign contribution. What you would have had to pay for, in form of research or other services proovided to you but you got it for free. So oyou have the president of the United States already been named as individual number one in an fdny litigation involving Michael Cohen about Campaign Finance laws. You have them well aware of what happened in the wikileaks scandal. Saying can anyone find these mails and they come up. And now he hasnt learned much from the volume two of Mueller Report or even volume one, which suggests that you cannot be come in a Foreign Government attempts to interfere with the election. But as president of the United States have all that background and context and still say who among us wouldnt do this. It happens all the time. Why not me is surprising and should not pass. Josh, remember when the president said this during the campaign . Watch. Then well talk. Russia, if youre listening, i hope youre able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. Was tonight a similar invitation to interfere . Seems like theyre laying out the welcome mat. Words matter when youre a top tooer tier president ial candidate. And especially the president of the United States. And when you look back at robert mueller, his indictments 12 russians, he indicated the same day the president made that comment, asking russia to go after the 30,000 emails on the same day the russians began trying to hack Hillary Clintons office server. So words matter and the president knows that now. One thing interesting is you go back and look at that 350er idea period of time. And said this is h hyperbole. He didnt know better. He knows better now. If youre in Intelligence Services worth your salt and russia or china, youre convening meetings to figure out how you can interfere in the 2020 election. Because theyre laying out the welcome mat. The president said hes going to seek help but the fact hes willing to accept it should trouble all of us. This is from a foreign clint cannen White House Press secretary. Would someone pleasing a ruigate all the outrage republican statements and real Donald Trumps willingness to engage foreign powers against democrats and our democracy. Im sure there are too many to go through myself. Why is the media not reporting in . I think hes being facetious. Because everyone is so quiet. Where is the republican response . Why are they so quiet on this. Theyre terrified of him. This is a person who uses threats and punishment against everyone who cross him. Hes depp demonstrated he is the the alpha dog in american politics. Its his Republican Party now. And the same things thats been said and laura talked about how he sort of vilotting every norm and deciding that hes going to do whatever he can get away with and this is actually his method. He has always bun a person whos had his eye on am i going to be prosecuted for this behavior . In this case am i going to be impeached . So he cannot do the right thing here because hes already done the wrong thing. He dud the wrong thing in the campaign. And to go back and say i wouldnt take help from another country would be to open himself up to criticism in the first instance. So hes always thinking whats my Defense Strategy . Hes got to say what he said. If hes going to respond, he has instead of saying listen, im not going to talk questions. Or whatever no comment. He has got to double down because its a defense for what happened last time. And in defense for possibly what happens in the future. A defense for his sons. A defense for jared. A dedefense for everyone in the meeting. Were you listening in my office today . Just as the Republican Party is all in it too. And we do this every time and i sort of hate doing it. But imagine if that was the response from the former president in the white house . Any former. They would be going to the bunkers, were doing a special live show. Can you believe the president said this . No one is saying anything. This is something for nothing is sacred. His marriage vows arent sacred, his oath of office, the constitution, the oath of office, the vows of the United States isnt sacred. If its in his interest to break the vow, hell break it. So the Mueller Report says accepting a thing of value from a foreign country is against Campaign Finance law and i had have the Campaign Finance law here. It says Commission Regulations prohibit Foreign Nationals from directing dictating controlling or directly or indirectly participanting in the Decision Making process of any person with any election related activities. So whether the president says hes okay taking dirt from russia, wouldnt they dis gree with that if you look at the actual law . They would absolutely disagree. And the president could sit here today and say im going to listen and talk it. But lets say if he doesnt get elected and does take this information, we know where the fbi is on this. We know where a lot of u. S. Attorneys are on this. He is no longer the president if hes not elected. He could get indicted, he could get arrested. He needs think before hes willing to do this. Hes not going to have the power of the office to protect him as he does now from getting indicted. Do you think the president understands that accepting help from the russians puts him at risk of being manipulated by them . I think conceptualy he sees that as a possibility for ulkter other people but not as intellectually strong as he believes he is. He thinks hes immune to manipulation. He is simply doing what his gut tells him and his mind guides him to do. It is inconceivable that one could think they were not compromised in some way or being used as a puppet in a pawn by a Foreign Government for your own Intelligence Community has told you its trying to exploit and capitalize on. The issue of what simone is talk about. The idea of the Campaign Finance issue. The contribution. Opposition research can be considered a research. A contribution of value. That word value is so important. And others who will litigate the matters have had a difficult time really stapling down what it really means to be of value. Just ask john edwards about this notion. How funds paid to true to hide the notion of a pregnant mistress. Came up in this issue about this very notion. Its not always easy to tie that down. You have this idea of what Congress Needs to do now, don. There is clearly a gap between what we believe is unacceptable bebehavior, getting dirt from a Foreign National or government. And that which is actually considered be to illegal outside the Campaign Finance laws. Its another reason why Congress Needs all the Information Available to decide how they should legislate to protect us against the issue in the future. Stick around everybody. 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My view is if any public official or campaign is contacted by any nation state or anybody acting on behalf off a nation state about influencing or interfering with with our election, then thats something that the fbi would want to know about. What is it with him going after his own intelligence . Its a puzzling thing he continues to do. The fact he came out on abc news really to the world, this is his fbi director undercan cutting him, telling him hes wrong. This man investigating this. The fbi has said we have a lot of concern the russians are going toing continue to try to interfere, others may try. Its a big concern. And the fact he would undercut his fbi director, to me, is one of the most sniff can cant significant parts of what went on today with this interview. The fact he went out on National Television in the public and said that his fbi director is wrong. That is very, very bad. Josh, i have to tell you, you know jim baker, i had him on earlier. Former general counsel for the fbi. I asked him a similar question. He said if he were Christopher Ray or anyone, as a matter of fact, or barr, he would be trying to set up an appointment to meet with the president and tell him hes wrong on this issue and he needs change his mind. If youre anyone in the Intelligence Community, what are you thinking right flow . The president did two things. First he went on National Television and signalled to the country hes open to it potentially committing a crime in the future. Which is stunning. We know hes defended himself against allegations in the past. But to know what the law is and say he might still break the laws. Accepting information from a Foreign Government. Is astounding. The reason its important is because in 2017 they established a task force set up to combat foreign influence. So he went after their onedate saying thats not illegal. And the other thing relates to the fbi director undercutting the very person there to protect this country from foreign counterintelligence threats. If youre the fbi director there tr two options for you essentially. You can step up and speak to up and say this is wrong. I think doing so will help insure the public takes these allegations seriously. This comes down to Public Confidence in the institutions. If theyre quiet, hes signaling this isnt a big deal and to the public its not a big deal. The other option is to pack your bags. If youre in a jock where something has happened thats so egregious, thats an option is to leave, resign on principal. I dont think staying quiet right now is an option for this president. For this fbi director taz relates to this president. I want your view here. This comes down to basic civics to me. The president is the head of the executive branch of government. Their role is to enforce the law. You know there are laws on the books, you know you heard from special Counsel Robert Mueller who began his very short statement and ended the same way that there is a real concern about russian interference unour elections. States like florida and their governor have been alerted that there were attempts to interfere in their individual counties in their report. And explain later on. The president at one hand talks about in the Intelligence Community as being that, intelligent, as being able to convey american concerns. And preempt things like this. And when he undermines their objects, its challenging to understand his motivation. Is it a parent trying to protect his son. Is it him trying to double down . Or he fails to understand the very basic civics lesson which is your job is to enforce the law, not grease the wheels to make things illegal somehow okay. You know, michael, you have this directive from the president. President trump to investigating the investigators. Where does this all come from . This is him now owning the intelligence agencies. So hes now told the people that work with at the cia youre vulnerable to the president s whims. We understand that and the president requires people to hand over their, lets say, dignity to him. And some have done that. Rod rosenstein did that. Hes lost his dignity, his esteem in the eyes of the world by toting up to the president and doing his bidding. But others like james mattis did not. These are people who left rather than be amaskerated by the president. So this is a setting up i think a series of crisis, not only in his conflicts of congress but now within the administration there are people who should be independent minded and who we arent anymore. And we cant count count on to have the integrity that would defend us from a president out of control and this is fast becoming a presidency out of control. You mentioned the cia tonight. I want to talk to you about that. You know this report in the New York Times he mentioned. The Justice Department is now questioning cia officers as they reviewed this russia investigation. Which is troubling. Its troubling because its not you dont do this. The cia operates in their own world. And for the department of justice to start begin questioning cia agents, people who work there, questioning their work. Analysts. You know for me i think what all this comes down to is former cia director, john brennan. I know the president has been very unhappy with the way john brennan has behaved since he left office. I think it goes backing to that. Hes very concerned about the information and how some of the information the cia had really may not have been stood up. They couldnt verify a lot of the information. And certainly john brennan was sounding a lot of alarms to congress saying somethings going to on here. I know he was talking to people that fbi here. Concerned something was going on. But what were seeing from the attorney general right now is that hes saying they with were acting on a lot of information. That hes concerned was not verified. There was no there there. And perhaps they were over reacting and therefore caused other people to start reacting like the fbi and so its very this is were in an extremely unprecedented time in terms of when you have department of justice officials now, cia and, analysts. The fbi, Inspector General and doing its own review. Thats being done separately. This is really an unprecedented thing. The times, the Justice Department reviewed anxiety as in the ranks. Simone is mentioning here. I want to get your reaction what that might nene for how the future of investigations are conducted. I can see the anxiety. Because it goes back the genesis of this investigation. I think all of us agree oversight is important. Especially the powerful agencies. You have to have someone looking over their shoulder and reviewing their work. The problem is it goes back to william barr, or someone who has passed down in the minds of many in his own impa