Neck tie was in here. Did you sneak in my closet . No, i just never gave it back. I was hoping you wouldnt remember. I have not worn it sense. I said, if he came into this office, he better have worn gloves. Im the covid kid. Im negative and i have the antibodies. I dont feel bad now. This is as close as i could get because it was blue. So im really happy that you are back. You are always better dressed. You are always better looking. I couldnt even find a pocket square. Did you take my pocket square . No, this is my dads. I actually gave you a pocket square. You have been a tremendous friend. You always have been. I love you for who you are and how you are. You really took care of my family. Ill never forget it. Well, thank you very much. Can i Say Something as they work on there we go. Its up now, you can go now. Im kidding. They were working on my teleprompter. Can i Say Something sure, its your show. Were looking at these new models that are coming out and they should be concerning to everyone. You and i, you know, have both had a chance to be out. I had to work this weekend. I got into the city. I saw it looked like a normal sunday as i drove into the city this weekend. Saw people out. Many of them not Wearing Masks. And i was concerned about the numbers creeping back up. You would think with these new models coming out, and i saw dr. Anthony fauci on. He said, well, models are models. Ive heard dr. Gupta say, you know, no model is correct. I forget what he says, all of them are false or whatever, but they are a good guide. With all of these models coming out, you would think that the white house, the administration, especially the task force, that they would want to give the American People some information. Its been a week. Since we have heard from them. People are at home wondering whats happening. All of these places are opening back up. Theyre concerned about these models. Everyone i know has been asking me about these models. What is happening . Are the numbers actually creeping up . Were not hearing anything from the administration. Were not hearing anything from the task force. People have a right to know what is going on. Fauci and birx have been straight from the beginning that if you do this, youre gonna have more pain. Yeah. This is not about science, its about politics, and i got a news flash for you, this white house is not in the business of giving the American People bad news they cant blame on somebody else. Thats not why thats why youre not hearing about the models. The va hasnt put out numbers about how our veterans are fairing with covid in days. The websites down. Theyre not in the business of giving bad news they cant blame on somebody else. But heres what we know, don, to be fair to them, if you dont know that bad things are gonna happen when we reopen then youre not paying attention. Cant blame this all on them. We all know our reality. We all know our risk. Yeah. Everywhere i go now, brother, this, these, and gloves. And i carry the love that i have for you, and i stay home because i want people i want you to be safe and i did i do that for you and for people like you, you know what im saying . I do know exactly. All right. You are an american. I love you don lemon. I love you, too. Im happy that youre back and glad that youre safe and healthy and your family as well. Ill see you soon. This is cnn tonight. Im don lemon. Here is our breaking news, okay . And i want everyone to please Pay Attention to this. Because these are stark warnings tonight. The toll of the coronavirus in this country could get much, much worse. While we are acting like things are getting better, okay, it could get much, much worse. Were reopening states, at least 42 of them will be partially reopened by sunday. As if we could beat this virus thats killing thousands and thousands of americans by just acting as if everything is fine. Everything is not fine. Were not on the other side of this yet, okay . Please, please listen to me. More than 68,000 americans have died. More than 1,180,000 people have gotten sick. New predictions of just how high those numbers could go are a gut punch. The model often cited by the white house from the university of washington now forecasting 134,475 total deaths in the United States. This is by august 4th. Today is may 4th. August 4th is just three months away. Thats nearly double its previous prediction. Why have those numbers gone so high . I want you to listen to what the director of the institute behind the model tells Anderson Cooper and dr. Sanjay gupta. Theres clearly a huge relationship between how much people are out and about and how much transmission occurs, and it also means that when we cut mobility with social distancing, that was having a very beneficial effect on transmission. So no surprise, as people go back to being more active and interacting with each other, were going to see increased transmission. No surprise, he says. Yet the president is encouraging more states to reopen. And the thing is he may not see the results. We may not see the results of those reopenings for weeks. We still dont have the widespread testing the president promised nearly two months ago. Remember, anybody who needs a test can get a test . Anybody that needs a test gets a test. Theyre there. They have the tests. And the tests are beautiful. Beautiful. Were still not there. And that means we have no idea how many of us are Walking Around carrying the virus. Asymptomatic. No symptoms. Just spreaders. And potentially spreading it to others. If we make the wrong choices now, more people will die. A Trump Administration model projects a steep rise in the number of cases and deaths, up to 3,000 deaths per day by june. 3,000 americans per day. Less than one month from now. That according to the internal document obtained by the New York Times and confirmed by cnn. That model also predicting about 200,000 new cases each day by the end of the month. Yet the president , who has said that he is a cheerleader for the country, says this. Some states i think, frankly, arent going fast enough. I mean, you have some states that virginia, they want to close down until the middle of june, and a lot of things that theyre doing i really believe you can go to parks. You can go to beaches. You keep it, you know, you keep the spread, you stay away a certain amount, and i really think the public has been incredible with what theyre thats one of the reasons were successful. Thats one of the if you call losing 80,000 or 90,000 people successful, but its one of the reasons that were not at that high end of the plain as opposed to the low end. That number has changed, mr. President. Its going up. I used to say 65,000 and now im saying 80,000 or 90,000, and it goes up and it goes up rapidly. I think i misspoke. I think i said 200,000. No one corrected me. I caught that myself. That model also predicting 200,000. 200,000. Thats right, 200,000 new cases each day by the end of the month. Thats right. 200,000. So you acknowledge that the numbers are going up. The number of americans who are likely to die in the next weeks and months. And at the same time, you say you think some states arent opening up fast enough and you call your response to this deadly virus successful. Listen, i said this before and it bears repeating, okay . So i dont want anyone to get this wrong. Everybody, everybody wants the economy to reopen. Everyone does. This country is hurting. People are hurting. Millions of people are out of work. But we cannot afford to end the social distancing and stayathome orders that are theyre the only things that are working against the virus right now. Not until we have more testing and contact tracing. Without that we are just flying blind. Remember that the reason the modelers say that the projected number of dead went up is increased mobility. Meaning that more people moving around from place to place. So why is the treasury secretary out there encouraging americans to take trips around the country . This is a great time for people to explore america. A lot of people havent seen many parts of america. I wish i could get back on the road soon. Okay. So with all due respect to the treasury secretarys need to be the president s cheerleading squad, on the cheerleading squad, that is just not where we are right now. And coincidentally, maybe not the president , maybe not the president s traveling tomorrow, okay . Maybe its coincidence, maybe its not, but the president s traveling tomorrow, visiting a factory. A factory making n95 masks in phoenix. No word on whether he plans to wear a mask. I hope he reconsiders wearing one. It would set a really good example for the country. But i think wearing a face mask as i greet president s, prime ministers, dictators, kings, queens, i dont know, somehow i dont see it for myself. Maybe. It would be nice. Wouldnt it be nice if we saw the. Show up in a mask . It would set a great example. We shall see. Lets bring in our White House CorrespondentKaitlan Collins and dr. Larry brilliant. Hes an epidemiologist on the chair of the Advisory Committee ending pandemics. Okay. So thank you both for joining us. Dr. Brilliant, im going to start with you, because when we look at these new major projections and how much the estimates have changed, the truth is we have no idea how Many Americans are going to die from this virus. Nice to be with you, don. This is really a hard time. Its just theres no way to sugar coat it. If we dont open up the economy, we can feel the pressure. If we do open it up, we will feel the pain. And the it isnt that the models change anything. Theyre just looking at what is already happening and articulating it for us a little bit better and a little bit smarter. We all have felt this sense of dread that we werent getting to the bottom of this disease. That it was growing rapidly. It has explosive growth potential, unlike almost any virus ive seen except for measles. Were not quite aware of how bad this can be if we dont take it seriously. Kaitlan, these projections are really shocking. And we have barely started the grand reopening the president would like to see. How is the white house responding tonight . What are they saying . Well, theyre pushing back on this document talking about these projections of what this could look like by early june. Basically saying in a statement earlier that this is not a white house document. They said that it was not presented to the Coronavirus Task force and they say it hasnt gone through that interagency process vetting. So basically theyre distancing themselves from these figures and they say the data is not reflective of any of the modelling done by the task force or data that the task force has analyzed. And this comes, as we know, the white house has been really skeptical of some of these models, including the washington model, which is also revised up tonight, doubling its death toll as well to 135,000 deaths by august. So a lot of the models seem to be going up, but the white house, we should note, there has been a consistent faction inside that has expressed doubt to the president about what these models are going to look like. As you noted, you know, these models are not always accurate. In fact, i dont think theyre ever accurate. But as dr. Sawn jay says, theyre sometimes useful on looking what could happen. The question really is who can win out making the argument on whether or not they should trust the models or whether or not they should move forward . Tonight what were hearing from sources, don, is these latest models arent going affect the white houses current plans for reopening the country. Kaitlan, has anyone asked the strategy behind not giving the coronavirus briefings anymore . Well, the briefings they believed they only need to do them when they actually have positive updates, more news updates than what you had been seeing happen, when the president was coming out on a daily basis and fielding these questions. Because, a, a lot of people viewed them as problematic for the president , which is the last time we saw him took questions at one of the actual briefings in the Briefing Room how that devolved after the dhs official gave the presentation. The other thing we should note, theyre not just scaling back the briefings, don, theyre also scaling back the Coronavirus Task force meetings. Now, we are told one is scheduled for tomorrow, but theyre not meeting every single day for hours on end as they had been doing when it was first formed early on in the administration. So theres not a strategy to move on as if this is no longer a big deal . Because you one would think that today, considering the models and the questions that reporters and the country has about these models, that they would want to give the americans some answers about them. Well, think today what you saw with the models with the first document that we obtained where we saw what the numbers that they were looking at internally, that they were predicting that these numbers of not only deaths but also the cases you noted are going to go up significantly. They were still looking at those models and they were distancing themselves from it. But then the model they based a lot of their projections on that they used at the briefings before also revised its death toll up. Its not just one model showing Something Like this, its multiple models. The question is would it be helpful if someone like a dr. Birx came out, saw how she views this data. This has been her bread and butter throughout this. We should note people are still meeting within the administration. Got it. Its not clear when she would speak publicly next. Hey, dr. Brilliant, if you could give me a quick answer. Im not going to play the sound bite. Im not sure if you saw dr. Fauci on chris cuomo tonight. Are we asking people to accept a certain number of deaths . What if those deaths become theirs or their friends or loved ones, sitting next to the couch next to or the mom you call every day on the phone. What are we willing to exchange here in order to open up the economy . There is an absolute tradeoff between how fast you open up and how many more cases and how many more deaths follow, especially how mobile we are. Chris murray when he was describing one of the major movers in his model, he said its a mover, its the motion. Its how mobile we are, and thats the same thing as opening up. Thank you both. I appreciate it. New projections with numbers of cases and deaths soaring, but with more and more states starting to reopen now, who will pay the price and how high will it be . [anthony] hey mama, whats up . [mama] im confused. Confused about what, everything ok . Yeah, i only see one price on my phone bill. That doesnt sound confusing mama. Youre on tmobile, taxes and fees are included. Oh come on, theres always extra fees not on tmobile mama. Why cant all my bills be like this . I dont know mama. Bye mama, love you. Anthony . Umph at tmobile, taxes and fees are included. And right now, when you switch your family, get 4 lines of unlimited for just 35 a line. Show me what youre made of. So we showed it our people, sourcing and distributing more fresh food than anyone. We showed it our drivers helping grocers restock their shelves. We showed it how were donating millions of meals to those in need. We showed it how we helped thousands of restaurants convert to takeout and pop up markets. And how were encouraging all americans to take out to give back. Adversity came to town. So we looked it right in the eye. And it wont be us. That blinks first. Back with the new numbers on the coronavirus pandemic are staggering. The university of washington projecting 134,000 deaths in the United States by august 4th. Nearly double its last projection. The data now reflecting the early days of states beginning to reopen. Now, i want to bring in andy slavitt. He is a former acting administrator on the center for medicare and medicaid services. Andy, appreciate you joining us. Thank you so much. So, listen, you are very fired up about these new models out tonight and the impact that they have had on the decision that got made as a result of the earlier totals. Explain. Whats up . Well, look, the as dr. Brilliant said, people who put the models together, theyre laying on a set of assumptions, theyre doing a little bit of work. Its important for them to try to get information out there, but there is a political context behind this all, and when the president can go step forward and say, hey, guess what, its not gonna be that bad and its your model, you probably should step forward and say, you know what . This isnt the message that the model intends to send. When at the time the model came out, i talked to the person who put it together, fine gentleman, and put out the six or seven assumptions that were included in his analysis, and those assumptions were things that even at the time werent proving to be true. So when we have a president who is jumping on Wishful Thinking and we have a lot of people in this country who listen to the president , and they really do, we just dont want anybody to be misled because this isnt a political calculation. This should be something we all line up behind. You know the former new jersey governor is chris christie, and he he spoke to my colleague dana bash on her daily d. C. Podcast and he talked about the consequences of keeping the economy closed. Here it is, a bit of it. Well of course everybody wants to save every life they can, but the question is towards what end ultimately . Are there ways that we can thread the middle here to allow that there are gonna be deaths, and there are gonna be deaths no matter what, and if we can do things to keep people in the mode of Wearing Masks, of wearing gloves of, you know, distancing where appropriate. Weve got to let some of these folks get back to work because if we dont, were gonna destroy the american way of life and these families and it will be years and years before we can recover. Is that where we are essentially . Saying people are going to die either way and we have to open the economy . Well, look, hes not making a bad point. I dont think there is anybody in the country that doesnt want both our way of life back and to minimize the death toll. I think we should just assume there is positive intent here. The fallacy with what hes saying is the following. I wish we were choosing between two options, a good economy and loss of life. The reality is were not. Because what will make the economy good are what . Consumers feeling comfortable spending again. Businesses feeling comfortable hirin