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Has a stark warning about the economy. One of americas top vaccine experts is warning of dark days ahead if the u. S. Doesnt get control of this pandemic. Dr. Rick bright who was recently demoted from his government post in a possible act of retaliation is scheduled to testify on thursday to congress. According to a preview of his prepared statements, he will tell lawmakers about hard truths. Our window of opportunity is closing if we fail to develop a National Coordinated response based in science, i fear the pandemic will get far worse and be prolonged causing unprecedented illness and fatalities. Without clear planning and implementation of the steps that i and other experts have outlined, 2020 will be the darkest winter in modern history. Dr. Brights testimony may not sit well with the white house just as President Trump took issue with dr. Anthony faucis testimony on tuesday. Fauci said it would be unlikely for schools to return to normal later this year. The idea of having treatments available or a vaccine to facilitate the reentry of students into the fall term would be something that would be a bit of a bridge too far. And we get more now from cnns Kaitlyn Collins at the white house. Reporter well, President Trump on wednesday offered his most direct criticism yet of dr. An thee any fauci, the nations top Infectious Disease expert who, of course, is one of his Top Health Experts during the coronavirus pandemic saying he disagreed with dr. Fauci after he testified before the senate a day earlier. The president said he found the answer he gave on opening schools unacceptable. He believed dr. Fauci was playing all sides of the equation. When he was asked what he meant specifically by that, the president pointed to what he said about schools. He didnt say specifically which comment fauci had made that it was that he disagreed with so vehemently. We know that fauci told senators he believed there would not be a vaccine ready by the time students are returning for the Academic Year in the fall if they are to be returning, but he later clarified he does not think that they are tied together, that you have to have a vaccine in order for schools to reopen. Another comment he made was in response to a question by senator rand paul, one of the president s allies who of course is recovering from coronavirus when he was making the argument for reopening schools because kids have not had as great of an effect from coronavirus as adults have. Dr. Fauci pushed back saying theres a lot of unknowns about the disease. He did not want to say point blank that it was okay for children to go back to school yet because there is so much to be learned including the inflammatory disease striking several hundred kids throughout the United States. All of this comes as we have new reporting that the president and top aides have questioned the way the cdc and other Health Organizations are counting the number of coronavirus deaths here in the United States. Were told that they think they may be over counting them and they may not be a reliable indicator for making decisions about reopening the count count. Dr. Fauci said the death count was almost certainly higher than whats being reported now. Kaitlyn collins, cnn, the white house. Joining me to discuss this is dr. Amy compton phillips, a cnn medical analyst and chief medical officer at Providence Health system. Thank you so much for talking with us. Pleasure. So we just heard that Administration Officials are privately questioning the coronavirus death toll after dr. Fauci testified the count is probably underreported. Whats the scientific reasoning of why the death toll is likely higher than we think and why is it important that we know that real number . With the back logs weve had in testing, some people with symptoms havent been able to access a test or theyre in a part of the country without easy access to care. They stay at home with a cough and shortness of breath and pass away there. Also in elderly people it seems the symptoms tend to be a little less discrete so people dont feel good, just general malaise and they die. Not the same cough, fever, shortness of breath that others get. What happens is people end up dying in other places without getting the test. But its why you saw new york city start to look at death rates this year compared to previous years and seeing the difference in death rates and thats how they were counting excess deaths from undiagnosed covid. Thats what dr. Fauci was referring to, that were missing some of these cases for people who simply arent accessing care today. Right. President trump also criticized dr. Fauci for cautioning against sending children back to schools and universities too early while theres no vaccine available emphasizing they are vulnerable as well. President trump insists its only the aged and those with Underlying Health issues that are vulnerable. Who should we listen to, the scientist or the politician . How do you decide when it is best to send kids back to school when we may not have a vaccine until next year . You know, it is so critical to listen to the scientists and to give voice to the scientists. One thing in this epidemic that we have never seen before in the u. S. Is the muzzling of people with expertise. You saw it in the quashing of the cdc report and how to get people back to work safely because for some reason it wasnt seen as politically palatable. Just ensuring that we have the capacity to listen to the experts, the people who study the epidemiologyand know howto keep us safe, its essential for us to be able to hear that and use that truth to guide our path forward. For some reason were in this very odd moment when were not allowing people with expertise to speak that truth and so were not able to use it to guide us rationally. Yeah. Were also learning more about this virus as we go along, arent we . Two new studies reveal that covid19 attacks not only the lung, but the brain, kidney, liver, tongue, toes. How do we strike the balance between health and economics . You know, i think we do things rationally, logically, slowly, progressively. In fact, what the white house guidelines say about opening the country are a rational path forward. Theyre not very specific. They dont give us much guidance, which is what that cdc report that isnt getting released does, specifically tell you how do you open a store . How do you open a school safely, rationally. Somehow wanting to take short cuts were missing that guidance. We know people shouldnt have to make a decision and we need to do both. We need to do the former guided by the science of the latter. Doctor, were learning thousands of people are volunteering to be exposed to covid19 to speed up the effort to find and distribute a vaccine for the virus. This is called a human challenge study. This is a controlled study where humans are given the vaccine and then deliberately exposed to the pathogen via viral spray or other means. Does this global emergency justify taking the risks to save many more lives . This is one of those moments when i am just continuously amazed at the goodness people have wanting to help their neighbor, right . Wanting to help everybody else. Its the same reason people donate plasma. Everybody wants to find a cure and theyre willing to put theirselves at risk to do so. Any time during this study we have informed consent and say these are the risks and these are the benefits. People would willingly do this. The reason it makes a vaccine trial much faster is because normally you have to observe people. You give the test vaccine to a group and then other people dont get it and then you watch them over time and see who potentially gets exposed, what are the statistics. That can honestly take a couple years. The fact that youre actually getting the vaccine and then exposing them to the virus, you learn very quickly how well that vaccine works. And thats why it really short circuits it. So it is ethical, but you have to really make sure people understand what theyre signing up for because theres real and legitimate risk to everybody involved. Incredible risk, but if this can actually speed up the process, a lot of people would be very thankful to those volunteers. Dr. Amy compton phillips, thank you very much. Appreciate it as always. Thank you so much for having me. A preliminary study from New York University says the Virus Testing kits praised by President Trump and used by the white house frequently give the wrong results. The University Says the rate of false negatives makes abbotts 15 minute i. D. Now test unacceptable in its clinics. Cnns dr. Sanjay gupta says even a small rate of wrong results could be dangerous. This is a study that came out of nyu, they looked at 30, 35 samples, somewhere in there. The failure rate is concerning. Abbott has commented on this saying theyre looking into it. Maybe the tests werent being performed correctly. This is obviously a significant sort of test because it could give results really quickly. If youre waiting days for your test results and you end up having the virus and youre out there spreading it, thats concerning. This can give results in 15 minutes. Even before this study which still needs to be peer reviewed, abbott needs to look into this more, there were studies that said they could have a false negative rate of 15 to 25 . If 100 people have the infection, they all get the test. If you have a falls negative rate of 15 , 15 people are told you dont have the virus, they actually do. If you are in a hospital and they get put into a covid negative part of the hospital, now they spread it. Obviously were talking about states opening up. People out there out and about potentially 13red ispreading. This is a big concern. People can spread this without symptoms. They have no other barometer to test other than by this test. If its wrong, thats a problem. The drug maker insists its test has a High Accuracy rate. According to abbott, more than 1,000 sites are using the i. D. Now test to screen for covid19. Now to wisconsin where the state Supreme Court has overturned wisconsins stay at home order ruling it unlawful and unenforceable. The result, several bars near milwaukee immediately reopened for business after the court ruling and folks there are speaking out. I have a toddler at home and im a fulltime nurse so its been very stressful and hard to not be able to go out and meet with my friends be and family at the bars. Are you concerned about possibly getting coronavirus from being inside of a bar tonight . No, i dont think that the risk presents any higher than me going to a grocery store. The courts decision is a big win for the republican Led Legislature which argued the order would cost jobs and hurt many companies. The court rules that democratic governor overstepped his authority when the States Health department extended the order to may 26th. Governor evers told cnns don lemon said the court ruling puts his state into chaos. The republicans, theyve worked with them and they have provided no plan. Even when they went to the Supreme Court they said they had a plan. Havent seen it and now we have no plan and we have no protections for the people of wisconsin. This will cause us to have spikes across the state, theres no question about it. When you have more people in a small space, i dont care if its bars, restaurants, or your home, youre going to be able to spread the virus. So now today thanks to the republican legislators who convinced four Supreme Court justices to not look at the law but look at their political careers, i guess, it was its a bad day for wisconsin. Its the wild west. And while the death toll in the u. S. Exceeds 84,000, almost every state is pushing ahead with plans to reopen. Erica hill has the details. Reporter shopping, restaurants, the beach. Signs of precovid life returning as experts warn the virus itself may be here to stay. This virus may become just another endemic virus in our communities and this virus may never go away. Reporter the cdc preparing to alert doctors to a new inflammatory illness to children which can present weeks after the virus. We just have to remember, we have more to learn about the virus than we have yet learned. Reporter new york state is now investigating more than 100 cases prompting new questions about what school could look like this fall if children can return to the classroom. Probably smaller classrooms, more distancindistancing. Teacher probably wearing a mask. I have 39 kids in my classroom one year. How are you going to socially distance 39 kids . Reporter across the Country Grocery prices rising to their highest levels in nearly 50 years. New cases in georgia and south carolina, two of the first states to reopen, mostly flat over the past week. South dakota boasting some of the highest spikes along with arkansas and delaware. New orleans was a major hot spot allowing some businesses told to keep customers Contact Information for 21 days to aid with potential Contact Tracing as a push for a measured approach continues. Opening up prematurely just sets us up for big outbreaks which will force us to shut down again. If you care about not being shut down, we should really let science drive how we open up safely. Reporter washington, d. C. , extending its stay at home order today through june 8th. Colorados Tourism Office asking visitors to stay home as miami beach has a plan to reopen more than 1600 businesses and restaurants. Every day that we keep these folks out of business it prolongs not just the economic suffering but the suffering of the families that work at the establishments. Arizona and florida announcing professional sports can return to their states. Theres been reports that Major League Soccer may want to have their season in orlando. Do it. We want to have you here. We want to have the basketball practicing again. We would love to have the major League Baseball. Reporter new cnn polling Shows Americans are split on whether players should suit up. Locally some teams are experimenting with socially distant basketball. Its weird. Yeah, definitely doesnt feel normal. Reporter disinfectant in the dugout, distant umpires and fans. Weird but worth it. More and more states announcing plans for reopening in new jersey. Governor phil murphy said people can start to gather together in large groups in their vehicles. Hes talking about things like drive in movie theaters and worship services. If your vehicle is closer than six feet to the one next to you, your windows, your sun roof, if youre in a convertible the top of that car need to remain closed. You are watching cnn newsroom. Still to come, as people in england gradually return to work, there are questions over how safe it is to do so. We will be live in london. Back in a moment. Its a great escape. So many Great Stories from amazing people. It makes me want to be better. It changes your perspective. It makes you a different person. See what listening to audible can do for you. I got this Mountain Bike for only 11. Dealdash. Com, the fair and honest bidding site. An ipad worth 505, was sold for less than 24; a playstation 4 for less than 16; and a schultz 4k television for less than 2. I won these bluetooth headphones for 20. I got these three suitcases for less than 40. And shipping is always free. Go to dealdash. Com right now and see how much you can save. Welcome back, everyone. The European Commission has a plan to get planes back in the air for summer travel. It unveiled sweeping guidelines for social distancing, Contact Tracing across borders and travel bubbles between countries wherein effection rates are low, but the e. U. s blueprint to save the Summer Season might not help. The International Air transport association doesnt expect the industry to return to 2019 levels until 2023. Meanwhile, tui, the worlds biggest travel operator, warns it could layoff 8,000 employees. Ultimately, the e. U. Transport commissioners message, travel at your own risk. Well, as some people in england start work for a second day since restrictions were eased, there are fears over their health as well as the health of the british economy. Theyre raising concerns of a potential second spike in infections while the finance minister is warning of a significant recession this year. Nina does santos joins us now from london. Good to see you, nina. Its a very difficult balance to strike, isnt it, between health and economics. Not all governments are getting this right. What are people across england saying about their experience so far as they emerge from their lockdown . Reporter well, its interesting, rosemary. You were talking about the European Commission there, which especially when it comes to leisure travel, travel very much at your own risk. Its your decision. People in the u. K. Are desperate to get back to work after the seven week long lockdown. The government is desperate to help them crank the economy back into action. Boris johnson has been accused of going too soon. He hit the air waves from a recorded speech that appeared to tell people to get back to work straightaway, then it emerged it wasnt actually monday morning they were going to get back to work on. New restrictions coming into place from wednesday, but the problem is especially across the british capitol, theres only the public transport to keep them safe. So huge scenes of crammed buses, subway system operating at under capacity that couldnt keep people from being crammed into Railway Carriages themselves. Then, of course, there are other parts of the country and other parts of the capital that saw trains running empty. It just gives you an idea of the massive National Coordinated<\/a> response based in science, i fear the pandemic will get far worse and be prolonged causing unprecedented illness and fatalities. Without clear planning and implementation of the steps that i and other experts have outlined, 2020 will be the darkest winter in modern history. Dr. Brights testimony may not sit well with the white house just as President Trump<\/a> took issue with dr. Anthony faucis testimony on tuesday. Fauci said it would be unlikely for schools to return to normal later this year. The idea of having treatments available or a vaccine to facilitate the reentry of students into the fall term would be something that would be a bit of a bridge too far. And we get more now from cnns Kaitlyn Collins<\/a> at the white house. Reporter well, President Trump<\/a> on wednesday offered his most direct criticism yet of dr. An thee any fauci, the nations top Infectious Disease<\/a> expert who, of course, is one of his Top Health Experts<\/a> during the coronavirus pandemic saying he disagreed with dr. Fauci after he testified before the senate a day earlier. The president said he found the answer he gave on opening schools unacceptable. He believed dr. Fauci was playing all sides of the equation. When he was asked what he meant specifically by that, the president pointed to what he said about schools. He didnt say specifically which comment fauci had made that it was that he disagreed with so vehemently. We know that fauci told senators he believed there would not be a vaccine ready by the time students are returning for the Academic Year<\/a> in the fall if they are to be returning, but he later clarified he does not think that they are tied together, that you have to have a vaccine in order for schools to reopen. Another comment he made was in response to a question by senator rand paul, one of the president s allies who of course is recovering from coronavirus when he was making the argument for reopening schools because kids have not had as great of an effect from coronavirus as adults have. Dr. Fauci pushed back saying theres a lot of unknowns about the disease. He did not want to say point blank that it was okay for children to go back to school yet because there is so much to be learned including the inflammatory disease striking several hundred kids throughout the United States<\/a>. All of this comes as we have new reporting that the president and top aides have questioned the way the cdc and other Health Organizations<\/a> are counting the number of coronavirus deaths here in the United States<\/a>. Were told that they think they may be over counting them and they may not be a reliable indicator for making decisions about reopening the count count. Dr. Fauci said the death count was almost certainly higher than whats being reported now. Kaitlyn collins, cnn, the white house. Joining me to discuss this is dr. Amy compton phillips, a cnn medical analyst and chief medical officer at Providence Health<\/a> system. Thank you so much for talking with us. Pleasure. So we just heard that Administration Officials<\/a> are privately questioning the coronavirus death toll after dr. Fauci testified the count is probably underreported. Whats the scientific reasoning of why the death toll is likely higher than we think and why is it important that we know that real number . With the back logs weve had in testing, some people with symptoms havent been able to access a test or theyre in a part of the country without easy access to care. They stay at home with a cough and shortness of breath and pass away there. Also in elderly people it seems the symptoms tend to be a little less discrete so people dont feel good, just general malaise and they die. Not the same cough, fever, shortness of breath that others get. What happens is people end up dying in other places without getting the test. But its why you saw new york city start to look at death rates this year compared to previous years and seeing the difference in death rates and thats how they were counting excess deaths from undiagnosed covid. Thats what dr. Fauci was referring to, that were missing some of these cases for people who simply arent accessing care today. Right. President trump also criticized dr. Fauci for cautioning against sending children back to schools and universities too early while theres no vaccine available emphasizing they are vulnerable as well. President trump insists its only the aged and those with Underlying Health<\/a> issues that are vulnerable. Who should we listen to, the scientist or the politician . How do you decide when it is best to send kids back to school when we may not have a vaccine until next year . You know, it is so critical to listen to the scientists and to give voice to the scientists. One thing in this epidemic that we have never seen before in the u. S. Is the muzzling of people with expertise. You saw it in the quashing of the cdc report and how to get people back to work safely because for some reason it wasnt seen as politically palatable. Just ensuring that we have the capacity to listen to the experts, the people who study the epidemiologyand know howto keep us safe, its essential for us to be able to hear that and use that truth to guide our path forward. For some reason were in this very odd moment when were not allowing people with expertise to speak that truth and so were not able to use it to guide us rationally. Yeah. Were also learning more about this virus as we go along, arent we . Two new studies reveal that covid19 attacks not only the lung, but the brain, kidney, liver, tongue, toes. How do we strike the balance between health and economics . You know, i think we do things rationally, logically, slowly, progressively. In fact, what the white house guidelines say about opening the country are a rational path forward. Theyre not very specific. They dont give us much guidance, which is what that cdc report that isnt getting released does, specifically tell you how do you open a store . How do you open a school safely, rationally. Somehow wanting to take short cuts were missing that guidance. We know people shouldnt have to make a decision and we need to do both. We need to do the former guided by the science of the latter. Doctor, were learning thousands of people are volunteering to be exposed to covid19 to speed up the effort to find and distribute a vaccine for the virus. This is called a human challenge study. This is a controlled study where humans are given the vaccine and then deliberately exposed to the pathogen via viral spray or other means. Does this global emergency justify taking the risks to save many more lives . This is one of those moments when i am just continuously amazed at the goodness people have wanting to help their neighbor, right . Wanting to help everybody else. Its the same reason people donate plasma. Everybody wants to find a cure and theyre willing to put theirselves at risk to do so. Any time during this study we have informed consent and say these are the risks and these are the benefits. People would willingly do this. The reason it makes a vaccine trial much faster is because normally you have to observe people. You give the test vaccine to a group and then other people dont get it and then you watch them over time and see who potentially gets exposed, what are the statistics. That can honestly take a couple years. The fact that youre actually getting the vaccine and then exposing them to the virus, you learn very quickly how well that vaccine works. And thats why it really short circuits it. So it is ethical, but you have to really make sure people understand what theyre signing up for because theres real and legitimate risk to everybody involved. Incredible risk, but if this can actually speed up the process, a lot of people would be very thankful to those volunteers. Dr. Amy compton phillips, thank you very much. Appreciate it as always. Thank you so much for having me. A preliminary study from New York University<\/a> says the Virus Testing<\/a> kits praised by President Trump<\/a> and used by the white house frequently give the wrong results. The University Says<\/a> the rate of false negatives makes abbotts 15 minute i. D. Now test unacceptable in its clinics. Cnns dr. Sanjay gupta says even a small rate of wrong results could be dangerous. This is a study that came out of nyu, they looked at 30, 35 samples, somewhere in there. The failure rate is concerning. Abbott has commented on this saying theyre looking into it. Maybe the tests werent being performed correctly. This is obviously a significant sort of test because it could give results really quickly. If youre waiting days for your test results and you end up having the virus and youre out there spreading it, thats concerning. This can give results in 15 minutes. Even before this study which still needs to be peer reviewed, abbott needs to look into this more, there were studies that said they could have a false negative rate of 15 to 25 . If 100 people have the infection, they all get the test. If you have a falls negative rate of 15 , 15 people are told you dont have the virus, they actually do. If you are in a hospital and they get put into a covid negative part of the hospital, now they spread it. Obviously were talking about states opening up. People out there out and about potentially 13red ispreading. This is a big concern. People can spread this without symptoms. They have no other barometer to test other than by this test. If its wrong, thats a problem. The drug maker insists its test has a High Accuracy<\/a> rate. According to abbott, more than 1,000 sites are using the i. D. Now test to screen for covid19. Now to wisconsin where the state Supreme Court<\/a> has overturned wisconsins stay at home order ruling it unlawful and unenforceable. The result, several bars near milwaukee immediately reopened for business after the court ruling and folks there are speaking out. I have a toddler at home and im a fulltime nurse so its been very stressful and hard to not be able to go out and meet with my friends be and family at the bars. Are you concerned about possibly getting coronavirus from being inside of a bar tonight . No, i dont think that the risk presents any higher than me going to a grocery store. The courts decision is a big win for the republican Led Legislature<\/a> which argued the order would cost jobs and hurt many companies. The court rules that democratic governor overstepped his authority when the States Health<\/a> department extended the order to may 26th. Governor evers told cnns don lemon said the court ruling puts his state into chaos. The republicans, theyve worked with them and they have provided no plan. Even when they went to the Supreme Court<\/a> they said they had a plan. Havent seen it and now we have no plan and we have no protections for the people of wisconsin. This will cause us to have spikes across the state, theres no question about it. When you have more people in a small space, i dont care if its bars, restaurants, or your home, youre going to be able to spread the virus. So now today thanks to the republican legislators who convinced four Supreme Court<\/a> justices to not look at the law but look at their political careers, i guess, it was its a bad day for wisconsin. Its the wild west. And while the death toll in the u. S. Exceeds 84,000, almost every state is pushing ahead with plans to reopen. Erica hill has the details. Reporter shopping, restaurants, the beach. Signs of precovid life returning as experts warn the virus itself may be here to stay. This virus may become just another endemic virus in our communities and this virus may never go away. Reporter the cdc preparing to alert doctors to a new inflammatory illness to children which can present weeks after the virus. We just have to remember, we have more to learn about the virus than we have yet learned. Reporter new york state is now investigating more than 100 cases prompting new questions about what school could look like this fall if children can return to the classroom. Probably smaller classrooms, more distancindistancing. Teacher probably wearing a mask. I have 39 kids in my classroom one year. How are you going to socially distance 39 kids . Reporter across the Country Grocery<\/a> prices rising to their highest levels in nearly 50 years. New cases in georgia and south carolina, two of the first states to reopen, mostly flat over the past week. South dakota boasting some of the highest spikes along with arkansas and delaware. New orleans was a major hot spot allowing some businesses told to keep customers Contact Information<\/a> for 21 days to aid with potential Contact Tracing<\/a> as a push for a measured approach continues. Opening up prematurely just sets us up for big outbreaks which will force us to shut down again. If you care about not being shut down, we should really let science drive how we open up safely. Reporter washington, d. C. , extending its stay at home order today through june 8th. Colorados Tourism Office<\/a> asking visitors to stay home as miami beach has a plan to reopen more than 1600 businesses and restaurants. Every day that we keep these folks out of business it prolongs not just the economic suffering but the suffering of the families that work at the establishments. Arizona and florida announcing professional sports can return to their states. Theres been reports that Major League Soccer<\/a> may want to have their season in orlando. Do it. We want to have you here. We want to have the basketball practicing again. We would love to have the major League Baseball<\/a>. Reporter new cnn polling Shows Americans<\/a> are split on whether players should suit up. Locally some teams are experimenting with socially distant basketball. Its weird. Yeah, definitely doesnt feel normal. Reporter disinfectant in the dugout, distant umpires and fans. Weird but worth it. More and more states announcing plans for reopening in new jersey. Governor phil murphy said people can start to gather together in large groups in their vehicles. Hes talking about things like drive in movie theaters and worship services. If your vehicle is closer than six feet to the one next to you, your windows, your sun roof, if youre in a convertible the top of that car need to remain closed. You are watching cnn newsroom. Still to come, as people in england gradually return to work, there are questions over how safe it is to do so. We will be live in london. Back in a moment. Its a great escape. So many Great Stories<\/a> from amazing people. It makes me want to be better. It changes your perspective. It makes you a different person. See what listening to audible can do for you. I got this Mountain Bike<\/a> for only 11. Dealdash. Com, the fair and honest bidding site. An ipad worth 505, was sold for less than 24; a playstation 4 for less than 16; and a schultz 4k television for less than 2. I won these bluetooth headphones for 20. I got these three suitcases for less than 40. And shipping is always free. Go to dealdash. Com right now and see how much you can save. Welcome back, everyone. The European Commission<\/a> has a plan to get planes back in the air for summer travel. It unveiled sweeping guidelines for social distancing, Contact Tracing<\/a> across borders and travel bubbles between countries wherein effection rates are low, but the e. U. s blueprint to save the Summer Season<\/a> might not help. The International Air<\/a> transport association doesnt expect the industry to return to 2019 levels until 2023. Meanwhile, tui, the worlds biggest travel operator, warns it could layoff 8,000 employees. Ultimately, the e. U. Transport commissioners message, travel at your own risk. Well, as some people in england start work for a second day since restrictions were eased, there are fears over their health as well as the health of the british economy. Theyre raising concerns of a potential second spike in infections while the finance minister is warning of a significant recession this year. Nina does santos joins us now from london. Good to see you, nina. Its a very difficult balance to strike, isnt it, between health and economics. Not all governments are getting this right. What are people across england saying about their experience so far as they emerge from their lockdown . Reporter well, its interesting, rosemary. You were talking about the European Commission<\/a> there, which especially when it comes to leisure travel, travel very much at your own risk. Its your decision. People in the u. K. Are desperate to get back to work after the seven week long lockdown. The government is desperate to help them crank the economy back into action. Boris johnson has been accused of going too soon. He hit the air waves from a recorded speech that appeared to tell people to get back to work straightaway, then it emerged it wasnt actually monday morning they were going to get back to work on. New restrictions coming into place from wednesday, but the problem is especially across the british capitol, theres only the public transport to keep them safe. So huge scenes of crammed buses, subway system operating at under capacity that couldnt keep people from being crammed into Railway Carriages<\/a> themselves. Then, of course, there are other parts of the country and other parts of the capital that saw trains running empty. It just gives you an idea of the massive Herculean Task<\/a> that they have here in terms of sort of planning out how to reopen things in a safe and orderly manner. And this is where i come to the fact that other parts of the u. K. Are doing things very differently. Boris johnson doesnt have full jurisdiction on Public Health<\/a> on other parts like scotland, ireland, northern wales. They say its too dangerous to reopen things. Their message is stay home, not stay alert. As you pointed out in your introduction there, rosemary, its all about balancing the shock to the economy. We know the finance minister has said that the u. K. s probably already now inside a pretty swift and pronounced recession. How can they temper that while still preventing a second spike in infections and keeping people safe . Thats the high wire act Boris Johnson<\/a> is currently trying to pull off, rosemary. Nina dost santdos santos joi us live. Millions of americans filing for unemployment benefits. The latest on the u. S. Economy. Thats coming up. These days staying connected is more important than ever. So were working 24 7 to maintain a reliable network, to meet your growing internet needs. Were helping customers who are experiencing Financial Difficulties<\/a> stay connected. Were increasing internet speeds for low income families in our internet essentials program. And delivering selfinstall kits to your door. Nos comprometemos a mantenerte conectado. Were committed to keeping you connected. For more information on how you can stay connected, visit xfinity. Com prepare. Theres still so much we dont know about covid19, but researchers at the university of pennsylvania have discovered the droplets from the mouth of someone infected can linger in the air for more than eight minutes. The study found talking loudly for just one minute in a confined space could generate 1,000 droplets. This animation from Purdue University<\/a> shows how tiny droplets from a single cough can spread through the cabin of a passenger jet. And its findings like these that make effective Contact Tracing<\/a> a key tool in combatting coronavirus. Cnns tom foreman shows how it works and why some arent on board with the process. Reporter a viral hot spot erupts in a south korean nightclub district. Dozens come down with covid19 and quickly authorities trace the origin to one man. How did they find him . They analyzed the gps signal on his phone and saw everyone he had been near. In china millions are being watched in a similar fashion and now in the u. S. , too, vigorous efforts are yu7underway to expa Contact Tracing<\/a>. In new orleans, anyone eating in a restaurant should hand over their information. Restaurants should retain the name and Contact Number<\/a> for over 21 days. Reporter Contact Tracing<\/a> whether through electronic apps or contact with patients consist of sorting out the network of an infected person. Health Officials Say<\/a> it certainly works. This japanese experiment a group of diners were unaware one had an invisible paint on their hands. When a special light was turned on, it was clear how many had been infected. Real world experiments shows the same thing. One diner in a restaurant infecting nine others nearby. An outbreak jumping from one worker to the next to the next. I want to strongly encourage you to participate in the Contact Tracing<\/a> program. Reporter so many government officials argue Contact Tracing<\/a> is essential. It is the next major step in our effort to defeat the covid virus. Reporter but privacy advocates say the same tools for tracking the virus could be used to discover political activity, religious affiliations, private relationships. A Washington Post<\/a> poll found nearly three in five americans say they are either unable or unwilling to use the infection alert system under development by google and apple. Trust really matters in combatting a pandemic and people wont feel trusting of the system if its not based on a Public Health<\/a> need and there are not very robust privacy and security protections built into any tool that we might use. Cnns tom for man reporting there. New unemployment numbers expected in the coming hours and its not going to be good. Economists expect another 2. 5 million americans would have filed firsttime claims last week. That would bring the total number filed since mid march to 36 million. Federal reserve chairman Jerome Powell<\/a> says the Unemployment Rate<\/a> is likely to peak in the coming month before declining. His warning of dire consequences if lawmakers dont step up relief efforts, his comments rattled wall street and all three major indices closed in the red. The dow saw its steepest selloff since the start of the month. Katheryn rampell joins us. Thank you so much for being with us. Great to be here. So the markets didnt like it. Federal reserve chairman Jerome Powell<\/a> made it clear wednesday it will be a long road back to economic recovery and the burden of this crisis has fallen most heavily on the least able to bear it. Lets listen to what hes said. Among people who were working in february, almost 40 in those in households making less than 40,000 a year lost a job in march. This reversal of economic fortune has caused a level of pain that is hard to capture in words. Well, the Trump Administration<\/a> has made it clear there will be no new economic package for now at least. Where is this going and what needs to be done . I think what we heard from chairman j. Powell was an unmistakable call for more stimulus. Basically he was asking congress, the white house to step up to provide more aid to families, businesses, states, localities because if you look at the forecasts right now, in the absence of that aid, the pain is almost unimaginable. Yeah. Of course, we will see new jobless numbers in just a few hours from now. What can we expect . Could this force the hand of the Trump Administration<\/a> to do more to help those suffering under the burden of this pandemic . I think we should expect more people unemployed. The numbers that weve seen so far probably do not capture the full extent of the pain because theres still been difficulty where people actually applied for unemployment benefits, for example. So we know the numbers are huge but we dont know who theyre leaving out and how many of those people might be counted belatedly. Will it force the hand of the Trump Administration<\/a> is an interesting question. Both President Trump<\/a> as well as Republican Leadership<\/a> in the legislature have said that theyre not in a rush right now to aid American Families<\/a> or businesses or others who were calling out for help. Its a little bit hard to know to what extent thats just a political posture, right . They want to play hard ball and extract more concessions from the democrats, including things like more of a liability shield for corporations. Senate Majority Leader Mitch Mcconnell<\/a> has called for that and to what extent they genuinely dont believe that its the governments roll here to try to provide assistance. What trump has been calling for, of course, is to just reopen the economy. He thinks the best way to heal the economic pain that we have right now is to lift more of these lockdown orders, to get people back to work. Which sounds like a simple enough solution, of course, but as the United States<\/a> has seen, as other countries have seen, its a lot more complicated than that, even if you lift these lockdown orders and if miraculously you dont have a resurgence of infections, you still will find customers are afraid to go out. Theyre afraid to go out and shop. Businesses are not clear about what kinds of safe work conditions they can provide to their employees. So its not only the lockdowns themselves, of course, that are holding back economic activity, its all of the uncertainty about how big the risk is out there. If you look at the Economic Data<\/a> preceding these lockdowns, the things like consumer spending, hours worked, those were already falling dramatically before the official stateordered shutdowns which implayed that even when the shutdowns lift you still wont have things bounced back as they were. I think thats basically what the Trump Administration<\/a> is counting on. And just ask people to carry on as normal or to return to normal, that will happen and, therefore, that will obviate the need for more fiscal help. The fed chief indicated that it could be a long, slow journey back to economic health. Is that the view shared by most Economic Experts<\/a> . So the forecasts are all over the map. A lot of them are predicting that the Unemployment Rate<\/a> will continue to rise in the next month, possibly in the next several months but then beyond that you will see some reversal, some healing in any event that the economy will begin to recover. Again, theres a lot of uncertainty about what that recovery will look like. It assumes, a, there will be more fiscal aid that is extended to families, to states. A lot of these forecasts are based on that assumption. B, it assumes you wont have a second wave of infections that will cause a second round of shutdowns which i think would be economically devastating. If you look at the forecasts, most predict unemployment will continue to rise. Economic advisers at the white house say they expect the Unemployment Rate<\/a> to be higher next month than it was in this alltime worst jobs report that we just had. Something like 20 or higher. So they are expecting it to get worse. The question is how quickly will we start to see a recovery . And how long will that recovery take . Again, theres so many unknown unknowns about the trajectory of the virus and how people will respond to it that its very difficult to know. To make a forecast with any certainty at this point. It is a shocking situation for so many people and then some people have hardly been affected by this at all. Sometimes theyre making the decisions for the rest of us. Katherine, thank you so much for talking with us. Appreciate it. Thank you. And one industry where a recovery is likely to take longer than for others is aviation. Airlines are now scrambling to figure out how to fly safely and as pete montine reports, theyre struggling to come up with coherent guidelines. Reporter packed in passengers might not be the norm right now according to Major Airlines<\/a>, but more scenes like this are raising new concerns about whether you can maintain social distancing while flying. Change or cancel a trip because of coronavirus and you are not entitled to a refund according to new guidance just laid out by the department of transportation. It says you can get your money be back within a week if it is the airline that cancels, but if you cancel, what you get back is up to the airline. In the u. S. Almost half of the airliners are parked. The number of people passing through security has climbed to the highest level in six weeks. Visiting friends and relatives are the backbone of our business. We are starting to see that come back. Its at a very small level. Reporter united will warn people if a flight is near capacity and let them rebook. All Major Airlines<\/a> are mandating that passengers wear masks but are not guaranteeing that every middle seat will be empty. We need federal rules. High ranking House Democrats<\/a> say there is inconsistency and uncertainty in Airline Policies<\/a> and want federal agencies to act. I think we should look carefully at whether or not we require distancing on airplanes and that could require leaving the middle seat open. Reporter in a statement to cnn the faa says the authority lies in the safe flight in aircra aircraft. Airline workers want more intervention. Theres a smart way to do this. We need to ensure that were doing everything that we can to prevent unnecessary additional preventible risk. Reporter without federal mandates, they say each airline is coming up with its own protocols. Frontier will do temporary checks at the gate and may turn you away with a fever higher than 100. 4. We believe youre safer on board frontier and most airlines for that matter than most enclosed buildings. Cnns pete montaine reporting. A man killed while jogging in georgia. Hear the 911 call and see the new video. Thats next. Only 11. Dealdash. Com, the fair and honest bidding site. An ipad worth 505, was sold for less than 24; a playstation 4 for less than 16; and a schultz 4k television for less than 2. I won these bluetooth headphones for 20. I got these three suitcases for less than 40. And shipping is always free. Go to dealdash. Com right now and see how much you can save. Robinhood believes now is the time to do money. Without the commission fees. So, you can start investing today wherever you are even hanging with your dog. So, what are you waiting for . Download now and get your first stock on us. Robinhood. Welcome back, everyone. Former u. S. National security advisor Michael Flynn<\/a> could be facing more legal trouble even as the u. S. Justice department tries to get his guilty plea tossed out. The u. S. Judge overseeing flynns sentencing has now asked a retired judge to review the case and argue against the justice departments request. That request stunned washington when it was made one week ago. A review of flynns case could expose flynn to further legal jeopardy, especially if it appears he committed perjury. Well now to new developments in the shooting death of Ahmaud Arbery<\/a> who was shot while jogging. A 911 call has been released of a suspect, travis mcmichael, two weeks before he was killed. Mcmichael and his father are accused of murdering arbery. Reporter the new video and new 911 call depict an altercation from the same neighborhood less than two weeks before Ahmaud Arbery<\/a>s death. Weve had a string of burglaries. I was in the neighborhood and i just caught a guy running into a house being built. The video obtained by cnn is captured by one of eight security cameras set up in and around the house thats under construction in a community outside brunswick, georgia. It is the same home where arbery was seen looking around on the day he died. Unlike that day, the new video is at night between 7 and 8 p. M. According to the homeowners attorney and depicts an unidentified individual walking in from the left side of the cameras view. The person slowly seems to circle the room and then goes out of the cameras view, but the microphone continues to hear the sound of footsteps. According to the homeowners attorney, nothing was taken or disturbed in the house, which is so open headlines can be seen from traffic on the street. The same night as this video was taken, larry english, the homeowner who lives hours away received a text message from a neighbor describing a confrontation involving someone named travis and a young man on or near the property. The attorney shared a transcript of the message english received describing the altercation with the unidentified person. Quote, the Police Showed<\/a> up and we all searched for a good while. I think he got spooked and ran after travis confronted him. Travis says the guy ran into the house, the neighbor reports. It was Travis Mcmichaels<\/a> call that night that Summons Police<\/a> to the scene. Mcmichael tells authorities he spotted the individual going into the home. Mcmichael is gasping for death, so much so it worries the 911 operator . Are you okay . Yeah, it just startled me. When i turned around, ran, backed up. He reached into his pocket and ran into the house. I dont know if he was act. Hes acting like he was. Police arrived on scene but find no one. Nothing more is said about the incident and the homeowner says he has no idea who was in the house that night, but the encounter is not forgotten. Two weeks later as Ahmaud Arbery<\/a> laid dead on the ground killed by three shotgun blasts from Travis Mcmichaels<\/a> gun, he said he thought arbery was the suspect from 12 days before. Martin savidge, cnn, glen county, georgia. An intriguing unsigned note has been found at the memorial marking where arbery was killed. It reads, ahmaud, i am so sorry. I should have stopped them. I am so sorry. An attorney for the arbery family says the author needs to be found and that it may indicate someone knew what was going to happen and could provide a motive for the attack. Arberys family said they sympathize with the notes worker and asking the writer to approach them confidentially. Well be back in a moment. So whats going on . Im a talking dog. The other issue. Oh. Im scratching like crazy. Youve got some allergic itch with skin inflammation. Apoquel can work on that itch in as little as 4 hours, whether its a new or chronic problem. And apoquels treated over 7 million dogs. Nice. And. The talking dog thing . Is it bothering you . No. Itching like a dog is bothering me. Until dogs can speak for themselves, you have to. When allergic itch is a problem, ask for apoquel. Apoquel is for the control of itch associated with allergic dermatitis and the control of Atopic Dermatitis<\/a> in dogs. Do not use apoquel in dogs less than 12 months old or those with serious infections. Apoquel may increase the chance of developing serious infections and may cause existing parasitic skin infestations or preexisting cancers to worsen. Do not use in breeding, pregnant, or lactating dogs. Most common side effects are vomiting and diarrhea. Feeling better . Im speechless. Thanks for the apoquel. Awww. Thats what friends are for. Ask your veterinarian for apoquel. Next to you, apoquel is a dogs best friend. Welcome back, everyone. There are reports in the u. S. Of Major League Soccer<\/a> in north america is planning for a centralized tour in florida with all 26 teams starting in june. As brian todd reports other leagues are struggling to figure all of this out. Reporter the crack of the bat may soon return. The roar of the crowd wont. Major League Baseball<\/a> has a plan that could allow regular season games to start around the 4th of july weekend according to multiple news outlets. They report the season would be cut roughly in half to 82 games. The games would be held without fans and played in teams home stadiums, but only in jurisdictions where local officials would allow it. They might have to move teams away where restrictions are more stringent to some places like arizona where already the governor has said theyre open for business for major league sports. Reporter Florida Governor<\/a> ron desantis is courting teams from hard hit areas where local officials may not want to resume sports yet. Well find a place for you here in the state of florida because we think its important and we know that it can be done safely. Reporter baseballs plan still hasnt been agreed to by the players union. The challenge for the baseball to return is enormous starting with ensuring the health of everyone involved. The safety of the players is going to be a concern for the major League Baseball<\/a>s association, not just the players. Only ancillary, you have a large contingent of people who are not in uniform as players. Reporter other major sports leagues are struggling to navigate a return. Espn reports top nba executives are discussing ways to resume this season but weighing the health risks. The nfl plans to hold its 2020 season as scheduled with fans in the stands. Germanys top Soccer League<\/a> is returning. Englands is considering it. Top doctors warn the Contact Sports<\/a> require risks. They are leaning against each other, breathing on each other, less than six feet apart. That is fair game. Players have to be tested almost every day. Dr. Anthony fauci told nbc sports, those who test positive would likely have to be segregated from the others. Those who are positive, you know, are taken out of commission for 14 days until they become negative, then thats a possibility. Reporter theres a huge debate over when to let fans back. When our major sports return in earnest, could it look like south korea where the only fans at games are painted on seat coverings. I think until we have real control and perhaps even a vaccine, i hate to say t its going to be hard to fathom how we can safely have thousands and thousands of people gathered in one space. And sports analysts say in order to return safely, the major sports teams are going to have to navigate the dynamics between their players. Maybe one player will be eager to get out there on another night but another might say they have a pregnant spouse at home or small children and they dont want to play to risk infecting them. Brian todd, cnn, washington. 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