Chris Cuomo asks the tough questions to newsmakers in Washington and around the world. Chris Cuomo asks the tough questions to newsmakers in Washington and around the world. People . Im very concerned, chris. I worked hard in a bipartisan way to get 380 million in Election Grants out and distributed to states. Thats something senator klobuchar, senator lankford and others really fought for. And im trying this week in the election excuse me in the upcoming appropriations votes were having in the senate to get another round of 250 million in grants to states so that they can strengthen their Cybersecurity Defenses so they can procure new Voting Systems and equipment. Senator klobuchar was just on in the previous segment with anderson cooper. Yep. She and senator lankford have a great bill, the secure elections act, that i think we should take up and pass that is a corollary or a complementary
referring to, chris, who testified today, clearly a career professional, was someone who had given clear warnings to the Trump Administration that this zerotolerance policy would have heartbreaking impacts on children and would not end well. And it is completely reflective of a Definitional Change in who america is supposed to be according to this administration. Its part of our closing argument, but i wanted to thicken it out with your understanding of what happened in this hearing. Senator coons, thank you very much. Thank you, chris. All right. So this idea of what Rudy Giuliani said, what the president tweeted, and what the law might reveal about any collusion those three things, one of them is not like the others. And im going to point it out for you in a whiteboard to undo a whitewash, next. Im Captain Obvious and hotels. Com rewards me basically everywhere. So why am i hosting a dental convention after party in my vegas suite . Or wearing a fullbody wetsuit at this spa retreat . Or sliding into this ski lodge with my mini horse kevin . Because hotels. Com lets me do me, right . Sorry, the cold makes him a little horse. Hotels. Com. You do you and get rewarded. Youre wearing a hat. Thats funny. Before or during treatment, always tell your doctor if you think you have an infection or have flulike symptoms or sores, have had cancer, or develop any new skin growths, or if anyone in your house needs or recently had a vaccine. Alert your doctor of new or worsening problems, including headaches, seizures, confusion and vision problems. These may be signs of a rare, potentially fatal brain condition. Some serious allergic reactions can occur. Do not take stelara® if you are allergic to any of its ingredients. Man are you fed up with crohns symptoms following you . Talk to your doctor today, and learn how janssen can help you explore cost support options. Remission can start with stelara®. Cost support options. I wok Harmonica Interrupts ld. And told people about geico. Harmonica Interrupts how they could save 15 or more by. Harmonica Interrupts . By just calling or going online to geico. Com. Harmonica Interrupts sighs and chuckles sorry, are you gonna. Harmonica Interrupts everytime. Geico. 15 minutes could save you
15 or more on car insurance. Tricky when something can be true and untrue at the same time, and yet both aspects of it matter, right . Were going to explain right now. Heres your premise. Collusion does not equal a crime. Heres what Rudy Giuliani, lawyer to president trump, said to cnn. Which i dont even know if thats a crime, colluding about russians. You start analyzing the crime. The hacking is the crime. The hacking is the crime. That certainly is the original crime. The president didnt hack. Of course not. He didnt pay them for hacking. Collusion is not a crime. Rudys right. Collusion is not a statutory crime under the federal code in this context. There will likely be no charge of simply collusion. Now, one fine point for you legal eagles out there. Yes, collusion is a crime for
the sec and the ftc, proscribing certain antitrust behavior. But like i said, thats out of context, okay . What were dealing with here is a distinction, okay, without a difference, okay . What does that mean . Its a big deal. Its that hes saying theyre Different Things but really they are the same. The media is stuck on this word game, a gotcha game. The keys being missed. Its a distinction without a difference. Why . The key is the behavior, not the word. Therefore, while rudy is right, this tweet by the president is wrong. Collusion is not a crime, but that doesnt matter because there was no collusion except by Crooked Hillary and the democrats. How . How can rudy be right and trump be wrong . Heres why. The behavior. The behavior is what matters to the legal analysis, not the word. Why . Because the term itself not being present as a statute is irrelevant. The side note to trumps tweet is does trump get that he just said in a tweet that what hillary did with the dossier is
not a crime . To his mind, you think he believes that . Nope. He wont tweet that again if he thinks about it. Be clear. If it were to be proven that trump or any of his people were doing what amounts to collusion with any of those who were intent on interfering in our democracy, theres plenty of potential criminal exposure because the behavior would be criminal. Like what . Conspiracy, okay . Im going to truncate these things but im going to put up the statutes on there for you. Youll see it at the same time. What kind of conspiracy . Well, to defraud the United States government. You can do it on a tax level. Look at manafort. 30plus charges related thereto. How out of this one type of behavior . Because thats what can happen when they think youre colluding with somebody. Russia, what they were trying to do, was defraud the election. If you were in agreement with them or trying to help them, then youre going to get stuck for that collusion. An agreement to break any law, hacking, theft, distribution of stolen goods, information, would all be criminal and would be an extension of acts of collusion. Aiding and abetting, okay . Now, Aiding And Abetting has its own section under the criminal code, okay . Why . Because it goes to all types of being too helpful to the wrong people in the wrong types of situations. All of that is in the family of collusion. All right. Now, what about money . Money takes us into a whole other universe of when collusion becomes criminal. How was any money used in an exchange . How was it sent . How was it accounted for . Bank fraud, wire fraud, laundering of money. Many of muellers team are experts in these areas. Why did he pick them . So these laws, the statutes you saw, all stem from behavior that
is collusion. So collusion is not a crime, sure, by name. But the behavior of collusion can get you in a lot of deep water. Whats the conclusion . Keep your eye on the ball. Collusion isnt a specific crime, per se, but its not okay, and it leads to all of this mess and more depending on the facts and the proof. And thats where we must always stay focused. Thats why i was talking to coons about what the bar for the Mueller Probe is. What can they show that is the only thing that we will know . Thats the bar. Nothing else matters. So there you have it. So what rudy said, what the government admitted about tearing families apart today, controversies or nontroversies . It is a great debate, and it is upon us next. Half off family lines to all military. Its so hard to believe but its all coming back me. Baby, baby, baby. All you can eat is back, baby. Applebees. Im a small business, but i have. Big dreams. And big plans. So how do i make the efforts of 8 employees. Feel like 50 . How can i share new plans virtually . How can i download an efile . Virtual tours . Zipfile . Really big files . In seconds, not minutes. Just like that. Like everything. The answer is simple. Ill do what ive always done. Dream more, dream faster, and above all. Now, ill dream gig. Now more businesses, in more places, can afford to dream gig. Comcast, building americas largest gigspeed network. Today was jampacked with news, but what does any of it mean . The president tweeted that collusion is not a crime for the first time, and a health and Human Services official testified that he warned the Trump Administration that family
separation at the border would happen and would be dangerous. Lets get to the great debate. Weve got Jennifer Granholm and david urban here. Dave, lets see if i can shortcut this. You saw the whiteboard. Admit that i am right about all of it, that this is just wordplay, and that the behavior of collusion at the end of the day can get you in plenty of poopoo. Chris, youre right. The behavior of collusion and the right set of circumstances obviously can, right . But as you pointed out correctly, its all about the facts. Its all about the facts, brother. Brother cuomo, right . We could hypothesize about a lot of things but lets wait and see what Director Mueller uncovers. Conspiracy is a pretty broad word, and as you point out correctly in this case thats being tried in alexandria against Paul Manafort and conspiracy there to defraud the government, theres an overt act. Its pretty easy to prove. It has nothing to do with the russians. So well wait and see. Well just have to wait and see. Its all about the facts. Well, we dont know that it has nothing to do with russians. Its just which group of russians and what they were doing and whether it really has anything to do with the probe is what we dont think well see. No. Chris, in this case we do know because on july 10th, in response to a motion filed by Paul Manafort right. The government here, you know, Director Muellers probe, they replied in a response in their brief saying this has nothing to do with russians or collusion or russian interference. Right, in the election. Right. But that doesnt mean that no russians were involved with what happened with him no, no. Absolutely. Thats the distinction i was drawing. All right. Let me get you in here, Jennifer Granholm. The idea of what the president
is tweeting about and whether or not it matters, matters to you why . Well, because we have a president who is constantly gaslighting the american public. He says that something is when it is absolutely not. I just its so its beyond words how horrible this president has been to the truth. We all know that. So when he says, oh, theres no collusion, and he tries to get his followers to believe that the word collusion is not going to appear in an indictment when manafort issues one against somebody, well mueller. Excuse me. When mueller. Youre right. When mueller does. So maybe the word doesnt admit, but you had as professor cuomo up at the whiteboard a list of actual laws that could be broken if theres a conspiracy. Right. This is just engaged in semantic play. And when the president tries to pull the wool over americas eyes in so many ways, it just proves again and again that honestly, i can hardly wait till november comes so that we can give him at least the first
taste of the back of our hand. In 2020, the rest. Dave urban, you see the back of the hand coming . Listen, unfortunately i do in these midterms, right . Midterms arent necessarily these are a snapshot as the governor knows and you know, chris. Look, congressional districts are very small, very insular Little Islands of the population. So, you know, the president s going to do poorly in places like new jersey, the new york suburbs, the philly suburbs. I dont think the president s going to do poorly in kind of the, you know, down in florida, in pennsylvania, in iowa, michigan. The president s not going to do poorly there. So the midterms are going to have an effect i dont know. Well, thats your. Well see. Look, all of this is speculative. Its all about turnout. Thats whats going to determine the midterms. It always does. Well, but its manifest intention of the reaction formation. I know those are all big words, but what we saw in 94 and 2010 is i know youre upset about whats in there right now. Heres what i want to offer you thats better. Now get out there and vote for me. Thats the equation, and we wont know until the polls open and close wait, chris. Its very true. But lets be clear that when you see russian interference like we saw today through facebook, russian interference against Claire Mccaskill and russian interference writ large in 2016, getting out the vote is going to be super important, yes. But there was a poll out today that showed that there are some republicans who think that interference by the russians to help the republicans is not such a bad thing. Oh, come on, governor. Come on. Come on, governor. If youre going to blame the democrats for poor performance. You cant blame you have to accept some responsibility for not having a coherent message across your party. Theres a whole array of things. We dont have to relitigate
this. You cant blame the russians for the democrats failing. Yes, i can blame the russians for interfering in this election. You can blame them for trying to interfere. They did interfere, and they sent thousands and thousands of ads to social media in places like detroit, where they held up pictures of aziz ansari with a text saying, hey, avoid the lines. Text your support here. If thats not a Voter Suppression ad, i dont know what is. Oprah winfrey, photoshopped, holds up a sign let me just finish. When Oprah Winfrey holds up a sign that says, firsttime voter, you vote on wednesday. Those are Voter Suppression ads. Those were issued hugely in 2016 in michigan. Hillary clinton lost by 11,000 votes. The purpose of the russian intervention is to cause people to be not just divided but to cause them to stay home. Right. And you know what . Thats what happened. In the Obama Administration, the Democratic Barack Obama Administration should have shut those down. It would have been easier if mcconnell would have worked with them. So should the Trump Administration. [ Overlapping Voices ] obama should have done more, but Mcconnell Shouldnt Have blocked his efforts. And now trump, its on him now to see what he does. Hes the president. Youre right. And today secretary of dhs, Kirstjen Nielsen said we need to prepare for a category 5 event. What is he doing . So, governor hes been saying he doesnt believe there was a storm coming. Hes been doing that for a long time, dave, and now theyre starting to change their tune in the administration. Well see what they do. Can i just say i got to go. This is another case of classic incompetence. He had incompetence in puerto rico. He has incompetence incompetence in the Obama Administration and youre going to see another i hear you. Dave has a point to. Governor, incompetence of the Obama Administration . Dave has a point. My head explodes when i see James Clapper and all these former intelligence officials on this network complaining about russian interference when they were at the wheel when it all happened. Were talking about 2018, dave. You cannot continue to look in the rearview mirror. If youre talking about the past election heres the thing. We got to end it here. But, chris, you can say dave urban has a point. I just did. I said it two points. You dont hear me because youre yapping. What im saying is this. It all is true. It started in 2016. The Obama Administration didnt do enough. Why . They didnt know as much as they eventually would know. They were worried about outcomes, and Mitch Mcconnell was pushing back on them. They werent going to get cooperation. It was going to be a partisan move. Then the Trump Administration had this ball in their hands a
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