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Chris Cuomo asks the tough questions to newsmakers in Washington and around the world. Youre defending Michael Coman . No, what im saying you cant have it both ways. You cant say for a year and a half this is about russian collusion and i was part of the Successful Campaign of this man who won fairly and squarely as you well know. I disagree with your assessment. Tell me because its patently untrue. We dont promise the audience an outcome. You have to respect the democratic process. I think he won the electoral college, and that means hes president of the United States. Thank you very much. Hes your president , too. You need to show respect to the president. We cant even get our agenda covered on cnn thats not true. We cover it all the time. The truth matters. Thats what we sell to our odd krns because thats the only reason we have a job. The truth is you lied about this. You knee about what Michael Cohen was doing with these women and the payments. He lied about not knowing. Says me, says the facts. Because i heard the tape in his voice, its donald trump and he is listening to his lawyer tell him what he needs to do to finish his deal with his friend pecker. Everybodys heard it. If you want to ill play it again. No, cnn plays it on a loop. So you know it already. And what it shows is he was aware of what he was doing before he did it. No. Thats the truth. Hes lying. When he was asked on air force one, did you know about that that was the question about Stormy Daniels payment and he said no. And not at the time. The whole world knew about it by january. This morning he said he knew about it after the facts. I know. But thats not true. I dont want your viewers to and i know your viewers expect to be fed antitrump every single night. You could say, look, did he lie, he lied. Its not perfect but its not illegal. His own lawyer admits that. Is he his current lawyer jay goldberg i would argue when he called to ask how to handle Michael Cohen just months ago. You know who his lawyers are now, right, rudy giuliani, and jay sekulow. I dont think that just because youre not returned currently youre not a good gauge of your client. Let me tell you something, the president spoke on this just this morning for the world to see. Lets focus on the two big stories of the week according to cnn and msnbc manafort, and cohen, lets focus on those. Where in the Manafort Trial is Russia Collusion with trump. The president lied about what he knew about these women. He should not lie to the American People in their face time and time against. The Washington Post, its the first lie they ever flagged why is it not important for you to replay and talk about it in the president s own words . Because hes lying. But you dont want people to see him answering his own question. We play his voice all the time. Play the tape. Remind everybody what he said to Michael Cohen. No, not that tape. You know what tape i have spoken to Allen Weisselberg about how to set the whole thing up with funding yes, and its all the stuff. Did you know about the 130,000 payment to Stormy Daniels . No, no. Did you know about the payment . Later on i knew. Later on. Yeah, he knew later on. He knew before. Hes lying. Is that Michael Cohen and President Trump talking about the deal . Yowl know what tape i want to hear tell us whats on the tape of chris cohn and Michael Cohen. Theres a little difference between you and the shop you work with its as plain on the nose on my face. You should admit hes lying, and you dont and thats why people dont trust you. And you want me to answer your question, i will. Michael cohen had a conversation with him excuse me. He asked me not to record it, i said i wont. He said just to be careful let me have your phone, i did. He then recorded me on a secondary device. How do you feel about that . I think it was dishonest. You know what we talked about in the conversation . Im not going to tell you, eyou know why . Because it was offtherecord and im going to respect that. Im still not going to burn him even though he did something wrong. Theres nothing on it that im worried about. I know why you guys want to leak it but hold on a second, this isnt about a me. You tried, you failed am hes on that tape, on there with Michael Cohen and hes on there lying about these payments and you should admit it. No, i dont. Ill tell you why because you say to people the truth isnt the truth. He says dont believe what you see and hear no, no, hes saying and its all destroying peoples sense of normalcy and diseasan decency and integrity. Youve asked me ten times the question hes lying. No, thats what you think. Thats what the Washington Post says, david pecker says youre disappointing me right now. Doesnt mean i think youre not my friend just because youre disappointing me. Heres a very, very simple answer to you. When you say to me that this is why the Audience Doesnt Trust you, you know why the Audience Doesnt Trust the white house because all day long on your network all they hear is how terrible we all are, that we lack integrity, that we lie. What is it that you think i lie about . Im asking you to admit that he is lying about what happened on these payments . I dont think it is helpful to you to play games about something. Ill give you that free advice. True or false, do you think its a lie that i. C. E. And cvp were honored for all the great work theyre doing, that the mayor of philadelphia danced the jig or whatever the heck he was doing after philadelphia let him go and he raped a 5yearold child, none of this is fact, none of this mat snrz. Who said its not true . You keep ducking it. He lied. Why are his words not important to you . Because hes lying. They are important to me. Im asking about them because they are material misrepresentation of fact for the purposes of deception. Its a lie. What crimes were commit snd what charges were filed against donald trump this week . The bar of proper behavior by a president is a felony. Its a crime of leadership, its a crime of integrity. Stop lying to them. And he is lying. And you know what a lie is that on july 27th you guys came out with this big report, nobody is retracting it yet, three big bylines. Let me get you on the record the other way, do you think the president is telling the truth that he never knew about the payments until after he said he knew about them after the fact. I never knew about them. I dont know when you knew about them. You should care about them. You should absolutely care that the Campaign Manager for the campaign thinks that theres nothing to be gained with meeting with russians and talking to people in moskow instead of people in North Carolina and michigan you should be reminded that every single night cnn was featuring another woman with another story. You play the access Hollywood Tape constantly thinking it would hurt the candidate, he would never be elected. Cnn interfered in the election dale a daily by shifting the scales are we a phony anonymical power . I get 50 every time you say the word, it used to be collusion by the way, both words matter. We dont know if theres proof of one. Theres an investigation going on that our president disrupts every chance he gets, and lying matters. Youve covered it more than the low Unemployment Rate, more than the consumer you were a world class journalist who used to go to plane crash sites iiest in helsinki would you take that back it was embarrassing what happened in helsinki, and im glad you didnt have to experience it the way we did. Im not ignoring anything. Im speaking to what is true. Booming economy, Consumer Confidence these are indices. The president was asked the same question you were asking me and he answered it. But hes lying. Only he knows what he believes, only he knows what he knows. But thats not true. Because its not a matter of perspective. Its not eyewitness testimony. Hes not the only one who knows if hes telling the truth or not. Michael cohen knows, david pecker knows. Mr. Wisingbering maybe knows. Do you think he should be impeach s impeached . Its not my call to make. Do you think we should tell the truth to the American People do you think he should tell the truth to the American People . Yes, i think you should, too. Do you think he should be impeached for being shown to lie to the American People consistently is he going there before or after he goes to south africa to help out those white farmers that the president mistakenly told people theyre being humtnted down and killed d having their land stolen. Im not perched, telling everyone and pontificating to them. I go out and talk to people. And they say we dont care if the president lies to us about Criminal Conduct . No, what they care about is the president is doing everything he promised to do. Did he promise to drain the swamp . We were told that everything, the economy, would never be the same, it would be a huge disaster and it went in the opposite direction. Is it okay to lie about Criminal Conduct . Is this all youre going to talk about in this show . I want you to own the truth. Thats what i want you to do. That he has denied. And i work next to him every single day. I see someone whos doing his best for this country and the results show it and you know it. What is the message of this opposition . I dont know it because the division youre using one simple metric of success in leadership. If youre one of 6 million americans that received a bonus or a range who did better, 83 cents of every dollar went to people like us. You want to play facts, i study them all the time. Please, i treat you as somebody as somebody who comes in here to represent the president. Man, woman, or other youre going to get the same treatment. No one can shut you down. Youre not even letting me speak. 83 cents of every dollar went to the top, okay . The black Unemployment Rate went down with the main Unemployment Rate, but relative to white it is still just as bad. Okay . Thats the right measure. Why doesnt it matter its the lowest in history . It does matter. Why doesnt it matter there are 6. 6 million able jobs right now. The president is working on the back of the opioid crisis. Hes not working on the opioid crisis. Its terrible, its spreading. I cant let you say things that arent true. Go to fox. Okay, im so glad you mentioned fox because none of you are able to get through most of your shows without talking about them. I almost never mention fox news. Im jealous of the opportunities they get to test power. They just dont take them. Thats what im jealous of. Thats where you got the answers. Listen, im not in the business of attacking people with the answers. Let me tell you if youre going to argue youve got to be straight about it. If you want to talk about africanamericans and the economy, be straight about it. The gap between rich and poor, Black And White is as strong as it has been been. Do you think it went up or down, the number of people in poverty . Oh, i know up. What is the Unemployment Rate among africanamericans and hispanics, veterans, women, way down. It was good when it was happening under obama, too. Now its good its happening under trump. I just did a whole comparative analysis. How Many Americans dont have health care after obamacare . And lets see whats happening with Peoples Insurance now all over the country. Theres this whole government approach and the house legislation hr6, i know itll never get a platform on cnn because who brought you on tv to talk about opioids . What is it about i did on this show. You dont have to play cheap with me. Just own whats real. In 16 to 17 it increased by 10 . Slowing the growth is not shutting it down. I think what youre trying it to do is good. I think the president saying what he said the other day, you have to look what china is doing and importing all these opioids into the this country i had you on to talk about it. What youre say is disingenuous and another attempt to make people dislike the media. It all matters. Yeazero died because of collusion. Thats not the bar so if the economy is good, you can lie whenever you want, you can divide the country anyway you want, you can play the racist sympathy whenever you want but its okay because the stock market is up . Is that your argument . I think the president lied about something that refers to Criminal Conduct. Hes telling you right now why old on. I didnt call you a liar. Im saying the president lied about something. You refuse to acknowledge it. That makes you complicit in the lying. Oh, cut it out. Sure it does. If you wont own something you know is a lie where is the charge against the president . You dont need charges to be a liar, and you know it. Chris, wheres the charge against the president . By law there probably cant be any, so thats a false standard. He was just namedads a coconspirator with Michael Cohen. He wasnt named. Hes in the plea agreement. Who was the Person Running for federal office . Was it someone else . Has the president been able to respond to that . 100 million times. And he did on tape yesterday and today. And hes lying. Do you understand . Thats your opinion. The Washington Post covered it all. Michael cohen says it, david pecker says it, the government says it. Okay, all of you were against him and said he could never win, never that doesnt make it okay to lie. Do you think anything youve discussed in the manafort or cohen trials excuse me or cohen discussed tonight would have made a difference with Hillary Clinton . I dont care about that. That is silly distraction, very trumpy. No, no, excuse me to quote influence an election how do i care about any of that . Hes the president of the yoourns United States, he lied about Criminal Conduct. Youre talking about 2016 no, im not talking about 2016. You are. Im talking about him lying about the these payments again and again to the American People. And he shouldnt do it. And if he wants to pardon manafort, thats his power. Rudy says that if the president says he didnt want any pardons until this is all over, thats up to him. Thats his pardoning power. If he wants to pardon manafort thats his right, thats his role. Do you think he should pardon Paul Manafort . I think if you invite a white house guest and is with the president , talks to him every day, was in three meetings with him just today you ought to have basic curiosity if not decent integrity to ask me what it is we do there, what were working on. Youre not covering the meeting they had together you dont think it matters he keeps disrespecting his attorney general, undermining confidence in him by the American People in his own department . The president is very clear on this through his tweets, his statement on fox news, highly rated fox news, christopher. He said to them hes upset, frustrated, rightly so. Many of us are frustrated that we never had an investigation on the other side. Some people investigate on the basis of merits. So you think its not merited . So youve got your own attorney general who loves donald trump even though he just defecates all over the guy on a regular basis. Well, he does. Ive never seen anyone treat someone the way he treats his attorney general. He should leave if hes going to attack him all the time. No american is impacted by your nonsense collusion, your fana fantasy in 2016 they were together after that. Arent you the least bit interested i think it speaks to Jeff Sessions having a hell of a lot sense of duty to the American People. I would at least expect you as someone who love his country and i know you do to say, you know what, kelly, here are five things donald trump has done as president. Can you name them . Because thats not my job. Thats not my job. Your job is to say the president of the united states to make sure the integrity of their leadership and their about to look to the American People and tell the truth is intact. The Corporate Tax rate does the truth mat, yes or no . The truth always matters. Good. Is he telling it truth about these papyments. You decide selectively is he telling the truth about these payments in. Theres wall to wall coverage about a missing woman woman in iowa until she was found, and god rest her soul and you dont even have the decency youre not letting her soul rest. Youre waving a flag. How dare you and how dare the president and you do that. Just like kate stein lelee. If you dont want to abuse them like the president does then you dont care about you dont care about the ones who have been murdered. Over 17,000 murders in this country in 2016. How many times has he stood up and said this is an atrusty when it happens. Only when the people who killed them is someone he wants to target. Thats not true. What happened to the democrats, cnn covered 5 minutes of a Cabinet Meeting in late january where he was flanked by the democrats and republicans from the house and senate to talk about daca, the dreamers. Where did they go they brought out a deal, schumer told me, and he denied it. Theres the truth. Here we go. Why dont you respect i. C. E. And custody the real racism problem yes or no. Its not my job to make policy decisions. It is my job to test them. Ill tell you what i think is wrong. Saying you care about Mollie Tibbetts and calling her permanently separated from her family, is that how you describe someone that i said god rest her soul. He said she was permanently separated from her family. Is that the time to play ugly politics because hes upset and about putting kids in cages is he upset about what happened . We did two segments on it yesterday. Do you think the grief of laura and i think you should do whatever you can to stop illegal immigration but you dont have to treat the immigrants like crap to do that. You dont have to reduce yourself he said he would do a deal on the dreamers. Then he didnt. Where are the democrats . They brought him a deal and he didnt. He was never going to do anything about it. He put it on congress. You start s this year off shutting down the government right after they i have no party. What i have is a purpose, and the purpose is to try to test power and get them to tell the truth to the American People. Thats the purpose. Lets see what he does. And are eligible and were trying to help them reenter into society. Lets see what he does. I think thats great. You know whats also great, not calling them sons of bitches. Who . People of color. Oh, stop it, christopher. You dont care that hes trying to help people. How was he helping people by saying that. Was that about the National Anthem and about standing for the flag and he said get the hell out the country. You disrespected people because its my damn choice and im an american and ill exercise my freedom anyway i want to and thats what theyre doing, too. It is your right not to. Last time i checked there are few things as much of a signature right in america as i understood it than to protest injustice in a nonviolence he has said he likes to bring peace wherever he can. Thats why he went to helsinki, to singapore, he tore up the awful iran nuclear deal, which just shovered over piles of cash and turned over too much to them. Thats why just this week Benjamin Netanyahu said this is the best friend israels ever had. This is why a very democratic councilmember i believe or a state Assembly Member from queens said thank you to the president for say, kellyanne i disagree with the president im agree with the president for holding him to account for what he says and does. Hold him up when yes, i was deports a nazi whos responsible for many, many deaths. When you refuse to why did the president say im going to move the embassy to jerusalem and im going to create jobs im going to tell you this now and i make it to you as a promise. As you know no one workers harder than we do to do this job . On my shop, in this place, on this team, on cnn. All i wanted to tell you is you need to own the truth. You said in a condescending fashion and i never said anything to you about it. Listen, im out of time. You gave yourself a lot of time because you talked pretty much the entire time. I dont think thats true. Ill give you a word count at the end. The guest should have many words. No, i think its to the test power. I am power, but you dont even ask what we work on. Im asking about things that matter not just what you want to talk about. Hes lying to the American People about Criminal Conduct. He should have disclosed loans he didnt, should have told the truth about what happened, shouldnt have been part of a conspiracy to get around election laws. Those are things he should own. Do you respect the things i do on behalf of the country . Yes. Do you think i need to be in the white house . Im one small molecule in the government thats trying to do well. Do you respect the president . Do you sigh what were trying to do i respect what i see and hear. When the veterans have the accountability act, Whistle Bloel Blower Act and you have his country club buddies in the va who havent been vetted the secretary confirmed by the Senate Something like 869. And he had these guys from maralago who are helping on the side that should have never been done that way. And youre not telling he gave Veterans Benefits at ive got to go. Next time let the guest speak. I will always give you an opportunity to come on about what matters. The whole truth also includes the good economic news. No, thats not how the truth works. The economy is true its what you try to make people believe it is. The truth is how is the economy doing, did he lie about these payments, separate but equal. Thank you for coming on this show. Stay dont leave yet. Weve got to wait for the commercial. All right, wave got to take a quick break. When we come back well debate what everything that happened this week means. Everyone on both sides as always. Im going to start with some balayage clipins, then razor cut up to a blunt angled lob. Im retiring; youre my swan song. What . hes gonna slap some clips in your hair, give you a bob and then hes gonna move to boca raton. But youre gonna look amazing. Ok. There are multiples on the table one is cash, three are fha, one is va. So what can you do . Shes saying a whole lotta people want to buy this house. But you got this Rocket Mortgage by Quicken Loans makes the complex simple. Understand the details and get approved in as few as eight minutes by americas largest mortgage lender. It mean . Lets put it to a great debate. Weve got two great people there you tonight, jason miller and paul begala. I think this is your first night on the show. It is. Lets disstill something that is actually useful from the back and forth about truth. The president now demonstrably we know was not telling the American People about the truth about these payments and what he knew and when he knew it. Im not saying that makes him or a criminal or exposes him to legal jeopardy. Im saying It Mat Wrrzer the truth. I know he cant be charged. I know what the doj guidance is, but telling the truth matters also, doesnt it . I do think the white house needs a better answer on the president s side of the story. I think as this Process Moves along thats what theyre going to have to get to. I would caution you on one point, chris, that so far weve only heard one side of the story, Michael Cohen. The president has told us what he thinks many times. But were talking specific to these two socalled allegations that are against the president that Michael Cohen has made. Theyre coming from Michael Cohen whos now a selfadmitted eight time felon. And david peck squr ter and. Government. Someone who didnt pay his taxes for five years and against the president. You used to say he was a man of high integrity, you trusted him, liked him. That didnt just change because hes on the other side now, didnt it in. Ive always said theres issues with Michael Cohen. Youve not always said that. There are issues with Michael Cohen. The white house is going to need to tighten up their answer on his. Tighten up their answer, give a better answer. When our kids are lying to us, we dont say tighten up the answer. We say tell it truth. Paul . He cant. First of all hes incapable. Hes a pathological liar. But in this case hes a liar of necessity because the truth is not his friend. Oelgs proven by his own words on tape as proven by kellyanne when she asked a question. And also he does have real legal jeopardy. In the cohen plea he accuses the president of the United States of cooperating to subvert the Campaign Financial laws. As you know as a lawyer thats a fiveyear statute of lamentations. Which means the act occurred in october 2016. He can be charged with that after hes president should he be defeated in 2020. So lets flip it for a second. So he has real legal jeopardy. Lets flip it for a second. I read the charging document, not impressed by these Campaign Finance violation charges. He does plead guilty, but they never proved it. And theyre cutting it very fine with what they say he did. And i dont think we know that this was some grave Campaign Finance conspiracy going on. I think they were lying about it. I think they were being sneaky about it, but i dont know that theres criminal exposure for the president especially with all the doj guidance about when you can move on a president. Theyd have to impeach him first. I dont know if this is high crime or misdemeanor. Of course its up to the i think its important for people to see the exercise because the truth is the truth, jason. Its not about a better answer. Its not about working on tightening it up. Hold on. But you have one persons allegation. And what david pecker and what the government was able to deduce. Again, we dont know exactly what david pecker was saying. We know what Michael Cohen was saying. We knew from the president offense voice on the tapes we have someone of Michael Cohen who has very little credibility. The tape has 100 credibility. It was cut off. We dont know all the details surrounding it. Heres the deal. You cannot go and say now that Michael Cohen has absolute complete credibility no, im not saying that at all. So were only hearing from Michael Cohen going up there and making these allegations. And david pecker and the changing stories from the president. We dont know exactly what david pecker said. All we know right now lets Say David Pecker were to come onto this show tomorrow night and say you know what, im better than this. Trump knew before, during, after, he didnt want to embarrass his wife and his family, he was worried about it on the campaign on the heels of the access Hollywood Tape, so i did it and i caved and by the way im not happy about that. What would you say about that . Chris, all we have is someone with very little credibility making these accusations. We dont know what theyre saying. Where is this going to go . I think you make a good point. The president has a defense. This is not obstruction of justice, its obstruction of life. He lies about the affair. I think hes lying. But he could have a plausible defense in saying i want my wife to know that i had failed her thats just the beginning. Because i would have taken care of it anyway, its not a crime, i lied, i should have lied im sorry, lets move on. Mr. Cohen, my former colleague in the Clinton White house is hinting that cohen can place trump in knowledge of the hack of the democratic party. And acknowledge about the trump tower hes going to have to do one of two things. Hes going to allow them to show what he knows, which hes going to have to proof or corroborate things for them in a way that they have two, three, four layers of truth up against what cohen is saying. Its not just the payment to Stormy Daniels, which i think is problematic. Reasonable people could argue that. Its the trump tower meeting, which there was collusion with the russians, which he may or may not have known about, a call to a blocked number, hinted at by Michael Cohens attorney, the question of the trump foundation, which the state of new york is going after him on and now subpoenaed mr. Cohen about. The walls are closing in on multiple fronts. This is why Kellyanne Conway is gift gifted. She was freaking out because the white house is in crisis. You are a masterful storyteller. None of this has nothing to do with Michael Cohen. Michael cohen does not have a Cooperation Agreement. We know what Michael Cohen has gone and pled to. The fact of the matter is the reason why lanny davis is on tv begging for the mueller folks to Pay Attention to him because they dont want anything to do with him. Hes a toxic witness, doesnt have a Cooperation Agreement he could have one under seal. Weve got to leave it there. The fact of the matter that has nothing to do weve got to leave it there. We know the process is going to play out. It seems Like Congress will act to frustrate anything heres my hope for common ground. If two guys as different as you can both decide to where ugly pink ties thats why i wear black as often as possible. Thank you for the decent disagreement. Appreciate it. All right, the president picks a fight with his attorney general. You heard me talking about that with kellyanne. He watches two members of his inner circle get convicted, he mauls his own impeachment, and where do they think this goes and where is their Heart Strength next. [upbeat music] now im gonna tell my momma that im a traveller im Gonna Follow The Sun now im gonna tell my momma that im a traveller transitionsâ„¢ light under controlâ„¢ plaque psoriasis or psoriatic arthritis, Little Things can be a big deal. Thats why theres otezla. Otezla is not an injection or a cream. Its a pill that treats differently. 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Joining us now. Sorry for giving you my back here. Good to see you. Listen, you saw a little demonstration there why i cant do your job. Id get kicked out in about two minutes and never be invited back. But in terms of your sense, of the State Of Play between the free press and the presidency, are we . Well, were having White House Press briefings now about once a week, and i think thats been pretty telling as the crisis is down we had Kellyanne Conway out there, and i think thats number one. Number two, and i pressed on this yesterday in the White House Press briefing they are not ruling it out explicitly and even rudy giuliani, the president s attorney is just saying dont do it right now while the special counsels investigation is going on. I also think thats really telling. The basic so i think a lot of this has to do with the president creating a lot of these problems for himself. Key point, Jeff Sessions, Kellyanne Conway was saying more people should have covered the Prison Reform meeting that the president had with Jared Kushner, Jeff Sessions, and others at the white house. But it its the president s comment that hes going after Jeff Sessions, that hes easy on democrats and that he only picked him because he was a loyal supporter during the campaign, thats why were raising questions whether or not the president is going to fire Jeff Sessions, because hes making it pretty clear he wants to fire Jeff Sessions. Thats why no one is talking about the Prison Reform meeting, which we would love to talk about because thats actually a pretty big issue, and the department of justice and Jeff Sessions really disagree with Jared Kushner and others in the white house. We follow power. Thats not a criticism. If he talked about it more, we would too. Theyre in a bunker mentality. We have a weekly daily press briefing. You saw with Kellyanne Conway what we face daily in the white house. She says we dont want to cover anything. Then make yourself available to answer questions about those things. You set up the problems, as you say, caitlin, we have to deal with the answers, then you come after us. Instead of answering questions, kellyanne tried to flip it and make you answer her questions. Were not there for that. She says we dont hold him up, we put him down. Were not there for that. Were there to figure out whats going on. Its impossible to do that when youre dealing with an administration, chris, that on any given day, wont return a phone call, will not return an email, will not show up in the press room and then get angry when you show up to ask them what theyre doing. Do you think from this point Going Forward things get better or worse in terms of the dynamic in this country between the press and power . I think thats up to the white house. And i did want to make a point, as you were saying, by the way, caitlin, on Prison Reform, thats not a meeting that was open to us today. Thats not go we could have attended. Were just covering what hes tweeting about because thats what hes talking about. Right. Better or worse. I actually think its a small group of people that have a strong dislike for the media. I think a lot of this country realizes that the media is important. Im from alabama. When i go home, i think a lot of people are thank for for what we do. I think a lot of people are grateful for what the media does, and that were not there to criticize the president or make him look bad. Were there to say what the taxpayer funded people in the white house are doing so people know how its affecting their lives. Appearance or reality . If you want to deal with reality, ill take you to tuesday night, charleston, west virginia, at a rally. Every time he says cnn, msnbc, nbc, he screams fake news and everybody cheers. Then individually they come over and want to talk to you and ask you questions. Where do i think its going better or worse . This will sound awful weird, chris, but President Trump has made our job, as highlighted our jobs, has reinvigorated the press corps. I think we were asleep for many years but i think were Getting Better at doing our job. It starting to remind me of the press room when i first went there in 85 and 86 and watchd Helen Thomas Bang on the door and say, you have to come out and talk to us. Now you have younger reporters and some of us older farts. Youre doing a job that matters very much and im reaping the benefits of it because i get to make sense of it at night. Coming up, all of the fog of legalities, and it came from the president , next. I remember a time when Great Service was a given. Thank you. Now im at a time in my life where i want to do business with companies who do right by me. 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