Chris Cuomo asks the tough questions to newsmakers in Washington and around the world. Immunity in the federal investigation into trumps former Attorney Michael Cohen in exchange for providing information on hush money deals. Now, according to sources pecker told federal prosecutors what seems obvious to most of us. Trump knew all along of cohens payments to women who had alleged sexual encounters with him. Pecker also provided investigators with details about the payments that cohen made for the women. So lets get the white house reaction to this and a lot more. Counselor to the president , Kellyanne Conway, good to have you back. Welcome to washington. Hi. You literally just whisked in here as the show started. The president sends his greetings. Send him my best. I hope hes watching. And he said he always liked your mother and she liked him. Well, ive got that going for me. Dont embarrass her tonight. Ill try. She likes you too. So you follow the same advice. Let me ask you this. Lets start with the onset. I interview the president s former lawyer last night, jay goldberg. And he says i dont see criminal conduct from the president when it comes to collusion with russia, i dont see criminal conduct from the president when
and i dont get it you could say look, did he lie . Yes. He lied. Hes not perfect. But its not illegal. You could say that. His own lawyer admits he lied. No, no. Thats not is he his current lawyer . Jay goldberg. No, no. Answer for me. When is the last time i would argue when he called to ask how to handle Michael Cohen just months ago. You know who his lawyers are now, right . Yes. Rudy giuliani, jay sekulow. Youre going to have to to have that conversation i dont think that just because youre not retained currently doesnt mean youre not a good gauge of the character of your client. Let me tell you something. Yes. The president spoke on this just this morning for the whole world to see. He said she asked him did you know about the payments. He said i knew after they were made. Yeah. But lets focus on the two big stories of the week according to cnn and msnbc. Manafort and cohen. Lets focus on those. Where in the manafort trial is Russia Collusion trump i dont care. The president lied about what he knew about these women. He should not lie to the American People in their face time and again. The Washington Post does a blow by blow take through. Its the first lie theyve ever flagged in dr thr zblsh i hav i have a very simple question for you. Why is it not important for you to replay and talk about the president s own words . Why dont you show him answering that question . Because hes lying. You dont want people to see him answering the question. What are you talking about . We play him all the time. Ill play his voice saying to Michael Thocohen what are we go to do and how are we going to do it and what do you mean about financing . Play the tape. Remind everybody what he said to Michael Cohen. No, no. Play the tape. No, not that tape. Play the tape. You know what tape we should ive spoken to Allen Weisselberg about how to set the whole thing up with funding did you know about the 130,000 payment to Stormy Daniels . No. No. Did you know about the payments . Later on i knew. Later on. He knew later on. He knew before. Hes lying. Wait. Is that Michael Cohen and President Trump talking about the you know what tape i want to hear . Kellyanne. Excuse me. Tell us whats on the tape of chris cuomo and Michael Cohen. Whats on the twohour tape of the two of you. Tons of stuff. Okay. Well, tell it. Ill tell you why i cant. Because theres a little difference between you and me and the shop youre working for. Integrity. The white house . How dare you . How dare me . You admit hes lying about these things. Its as plain as the nose on my face. You should admit hes lying. And you dont. Thats why people dont trust you. Thats why. Maybe your audience doesnt. And you want me to answer your question . I will. Michael cohen had a conversation with me. He asked me excuse me. He asked me not to record it. I said i wont. He said just to be careful, let me have your phone. I said here. He heene sa even said well take our phones and put it away. He then recorded me on a secondary device. How do you feel about that . I think it was dishonest. And ill tell you what, you want to know what we talked about in the conversation . Im not going to tell you. You know why . Because it was off the record and i respect that. Even though he did me wrong. Thats called integrity. What do you do when people arent watching . Im still not going to burn him even though he did something wrong. He can answer that for himself. Ill tell you what. Theres nothing on it that im worried about. I know why you guys want to leak it. Hold on a second. This isnt about me. You tried. You failed. He is on that tape no, you tried he is on there with Michael Cohen excuse me. Christopher hes lying about not knowing before are you going to talk about and you should admit it. No, you have to admit it. No, i dont. Are you kidding me . Ill tell you why. Because you say to people the president just answered the question the truth isnt the truth. He says dont believe what you see and hear. No, no, no. Hes saying and it is all destroying peoples sense of normalcy and decency hold on. You dont ask questions. You just want to ive asked you six times and you dont want to answer it. Ive asked you ten times the same question and you dont answer it truthfully once. President already answered the question. Hes lying. Thats what you think. Thats what the Washington Post says. Thats what Michael Cohen says. Thats what david pecker says. And i think its going to end up he disappointed you . Youre disappointing me right now. It doesnt mean youre not my friend. It doesnt mean i think you lie all the time just because youre disappointed me. Youve got about ten times the words i have so far and im the the guest. Because youre not answering a simple question. Heres a very simple answer to you. When you say to me that this is why the audience doesnt trust you you know Audience Trust the white house. Because all day long on your network all they hear is how terrible we all are, that we lack integrity, that we lie. He lies. What is it you think i lie about . Tell the world. Im asking you no, no. Answer. To admit were not going to let you that he is lying about what happened on these payments. I dont think it is helpful to you to play games about something thats so petty. Do you think its a lie, true or false, do you think its a lie that i. C. E. And cbp were honored this week on monday by the president of the United States for all the great work theyre doing, that the mayor of philadelphia danced the jig or whatever the heck he was doing
after he announced that philadelphia would no longer give data to i. C. E. And turned around and the guy who had been deported came back five years later, i. C. E. Asked for a detainer for the man, philadelphia let him go and he raped a 5yearold child . None of this is fact . None of this is true . Who says its not fact . Who says its not true . How is that less relevant than you trying to get me to answer the same question 12 times . Because you keep ducking it. He lied, kellyanne. Im not ducking. He answered the question. He lied. Why are his words not important to you . Because hes lying. They are important to me. Im asking you about them because they are a Material Misrepresentation of fact for the purposes of deception. No. Thats a lie. What crime was committed . What charges were filed against donald trump this week . The bar of proper behavior by a president is not a felony. Okay . Do you think anything you just said excuse me. He didnt commit a felony. Im saying you lie, that matters. That is a crime against the American People. Its a crime of leadership. Its a crime of integrity. He said he stop lying to them. After and he is he knew about the payments later on. And hes lying. You know what a lie is . That on july 27th you guys came out with this big report, nobodys retracting it yet. Three big by lines let me get you on the record the other way. Do you think the president s telling the truth that he never knew about the payments until after hes saying he knew them after the fact. I never knew about them. I dont care about when you knew about them. You should absolutely care about that. No. I care about him. Ill tell you why. You should absolutely care that the Campaign Manager for the winning part of the campaign think that theres nothing to be gained in meeting with russians, in talking to people in moscow instead of michigan and mecklenburg county, north carolina. You should very much care that i dont know about payments i care about excuse me. And you should be reminded that every single night cnn was featuring another woman with another story. You played the access Hollywood Tape constantly thinking that it would hurt the candidate, he would never be
elected. Cnn interfered in the election daily by shifting the scales are we a foreign inimical power with your foreign polling this is excuse me. That he could never win. People saying we didnt cover his lying and bad character enough. Thats what i get covered for. Unless youre getting 50 every time you say the word. It used to be collusion. Tonight its lying. They both matter, by the way. Both words matter. Really . We dont know if theres proof of one. Theres an investigation going on that our president disrupts every chance he gets. And lying you cover that more than the booming economy, more than the low Unemployment Rate. More than and he talks about this more thaen talks about all of those you are a worldclass journalist. You used to go to plane crash sites and cover war. I go now. I was in helsinki and saw one of the most embarrassing things ive seen in my life. We saw what you wrote about it. It was really embarrassing. Will you take that back . Was that a big lie . Wa t. Was embarrassing 37 . A story cnn published on july 27th. It was embarrassing what happened in helsinki and im
glad you didnt have to experience it the way we did. Im not ignoring anything. Im speaking to what is true. And ive got to tell youing . Booming economy this is going the way i thought it might. Consumer confidence. Those are all good indices. I talk about what matters on this show all the time. What i dont get is president was asked the same question that youre asking me and he answered it. And he lied. No. Only he knows what he believes only he knows what he knew. Only he knows what he believes . Only he knows what he experienced. But thats not true. Because you say so . Because its not a matter of perspective. Its not an eyewitness testimony. Hes not the only one who knows if hes telling the truth. Tell me where this is going. Michael cohen knows. David pecker knows. Where is the impeachment mr. Weisselberg do you think he should be impeached . Its not my call to make. But cnn and msnbc said the word 222 times yesterday for an average of 3. 5 once every 3. 5 minutes you think we should Tell The Truth to the American People . Do you think he should Tell The Truth to the American People . Yes. And i think you should too. And heres do you think he should be impeached if hes been shown to be lying to the American People consistently about criminal conduct . Going back to north korea again because youre trying to is he going there before or after he goes to south africa to help out those white farmers . Chris, be serious. That he mistakenly told people are being hunted down and killed do you think thats a smart thing . You dont want to talk about that . The south africa tweeted last night. I want to talk about what matters to americans because i actually talk to them every day. Im not perched in some anchors lair, i mean chair, telling everybody, pontificating about whats important to them. I read the mail that comes to the white house, good bad and ugly. I go out to talk to people. And they say we dont care if the president lies to us and criminal conduct . What they care about is that the president is doing everything he said he would do. Hes keeping his promises. Did he promise to tell them the truth . We were told there was going to be global recession and including on this network. We were told that everything, the economy would never be the same, it would be a huge
disaster, and it went in the opposite direction. Does that mean its okay for him to lie about criminal conduct . Is that all youre i want you to own it. I want you to own it the way his former lawyer did. You want me to Say Something i want you to own the truth. Thats what i want you to do. That he has denied. I worked next to him every single day. You know what i see . I see somebody whos doing his best for this country and the results show it and you know it. What is the message of his opposition . Hold on. I dont know it. You dont know it . I dont. You know why . Because you and i are wealthy. Because our kids youre cuesing one simple metric of success in leadership. If youre one of the 6 million americans who received a bonus or a raise, if youre quho did better in that tax cut, People Like Us or people that voted for trump in the middle class . 83 cents of every dollar went to People Like Us. You want to play facts i can. I study them all the time. Please. Youre not letting a woman talk somebody comes in here to represent the president youre not letting me you get the same treatment from me. Youre not letting me speak. No. But you are dissembling and distracting. Youre not letting me speak. 83 cents of every dollar went to the top. Okay . The black Unemployment Rate went down with the main Unemployment Rate but relative to white it is still just as bad. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Why doesnt it thats the right measure. Why doesnt it matter to you that it does matter. Excuse me. Why doesnt it matter to the 6. 6 million available jobs right now for americans who wanted it . The president is working on Prison Reform. Hes breaking the back of the Opioid Crisis. Hes not breaking the back of the Opioid Crisis. Its terrible. We both know it is. Its spreading. You guys want to address it and i respect that. I cant let you say things that arent true. Thats whatnot this shows about. Thats fox. You go to fox for that. Okay. Im so glad you mentioned fox because none of you are able to get through most of your shows without mentioning them. What are you talking about . I almost never mention them to be so jealous of fox newss ratings. Im jealous of the opportunities they get to test power. They just dont take them. Thats what im jealous about. I answered every question youre asking me. Thats where you got the answers. Im not in the business of attacking people in the business. You do no, you didnt let me talk about the things that matter. Let me tell you. If youre going to argue about the economy youve got to be straight about it. You want to talk about africanamericans in the economy be straight about it. The gap between rich and poor, the gap between Black And White is as bad as its been and it should be addressed. You dont get credit for what you dont do. How do you think poverty went in the last eight years, do you think it went up or down . The nuv people in poverty. I know. Up. By over 700,000. What is the Unemployment Rate among africanamericans and hispanics, veterans, people with just a High School Degree or less . Women. Way down. Why isnt that good . It was good. It was good when it was happening under obama too. Now its good its happening under trump. He raised taxes i just did a whole comparative analysis of it. How Many Americans dont have health care 8 1 2 years after obamacare . Oh, i know. And what did you do it to try to wreck it . Getting rid of the individual mandate. Lets see whats happening with Peoples Insurance right now. Saying were not breaking the back of the Opioid Crisis because and the house legislation hr6, i know will never get a platform otherwise on cnn because its too important you come on tv to talk about opioids wait a anyone it passed wait a minute. Who brought you on tv to talk about opioids . What is it about articulate women on tv that bother you as guests . Hey, christopher you dont have to play cheap with me. 2015 to 16 the number of Overdose Deaths in this country increased by 22 . From 16 to 17 it increased by 10 . Were trying to slow the growth. Slowing the growth is not shutting it down. I think what youre trying to do is g. I think the president saying what he said the other day you have to look at what china is doing and how theyre importing theyre synthetic opioids. Fentanyl. If your audience Doesnt Know What of course they know what it is. We talk about this on a regular basis. I had did a documentary about it. I huh on to talk about it what youre saying is disingenuous. And its another attempt to make people dislike the media and
thats unamerican. Impeachment. What do you think is mentioned more on cnn . 29,000 people died last year in this country because 30,000 of fentanyl. Zero died because of impeachment. Zero died because of collusion. Thats not the bar of president ial behavior. Heres what youre saying. If the economys good, so if the economys good, then you can lie whenever you want, you can divide the country any way you want. You can play the racist sympathies whenever you want but its okay because the stock markets up. Is that y