The white house counselor back on prime time tonight. Then, Michael Cohen, he has no Cooperation Agreement but he is talking, hes meeting with mueller for hours, about various issues with investigators into trump. What he knew and maybe even his tax taxes my friends, there is no time to waefrt, lets get after it. Heres what we know. Fords lawyers say monday is out. Shell testify next week, but they see monday as more of a pressure tactic than a practical consideration. They do say next week with certain bro tekss. Her team is pushing for thursday. What kind of protections. Security, to make sure shes not in the same room as kavanaugh. Earlier this week, her lawyer had asked for an fbi investigation. The question is, why isnt kavanaugh pushing for the fbi as well. Their efforts could help him as much or more than ford. And how about the president . Doesnt he want to remove any doubt before he saddles his pick and the court with the stigma of this kind of ugly speculation . Or is he among the new wave of confidence that hes going to be fine, even before theyve heard a word from ford. Here to talk about it is kellyanne conway. Welcome back to the show. Thank you, chris. Help us understand this switch. There hasnt been any testimony, and were hearing more and more republicans, especially on the Senate Committee saying kavanaugh is going to be fine. We think maybe shes mistaken. How do they know when they havent heard anything. You just told your audience you wanted to lay out everything you learned. You omitted cleverly a very important fact. Judge kavanaugh said he wasnt there. And this is not this is no longer she said he said, its she said and he said he wasnt there. What is the difference . Excuse what do you mean whats the difference . Whats the difference . Judge kavanaugh found out the identity of the individual on sunday for the first time. By monday he had already given his statement to the committee. Right. And so he has subjected himself again as he did over 30 hours of oral testimony in front of the whole world to see to the same committee as he did in response to 1300 written questions. To six fbi vets, including one completed six months ago. He has submitted himself under penalty of perjury or under penalty for lying to congress. All of this under oath. Right. And so he is willing. He was willing this last monday just less than 24 hours after hearing the womans name for the first time, he was willing to testify and clear his name and say under oath what he has said otherwise, which is unequivocally and categorically this is not true. He was willing to do it last monday. Shes not willing to do it the following monday. We have said from the beginning that they both should be heard, and the process we respect the process, the Senate Judiciary process, theyre charged with advising and consenting to the president on Supreme Court nominations. And you need to if youre going to be looking for the facts and the truth, you cant omit important facts. What have i omit ted. I just told you, you omitted the fact that he said ive said it many times, ill say it many times. Youre missing my point. My point is, you guys said you wanted a process, you wanted her to be heard. Yes. And then you said they accommodated her. I dont remember a lot of things that happen when i was 15, maybe shes forgotten. We dont know what shes forgotten. I didnt say shes forgotten. Do not put words in my mouth. Let me know if theres a question lurking in there. Why not make the best efforts. Heres what you need to know. These are our best efforts. Not having the fbi is the best effort . The fbi has vetted this man completely six different times. They havent vetted this. You dont know that. I do know that. You dont know that. You want to lay the blame at somebodys feet, look no further than your democratic friends starting with senator feinstein. If dr. Ford is what does that have to do it no, no, dont interrupt thats just politics. You think you can talk over me, ill walk away. You guys begged me to come on and then you want to interrupt me. Hold on. Youre always welcome to come on, but i have to stop you and check filibuster. Go ahead. Nothing came out of my mouth yet. I can leave and we can watch him get confirmed next week. How do you know thats going to happen . Christopher how do you know thats going to happen. Im not upset about anything. How do you know before shes even testified. Where does your confidence come from. This woman said she wanted to be heard. Her lawyer went on television after 7 00 a. M. Eastern time on monday and said in response to a question, would your client be willing to testify . Yes, she would be willing to testify. She will do whatever it takes to get her story out. The Senate Immediately started to accommodate that request, and they have they said that she can do it through a form of her choosing, she can do it privately, publicly, by telephone, in person. They have bent over backwards to accommodate this request. There are two people involved here, not just the one youre promoting. Judge kavanaugh has testified for over 30 hours but not about this. Oh, no, no. Excuse me. He was grilled for 30 hours. Not on this. I know youre friends on the democratic side, as jake tapper said you can lay it anyway you want. No, excuse me. Personal insults of me, nobody cares about that. Hey, chris. Speak to this. This man has denied being there. Does that matter to you . Of course it matters. Do you think this process is fair to judge kavanaugh and his wife and two daughters. Do you think its fair to those young female basketball players who hes coached who have to open up the hometown paper youre making it look like hell testify tomorrow, he would have testified yesterday christopher who is hiding, hes ready to testify. Hes ready. Shes not. Why wont you have the fbi look at it and perfect have some kind of objective record of this. You know. Lets back up, lets say for example the fbi going to investigate. What are they investigating. She doesnt remember where the house was, how she got home, how she got there. She remembers people being there. Tell me what they would be investigating. Who did what to her. They could talk to the people who she names. They have field agents, they go places and know how to ask questions. They can present a record the fbi is in charge of background checks and the fbi is in charge of security clearances and background checks. Dont forget that. Thats a direct analogy to anita hill. No, it is not. You know it. How . In many different ways. They were two colleagues and her allegations were about something that happened when those two worked together. Disproven, of course, that disproven . It happened when they worked together. It wasnt disproven. A short amount of time before all of that. You are asking the fbi to get involved, but earlier in the week, you and your network were fine with just having this woman testify because she said she wanted to testify i was never find with any of it from the beginning. I have been asking why the fbi is not involved from the first day. Are you okay with kavanaughs wife getting threats . Im not happy with any of this. If dr. Ford is upset, she ought to be upset with whoever eleaked her name. That entire chain of custody she should also be upset with who sexually assaulted her. Who smoked her out. Thats politics, kellyanne. No. Its all ugly politics. Christopher, its not ugly politics. I think shes mistaken. How does he flow if shes mistaken. How do you know shes not. We dont know anything, because she wont testify. She is going to testify. When . Whats taking so long. Do you really believe this is an equal opportunity . Sleaze coming into a place as a woman who says someone attempted to sexually assault her. 33 years ago. Shes getting death threats, her family isnt living into her house none of you ever care if any of us get it. Can we focus on the person who no, no, were going to focus on the culture that has been created here. You guys are not the victims tonight. A good man whos been through six fbi answered 1300 written questions, testified for over 30 hours. The democrat that those Democratic Senators wasted raising money for their 2020 president ial bids, shouteding him down, talking more than asking him actual questions to answer. I am spartacus. Shame on them. Shame on them for the grandstanding and bad politics. But they didnt know about her. She wants to tell the men of america to just shut up, what is that . Thats politics. You have to be fair to that is not politics. This is a confirmation hearing to the United StatesSupreme Court. You cant have it both ways. You cant say the stakes are high for a lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court and then say, its just politics. Well, then dr. Ford should be very upset that Democratic Politics includes members of her own party smoking her out after she asked for confidentiality, no republican did that to her. The republicans are the whole reason she will have an opportunity that is a fair line of criticism. To testify. That is a fair line of criticism. What are the conditions. Ive never said otherwise. What are her conditions . Security and she wanted around objective record put together. The conditions i also understand, maybe she wants him to testify first. Do you have that reporting tonight . Right, i saw that. The lawyers talked to cnn, they talk to the judiciary plenty of times, when theyre not headlining fundraisers for democratic i dont want to mix the petty politics of both sides no, no, you want transparency and accountability. So lets talk about peoples motives here . No, because that doesnt go to the main matter. The matter is, what do you do now to secure the best chance of obtaining truth when these two people come before you . Okay can you and i agree that the best way to get the truth is to have them both testify under oath next week about this particular incident . Thats part of it. This alleged incident. Thats part of it. Whats the other part . You should try to get any other viable witnesses. Hes already testified, given his statement about this. He gave a statement, he didnt testify under oath. You dont know that. Mark judge. Not mark judge. The man judge kavanaugh. The accused who says he wasnt there. I went early this week, i said that she should not be ignored, she should not be insulted. Not only has she not been ignored, shes been accommodated, were waiting for her to testify. Everybody wants to hear her, everyone from the president to judge kavanaugh to the Senate Judiciary committee, theyve given her, played good on the promise her lawyer made on tv. That she wanted to come forth and testify. And do what she had to do to get her theres no question about that. You cant take anything away from it. So remember, shes been rushed and what shes been thinking about this for a long time it sounds like. This is what she didnt tell anybody for 30 years, she has been theiring about this for a long time, judge kavanaugh had less than 24 hours from the time he learned her name they are completely different situations. If you believe that she believes it lets not say its true. If you believe that she believes this, that she is in good faith in believing that this was done to her, they are completely on uneven ground. You know very well no, thats not true, and ill tell you why. Someone who knows the psychology of this, it is very hard for women to come forward. But he it is not unusual for them to have memory gaps about certain details of an event. Sure, but how is that going to change between now and next week . She said earlier she went to democrats saying, i really dont want to do this, im anonymous, use it for what its worth. And her friend posted on facebook, and had to retract it. Now people want me to go on tv and back it up. I didnt mean what i said. Shes not helpful. She will be her own advocate here, shell have to. Heres my concern. This is a struggle, this is hard, we dont have standards, we dont have rules, we dont know how to judge these situations there is a process in the Senate Judiciary not to judge this the senate has hosted sincetive witnesses in the past, who also had threats to their safety. Its not about threat to the safety, how do you judge yes, it is, shes concerned about that, that should be respected. How do you judge them, how do you figure out if they are both credible. I think youre no, im not. If theyre both credible what do you do . Let me ask you this, is it possible do you put someone on the Supreme Court with a 50 50 proposition. Its possible something happened to her and kavanaugh was not there. That is possible. Okay. Well, then, we should have both of them testify as to that particular why not have everyone you can find that could be relevant testify. Why not use the fbi, why not send america a message that we care about these allegations enough, and the judge enough let me ask the senate do everything we can to show you that we cared about what matters. Let me ask the senate right now then, through your show, because theyre employed by the taxpayers, this is a Senate Confirmation hearing, the senate has the resources at hand to conduct the investigation that you just suggested. They can do that. Youre trying to involve the fbi. Yes. Because theyre objective. All kinds of stall tactics. Of course they are. Theres all kinds of stall tactics. It took three days with anita hill. What about that it took three days with anita hill. Thats a different set of facts, and you know it. I dont. They can track people down, its been too long. This is i think youre really anita hill i heard your opening, something i didnt understand at all. The stigma of spec wlags yeah. What does that mean . You leave judge kavanaugh with the stain of this kind of speculation that maybe this happened. What stain . Hes willing to testify. And you rushed it through, what does that mean for his legacy on the court . What does that mean for confidence in chris, he was norm natured. You have two of six men with this type of speculation no, no, dont you go there. Justice thomas has served honorably and admirably for over 25 years now. So do not i can only go where history takes us. Anita hill came up and said things. She had an opportunity to speak. And some people believed her, some people didnt. He was confirmed, he sat on the court ever since. Let me make one thing clear. The industry thats been the hardest hit through allegations of Sexual Assault and Sexual Harassment is probably the media. Maybe thats because we take it the most seriously. And done the most to try to get to the truth of the allegations. Yes, taken very seriously. And not rush people through a process and put them in front of a hostile panel. You want me to name names of people in the media who are no longer in the media doesnt that show the need no, no. And now im going to make amends with all the women that ive hurt and sexually assaulted and sexually harassed. That isnt exactly how it went down, and we can name names. Why waste my time. You seem to be waste time no, no, no, youre not being honest, youre besmurching two good men. Who . Justice thomas and judge kavanaugh all allegations are not even. Im not going to let you do it. Hes willing to deny it under oath. Willing to get to the truth. Why is it not enough for you that a man has gone through six fbi vets who said he wasnt there, whos willing to testify under oath, was willing to do it last monday i think that thats all good. Next monday when she wont come. Thats all good. Has submitted to 1300 written questions. Has produced 1 million pages from his time in government. My favorite poll was what you put on twitter last night, does he deserve the presumption. 2 to 1 it said he deserved the presumption. Im not going to say that. Why would i undermine it . It should be enough that this man was nominated to the Supreme Court before 75 days ago or so no one is saying anything about this. The average this is a new issue. You. Know why . No, no, no, you know why. The best chance of being proven too. Because he says he wasnt there. I understand he says that. He never would have raised it you should hear what she says and then were waiting. I have to let you go. Were waiting, were waiting, were waiting for her to testify. I know. In front of the Senate Judiciary committee. I hope she does. I certainly hope she does too. I think the country is waiting for that. In the meantime, you should recognize that there are two individuals and two families here who have been hurt. No question. And your role as a dad should kick in once in a while. Not your role as an anchor trying to get ratings. Kellyanne, i will never understand why you think coming at me personally is going to change how i am. Im not coming at you personally. I appreciate you judging me as a parent, as a member of the media, when were all bad people. I didnt say that. No, no, no, dont put that in my mouth. I said as everyone preens around about these allegations, dont forget the industry thats been hit the hardest. I dont know how thats relevant in anyway. I really dont. But i have to let you go. Have you given all those women i hope youll have all those women on sometimes who have made credible allegations against people in the media, many of those men are not even any longer in the media about. And im glad you see that as a good way to reflect on what should be done in this situation here now. No, no, no. Im saying everyone deserves to be heard. 100 . I said that first about her, but judge kavanaugh has been heard and hes willing to be heard again until oath. I understand, im not taking anything away from that. I think youre handicapping him and trying to rush this through. I have to go, well talk about this more next week when we see how it turns out. Youre always welcome on the show, be well. Michael cohen reportedly has been spilling the beans to mueller and company. Last week the president s former Campaign Chair agreed to cooperate, the list is growing. Does it matter . And if so . How . Weve laid it out for you on the magic wall next. It is such a good time to kiss it is such a good time to dance it is such a good time to [ laughing ] scoobidoo doobidoo scoobidoo doobidoo [ goose honking ] [ laughing ] a bad day on the road still beats a good one off it. Progressive helps keep you out there. Not in this house. cause thats no soso family. Thats your family. Which is why you didnt grab just any cheese. 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