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CNNW Erin Burnett OutFront March 15, 2018

York times the subpoena includes documents related to russia and other topics mueller is investigating. And other topics hes investigating. Think about that for a second. That means the investigation could now be at the heart of trumps business. Possibly looking at issues beyond russia. And its news that could rock this president. After all, he said mueller looking at his finances beyond russia is a red line. Mueller was looking at your finances and familys finances, is that a red line . I would say yes. And when pressed at the white house today about whether mueller subpoena of the Trump Organization is crossing that red line, the White House Press secretary Sarah Sanders tried to dodge. Is the president still believe does he draw a distinction, do you know, between a red line on Family Finances separately from Family Finances or Business Finances relating to a russia as it pertains to this case . The president believes very strongly there was no collusion between the Trump Campaign and russia. We are going to continue to cooperate with the special counsel. And for questions specific to the Trump Organization i would refer you to them. I would refer you to them. Of course, the president has not sold his stake in the Trump Organization and merely transferred his daytoday operations to his sons. Both of whom vocally defend him politically constantly. So lets be clear, tonights breaking Development Shows muellers investigation could be extremely wide ranging, and if it is looking beyond russia, then looking at financial dealings family run shrouded in darkness which stretches from golf to hotels, and television. According to cnn analysis, trump owns or has a position in more than 500 companies. That includes about 150 that have done business in at least 25 Foreign Countries including turkey, qatar and saudi arabia. Places like due bay where they attended opening galas for golf courses. Just last month luxury apartments. Like vancouver ivanka trump ran the Hotel Project that they are skr scrutinizing. On a tower that never came to fruition. All of this, including any financial dealings the president may have had with russia now appear to be fair game, according to tthe New York Times. We are way over President Trumps red line. We are out outfront in washington tonight. What does this mean . Reporter as far as Robert Mueller is concerned there is no red line. Look, we dont know the details of what exactly the documents special counsel is asking for in this subpoena, which was received in recent weeks, we are told, but its clear that the top of the list has to be the trump tower moscow project way was something that was entered into letter of intent by the Trump Organization in 2015. Project that never came to fruition. But weve known for years that this was sort of Donald Trumps great white whale. Chasing a deal in russia for decades. And we also know that according to people weve talked to that some witnesses brought before the special counsel, they have been asked specifically about that deal. So it bears to mind essentially that project is at the top of the list of the things that special counsel would be interested in getting documents for. Whats interesting about this subpoena that was sent to the Trump Organization, erin, is also the fact that the organization had previously voluntarily turned over thousands of pages of documents. The documents that they had previously turned over to congressment and they had also given to the special counsel. So this indicates that there are documents that perhaps the special counsel believes has not been turned over or they are trying to make sure that everything they needed has been turned over. We did get a statement from allen who is an attorney for the Trump Organization. He says that the organization is cooperating with the investigation. He says its old news. But i have to tell you, erin, the fact they received a subpoena, thats new. That is new. And obviously hugely significant. Thank you very much, evan perez. And i want to go now to john dean white House Counsel during watergate. And david gergen served as adviser to four president s. John let me start with you. You heard the reporting eve insaying looking at things like the moscow tower they asked a lot of questions about, the New York Times saying mueller wants some documents, and others related to other topics. Hes investigating. What is the significance of this . How deep could this go, john . Well, its significant in a number of ways. First of all, it does show the bre breadth and depth of the investigation. Hes being very thorough. As evan said he doesnt know if they are being responsive in turning over the documents. But it certainly will get to this point. Its not surprising. This is a plan plays by the book, special counsel, and doing it by the book, and on strongest ground to get this information when he issues a grand jury subpoena like this. Kim, does it mean that he doesnt trust the Trump Organization . Thats an important point evan made that john picked up on. They handed over thousands of pages voluntarily. Do you put a subpoena out if you think they were cooperating and gave you everything you want or not . Well, here he is being really thorough. The difference with subpoena is that we have the power behind it. And any respondent cant get cued and forget to turn over documents and then say whoops i didnt mean to if it were to be uncovered through some other source, right. So here the mueller team knows that they are going to have to produce documents with the awareness that if they fail to brow dues documents, they might be in court and ultimately held in content. So they are doing it, as was said, by the book, and to ensure that they have some strength hf the subpoena power behind it if there is noncompliance. David, i wanted to play again what the president said with the interview in New York Times last summer when he laid the red line out very specifically. Here it is. Mueller was looking at your finances and your familys finances unrelated to russia. Is that a red line . Would that be a breach of what his actual target is . i would say es. David, does this appear to cross the president s red line to you . It certainly could in the president s mind. I think there is some evidence to support the idea that he has anticipated this a little bit. You know, it appeared the president and his team thought this whole thing was winding down. But last week they decided they needed new legal help in the white house. They are expanding their team. Must have anticipated this to some degree. But the cynic in me raises the question, erin, of whether in the last few days the rumors that have been surfacing that the president is about to fight sessions, attorney general, would suggest that perhaps he does think a red line has been crossed. If he fires sessions, i think a lot of us will be reinforced in the view that he did that because he thought mueller was getting too close. Because if he has a new ag he may well fire mueller. So i think there is a lot going on when we look back a lot of dots to be connected. In hindsight it may all appear clear. Kim, we understand subpoena is for business documents from the Trump Organization. What is the significance of that specifically . What do you get from these business documents, which again could be about, as we said, anything, russia, vancouver, we dont know the understand. Three lines of inquiry here. One is any crimes committed with what we know was russia influence in the election. Right. So mueller is concerned about provable crimes before a jury trial. The second would be following the money. And here we have transactions that occurred with potential negotiations for tran action that occurred during the campaign. We know from his own team that tax returns include some transactions with russians over the past ten years. That doesnt include any intermediary transactions and we know that mueller has gone after money laundering. And third is obstruction of justice. So to the extent there is some kind of shady dealings create a motive fom some other crime ks squarely within the mandate which is matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation. I think thats the key point, arose, right. So arose doesnt mean related to it, arose in that investigation, and maybe it takes you over here, maybe related, maybe not, still came from that original inquiry. John, the Trump Organization claiming today theyve been fully cooperative. White house says they are going to continue to fully cooperate. But mueller did issue a subpoena. So is fully cooperative fair to say . Well, its interesting that we are just getting word of the subpoena today or late yesterday. And what is true in all these investigations, it was true in watergate and other investigations ive looked at, that the news reporting generally follows anywhere from two weeks to two months behind what actual events happen, often internally during the investigation itself. So this subpoena has been out there, and the trump people havent really made any noise about it. They may have well have been the leak that provided this information to the New York Times. So they are slow in reacting. They havent, in other words, he didnt blow his stack anywhere over this that, that we know of. So there may be some degree of cooperation in trying to deal with this. And yet, david, its interesting when you look at the set up in the Trump Organization. Donald trump didnt divest of his holdings, he divested of daytoday leadership running of the Trump Organization, which his sons have taken over. And they have done so frankly even as they have continued to do television appearances, defend him on twitter, and even overseas on trump business talked about politics. Absolutely. But i think, erin, what is a bit of a surprise tonight is that there is working assumption has been the investigation was centering on activities in his Political Organization were they colluding in his campaign with the russians. So the issue has been how far into the white house has the investigation proceeded. Was it coming close to the oval office. But tonight its actually they are looking now at a different organization, not Political Organization, but business organization. And thats a much more labyrinth than affair that will take a long time to sort out. But to go to johns point maybe two weeks ahead of whats taking place. Maybe hes putting together the political and family organization. And for donald trump that could be a formidable problem. Where the motive would be, where the evidence would be, isnt it . Well, certainly, as was mentioned, the scope and breatheth of this could be mastiff. And the big distinction here between prior investigations including white water that i worked on, is we have russians involved. We have another government that our democracy is currently under attack by. And this administration and congress hasnt done much to stop it. So i really hope we are not at a situation where this president is going to consider dismantling our system of justice at the very moment where every american needs to see this through. All right, thank you all, very much. Obviously the big question tonight what is the president s response to red line being crossed publicly now that we all know. Thank you so much. Next, new sanctions against russia for u. S. Meddling. 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The original place to invest online. New tonight the white house refusing to say if russia is friend or foe. In simple terms is putin a friend or foe of the United States . I think russia will have to make that determination. Decide whether they want to be a good actor or bad actor. This is the head of the u. S. European command warns that Russian Military activity in the air, on the land, and at sea levels not seen since the cold war. Tonight moscow threatening to retaliate from new sanctions. Ahead ben cardin. Senator, you know a lot about this. Lets start with Sarah Sanders, whats your reaction to her not labeling russia friend or foe to the United States . Erin, russia has acted as foe to the United States. They attacked us in 2016. Attacked us in 2018 elections. They have attacked our allies. As we saw in u. K. , they are involved in poisoning in the u. K. They have invaded other countries, such as ukraine. They have interfered directly in opposition, funding opposition in certain countries, they financ financed a coup in the in teg tra. Certainly a foe. She asked if president putin is playing President Trump and play that for you, senator. Is Vladimir Putin playing President Trump . Not at all. The president has said in the past that if we can Work Together to combat world threats on things like north korea, then we should. But the president is also shown that hes been extremely tough on russia throughout his administration. You heard her, she says extremely tough. Today the Trump Administration did finally impose sanctions, 19 russian individuals, five russian entities. Is that extremely tough, senator . Is it proof trump is now standing up to putin or not . No, it has not been extremely tough. These sanctions should have been imposed before now. Some of these sanctions duplicative of what has been done. Long way to go Authority Given by president by congress, by overwhelming vote. Some of these sanctions are mandatory that have yet to be imposed. No. When you look at what other countries have done that were attacked by mr. Putin, their actions were very definitive. To this date, President Trump has yet to say that mr. Putin was involved in our elections, where everyone knows that they were. So he has yet to take President Trump, a tough stance publicly against mr. Putin. And if you dont, mr. Putin will take it as far as he possibly can. Look, we want to work with all countries in the world. We want to work with russia. But if you allow mr. Putin to continue to take these actions against our interests, with no repercussions, hell take it further and further. Well, of course, as we pointed out, air, land, sea, ugs head of european command saying we are at levels havent seen since the cold war. The president has referred to the special counsels investigation as a witch hunt, hoax. Its important all 13 people indicted by mueller for election interference are on the sanctions list that came out from this straadministration. Do you think the president will now admit the Russian In

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