A news and interview program, anchored by Erin Burnett. Client, the president , sit down with the Special Counsel. You will recall the latest proposal from mueller willing to limit the number of questions about obstruction of justice. They made clear they wanted to ask the questions in person. They want to limit the questions in person to events that happened before he was inaugurated as the president. That doesnt seem something that mueller is willing to budge on either. The president is at odds with his legal team. He believes if he gets facetoface with Robert Mueller he can prove his innocence and that that interview can bring all of this to an end. The president s legal team has made quite clear they do not think this is a good idea. They are advising their client against it. One of the president s attorneys put it best today when he said ultimately this final decision will be up to president trump. Thank you very much. At the time and we can evoke privilege. When it comes to the question of collusion during the transition or conspiracy, he wasnt president. So they dont have much of a case there to make. They understand that. So i think what they are trying to do is say we will do one thing and not the other. But its not up to them. Its up to mueller. And the big gamble here is the lawyers believe that Mueller Will In The End he doesnt want to drag this out. Its a game of chicken. Dare, whatever you want to call it. We dont know what mueller is thinking. This whole obstruction of justice, there are other issues, whether there is financial fraud and collusion. We know obstruction appears to be the main point of contention at this time. Jim comey, here is what trump said to lester holt. He has said why he fired comey. Here is one of his reasons. Regardless of recommendation i was going to fire comey knowing there was no good time to do it. In fact, when i decided to just do it i said to myself this russia thing with trump and russia is a made up story, an excuse by the democrats for having lost an election that they should have won. So he has answered the question and said regardless of recommendation and other times he said it is the recommendation of rod rosenstein. Saying asking the question of why did you fire comey would be a perjury trap. Where does this go . Its not a perjury trap because its not as if you are only interviewing him in order to hope that he lies. You are interviewing him to try to figure out why did you fire comey. You have some information from the lester holt interview. You want to get the right result. You would like to ask him what were you thinking when you did that. Do they have competency he will tell the truth in the interview with mueller . I dont know whether he will tell the truth or not. If you are the Special Prosecutor you have to make every effort to get that interview if you think it is important. You could fold up that part of the investigation without interviewing him and say we offered him the opportunity to tell his side of the story. He declined. We interviewed all these other people who they have. And they have the notes of people. They have contemporaneous interviews. The trump people are saying you dont need trump. He doesnt write emails. Why do you need him when you have other peoples recollections . Except you want to know his intent. As gloria points out, this could be all about does mueller have the guts to subpoena the
president of the United States . Does he . Do you think . I certainly think he has the guts to subpoena him. Mueller is a combination of practical theorists. They are thinking carefully about what is the main issue to subpoena. Its really about if you have a very bad situation like a rogue president people are like lets issue a subpoena and put his feet to the fire. You have to think what kind of law you end up with. If you get a bad ruling from the Supreme Court too much deference to the executive we are stuck with that for a long time. Jay secolo says trump subpoenaed the other lawyer. Here is what he said would happen if mueller actually subpoenaed the president. If you get a subpoena you
file a motion to quash. That is filed with the District Court and court of appeals. A subpoena for live testimony has never been tested in court as to a president of the United States. There is a lot of language, articles and precedent against that. So he could do it, mueller. He could fail. It would take a lot of time and that really hurts mueller if he loses. I think it does because as long as the Subpoena Battle is open he will not want to say i closed the investigation. It will take a long time. Although i think that the outcome is that mueller will win, we dont know. There is always litigation risks. So here is the other thing. The issue of the president wanting to do an interview. There are different schools of thought, him saying it as bs or means it. He has said it. Here is what he said. Are you going to talk to mueller . Im looking forward to it,
actually. Would you like to testify to Special CounselRobert Mueller . I would love to speak. Nobody wants to speak more than me. True . It is against his lawyers. Does he want to speak . The first clip you showed was in january. They were set to sit down at camp david in january for an interview. That is when he said i want to do it. I was told after Michael Cohens office was raided that it was someone said this is a game changer for trump. He was so mad about it and mad at mueller. Maybe he has shifted a little bit. This is a president who believed that he could change kim jongun. This is a president who believes that he can turn Vladimir Putin into somebody that we can deal with easily. So why shouldnt he believe that Robert Mueller this is what trump does. This is his m. O. If you sit down with me i can convince you of anything because i wrote the art of the deal. I know how to do this. I think in his own mind he wants to square off against mueller. Before we go, i want to ask you about the manafort trial. Manaforts lawyer asked gates if he had four extra marital affairs. The Attorney Says gates lied about the Affairs Mueller would rip up the plea deal. Do you think gates lied to mueller . I cant base my opinion on anything i may know confidentially. I will tell you that it is highly unlikely he did because of the enormous amount of
meticulous preparation that goes into this. He already pled guilty to lying once to them. He met with them Something Like 20 times in preparation for this. I will tell you, i was surprised of what happened in court with that question. I was even more surprised that the prosecution didnt hit it off to begin with. That could be an indication that they were surprised. That is not good news for rick gates. It means they didnt know about it. I know we say this just as a human being. It may be easier for people to be honest about lying on taxes than it is to be honest about having extra marital affairs. New york republican congressman Chris Collins is about to speak live pleading not guilty today to Insider Trading and lying to the fbi. This is the first time he will speak. New results coming in from last nights crucial Special Election in ohio. That race getting tighter. Democrats new Election Strategy pushing women who are veterans to run for office. The latest in our series born to run. Hard to believe but its all coming back me. Baby, baby, baby. All you can eat is back, baby. Applebees. Humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. Serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened; as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. Before treatment, get tested for tb. Tell your doctor if youve been to areas where certain fungal infections are common, and if youve had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flulike symptoms or sores. Dont start humira if you have an infection. Help stop the clock on further irreversible joint damage. Talk to your rheumatologist. Right here. Right now. Humira. Breaking news, new york republican congressman Chris Collins is about to speak. We are awaiting him approaching that podium. He is pleading not guilty to charges of Insider Trading and lying to the fbi. Prosecutors say he tipped family
members and was able to dodge 800,000 in stock losses. He was arrested today and the other members of his family, his son and the father of his sons fian fiance, all allegedly part of this. Jessica, this is a pretty stunning thing, sitting member of congress arrested and charged with a serious crime like this. What more can you tell us about what he allegedly did . It is stunning and really the indictment is stunning because of all of the detail. It lays out a litany of phone and email evidence showing how Congressman Collins purposely passed on Inside Information when he was on the Board Of Directors for the australian Pharmaceutical Company and then lied about it to the fbi all according to prosecutors. What is interesting is how this timeline is laid out. It was june 22, 2017 at the exact same time the congressman was captured on video at a congressional picnic at the white house. That is when he received an email at 6 55 p. M. Telling him
that the companys highly anticipated drug trial had failed. This was the drug that was going to make or break the company. This information on june 22 Wasnt Publically released. That wasnt until june 22. Phone records released by the fbi in this indictment shows that collins tried to reach his son calling him four times and finally reaching him at 7 16 p. M. That is when prosecutors say he told his son about the Drug Trial Failure and that is when his son told his fiances parents. Prosecutors say her mother called her broker right away telling the broker to sell the stock when the markets opened. And then cameron allegedly called his broker at 7 42 the next morning about two hours before the markets open. In all prosecutors say Cameron Collins sold 1. 3 million shares. For him that avoided nearly 600,000 in losses here. So really a huge development, a huge indictment. I talked to people at the Southern District of new york. They say if Congressman Collins were to be convicted on all of these counts he faces up to 150 years in prison. Thank you very much. Collins is saying he is not guilty. He is going to run for office again for this fall. It is pretty incredible. He is fighting back. He will be speaking any moment. We will keep that up so the second he speaks you will hear it. I want to go to keith boykin, close friend of both individuals here Congressman Collins and the man he has been so close to and endorsed and fought for president trump. This is a pretty incredible development. He is going to be speaking any moment. He is not resigning. He wants to stay in office and he is innocent. Your response . The timeline that the government laid out today is pretty compelling evidence. The whole notion that they have the exact moment when they received the phone call and cnn has the video of him receiving the phone call. Then he tries to contact his son and communicates to him and his son communicates to his fiances parents. He sells his stock. I cant think of what possible plausible scenario that he can offer to suggest that this was an innocent excuse. You cant say that the government was trying to get you when jeff berman is a trump appointee. So i dont understand how he gets out of this. I think this is an indictment of donald trump in some ways because trump, this is a guy who was the first congressional supporter, the first person to support donald trump. Here he is now essentially
saying that he is involved in Insider Trading scandal just like tom price and wilbur ross was accused of 120 million. There are these stories about trump corruption. Its a horrible reflection of the trump administration. And you have manafort charged and gates under investigation. Financial fraud and allegations around trump. Collins, you know him. Are you surprised by his reaction . I guess if you are facing 150 years in jail you have to fight back. Im not drawing a nexus between this crime and the president. We have to stop that. This is an individual in Chris Collins who was indicted. I have known chris for about ten years. We both served at County Executives at the same time. We worked very well together. This is something he is going to have to deal with. He is proclaiming his innocence. I will believe them through the due course, the due process. I think there will be a tremendous amount of pressure for him from the eight counties in Western New York that make up his district, the party chairs for him to at some point get out. Meaning get your name off that ballot. And that can happen right after the primaries in new york he can be nominated to another position, anything. And that would allow the party chairs to fill that vacancy to run for congress in that seat. That seat, by the way, was jack kemps old seat. That has been haunted. Four of the last five representatives have left with that what do you make of this and jessica saying if he is convicted 150 years in prison. That timeline. I understand he will have some kind of his side of the story. The timeline we were giving
obviously appears very damning. There was such a significant sale of stock. It comes at a time when in his mind he knows this news information. And four days ahead of it being released to the public. It is nonpublic and material because four days later the stock price dropped. That is why he avoided 600,000 of losses. That is a decent size loss. A lot of money. It is a huge amount of money for anyone. Do you think that none of this is relevant to the president . Its an isolated case. Chris collins is facing that potential crime on his own. He wasnt conspiring with president trump. President trump is nowhere in the indictment. His character, right . Michael cohen being indicted. Rick gates admit today Money Laumoney
admitted to money laundering. When you reach the presidency you have thousands of people who helped you along the way in 50 states. And there are bad apples along the way. I would not draw that nexus here. We are talking about this is the first person in the United States congress to endorse donald trump. We are talking about Trumps Campaign chairman paul manafort. His Deputy Campaign manager rick gates, his National Security adviser michael flynn. It is a reflection of the question donald trump says he will surround himself by the best people. Why are all of his people ending up indicted or in jail . The top people in his administration are under investigation or being indicted or are in jail and other people have left the administration in a cloud of scandal. Why is this happening to someone who said he would drain the swamp . You cant say clinton did it. Even if it is true, this is a guy held to a higher standard. Paul manafort was bob doles campaign manager. He goes back to then. We are dealing with Tax Evasion Charges from ten years ago. So i mean, come on, that is a stretch. As far as the collins thing goes, the republicans are already fighting to hold on to the house. This is going to be a seat that would have been easily won by Chris Collins. Now all of a sudden it goes in play. It is in place and it is unfortunate because the democrats have a weak candidate. So i think in the next five weeks this will play out. I think for now Chris Collins doesnt have to do anything but sit back and Start Talking to the right people including his lawyers. Thank you all very much. The first people that he is going to talk to we believe is us, the American People and his constituency because he will be taking that podium live. It is interesting that could
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