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CNNW Fareed Zakaria GPS October 4, 2015

On the iran deal. Check your enthusiasm at the door. What options are left for its biggest opponent . Trying to encircle the noose of death. On peace in the middle east. Theres only one way to get a Peace Process beginning. Youve got to sit down and negotiate. Also, former u. S. President bill clinton and the man who has been called the bill clinton of italy. That nations Prime Minister. Finally, youve seen the pizza pulling ramp. I will introduce you to rat who is far more impressive. First, here is my take. Vladmir putin has been able to act forcefully in syria not because hes bolder or more decisive than barack obama but because he has a clearer strategy. He supports his ally and fights those enemies. Buy comparison washington and the west is confused. Who is america for in this struggle. We know whom its against. Also all the other jihadi groups fighting in syria, the al qaeda affilia affiliate. Its also opposed to the hezbollah forces. Russias move is not as brilliant as its being made out. Its a desperate effort to sure up one of the kremlins only foreign allies and risks making russia the great satan. At least putin has a coherent plan. The United States by contrast is closely allied with the Iraqi Government but finds itself on the same side as the militant sunnis in syria. The syrian kurds close to turkey, moderate forces and a small number of moderate syrians. If you consider the major groups vying for control of damascus, the United States is against almost all of them which makes for clarity but strategic incoherence. The American Army could easily defeat isis. Heres the fundamental problem. Then it would own realize in syria. Who wants to govern that territory, protect the population and be seen by locals as legitimate . We watched you try to run iraqi towns and we will not make americas mistake. If one looks back over the Many American interventions around the globe, one factor looms large. When washington allied with a local force that was capable and viewed as legitimate, it succeeded. Without such locals all the outside effort, aid, fire power and training can only do so much whether in afghanistan, iraq or syria. If obamas goal is a peaceful multisectarian democracy then it requires a vast american commitment on the scale of iraq. If not, washington has to accept reality and make some tough choices. The two big ones are whether to stop opposing assad and whether to accept syria has to be partitioned. Lets be honest, if assad falls and jihadis take damascus, that would be worse than if assad stays in power in damascus. That doesnt mean requiring support but requiring him to create an enclave in syria of the kind thats already forming. Even if the civil war ends and a country called syria remains, these groups will not live intermingled together again. The west has combined max mallist efforts with minimalist efforts. Its the yawning gap between those two thats making putin look smart. For more go to cnn. Com fareed and read my post this week. Lets get started. Israels Prime Minister was in new york this week to deliver a fiery speech on thursday to the u. N. General assembly. On friday i sat down with him to talk about many topics all hot buttons of the u. N. This week, syria, isis, the Iran Nuclear Deal and the future of middle east peace. Pleasure to have you on. Good to be back. You have painted situation that israel faces that is pretty tough. Im now looking at whats going on in syria. I see iran all in to try to defend the assad regime. I see hezbollah strained, str s stressed reports they have lost hundreds of fighters. Arent your enemies drained and bleeding right now . Doesnt that give you some space in security terms . Well, thats not exactly what we see. What i see is iran pushing into lebanon, into hezbollah as theyre fighting for assad. Theyre putting inside lebanon the most devastating weapons on earth. Theyre trying to turn irans rockets that they supplied hezbollah into precision guided missiles that can hit any spot in israel. Hezbollah is putting in anticraft missiles that can shoot down our planes. We see a different picture. I made it very clear what our policy in syria is. I havent intervened in the syrian internal conflict, but ive said if anybody wants to use syrian territory to attack us, well take action. If anybody is trying to build a second front against israel, well take action. If anybody wants to use syrian territory to transfer lethal weapons to hezbollah, well take action. We continue to do that. Donald trump says between assad and isis, he thinks assad better. Is assad better for israel . I dont know whos better. Youve got assad, iran, hezbollah, isis, these rebels and those rebels. Now you have russia. I dont know whats better. I draw red lines and any time we have the intel we just keep them. We do not let those actions of aggression against israel go unpunished. Do you think that russias involvement is potentially stabilizing or destabilizing . I dont know. I think time will tell. I did go to moscow and spoke very candidly to president putin and just told him exactly what i just told you. I said these are our policies. We dont want to go back to the days when russia and israel were in an adversarial position. I think weve changed the relationship. Its not like the one we have with the United States. Nothing will ever equal that. We certainly dont want an adversarial relationship. We agreed in a few days time our deputies chiefs of staff will meet to arrange decdeconflictio. In syria ive defined my goals. Theyre to protect the security and my people. Russia has different goals, but they shouldnt clash. You have often spoken out against aggression, particularly against small countries. One place you have been studiously quiet is russias, what many people call aggression against crimia. When asked you said i have a lot of my plate. What is your view . We went along with the provisions this the American Government put forward. I think its very clear we dont approve of this russian action. I think were also cognizant of the fact we have the, woere bordering russia now. Israel is strong country. Its a small, strong country, but we also know that we have to make sure we dont get into unnecessary conflicts. We have a lot on our plate. I went to moscow to make it clear that we should avoid a clash between Russian Forces and isra israeli forces. Thats about as responsible and statesmanly as we should act at this point. Whats your view of putin . Theres mutual respect. It doesnt mean that we have mutual coherence of interest. Its not the relationship we have with the United States of america. It never can be. 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After your 10 and your 15, all these limitations are lifted. Therefore iran will be free to get to the point where its at the threshold level. The nuclear, indespiensible to make an arsenal. I dont want to rehash this. I was very clear about that. I said, okay, now that its done, lets look forward. Lets keep your feet to the fire. Lets make sure they keep all their obligations under the nuclear deal. Thats the first thing. Second thing lets block irans other aggression. Theyre trying to encircle ids real with a noose of death. They are sending weapons in iraq, afghanistan, theyre all over the place and yemen. Lets bolster those forces to and stand up to irans aggression and none is stronger, none is more reliable than israel. I look forward to discussing president obamas offer to bolster Israel Security when i visit the United States in november. The third i think i said, lets tear down irans global terror network. Theyre over 30 countries establishing terror cells in the western hemisphere. We have no disagreement about blocking irans aggression and working against terrorism. I think thats what we should focus on. Last week bill clinton said he thought your speech to the United States congress at the invitation of john boehner was unprecedented. I asked him was it unwise. He said youll have to ask Prime Minister netanyahu. Was it unwise . Ill ask you a question. If the president of the United States thought a deal wads being forged that would endanger the security of the United States, wouldnt you expect him to speak up after every place, at every forum. The answer is of course you would. That was my obligation. I dont think we should rehash this but i think we should focus on what we do agree must be done now. President obama was calling me up at the time that the deal wads being debated. He said id like to talk do you about bolsters israels security about maintaining the qualitative military edge and preventing things from going into irans boxes. Would you like to do that now or would you like to do it later. I said id like to do it later, a day after. Today in my conversation with john kerry this is the day after. We we began that conversation. Our minister of defense will be coming to washington to meet secretary carter in a few weeks. After that ill meet president obama. I look forward to discussing this with the president. I think its a very important stage to help us face the challenges that we face. If two years from now, i ran has destroyed 98 of uranium and iraq facilities have been rendered inoperable, will you call president obama and say maybe this worked a little better than i thought it did . Ill be the happiest person in the world if my concerns prove to be wrong. The opposite can also happen. I think the issue right now is its a practical question right now. Its not an ideology question. What happens when they are absolved of any restrictions which is the main point ive been making. They get all these restrictions lifted regardless of their policy. You get 15 years with a nonnuclear assuming they dont cheat. Youre also assuming they would have gone and continued in face of very strong sanctions and a military threat. We can argue that but thats not my purpose now. My purpose is focus on what we do agree on. We absolutely agree on the need to block irans aggression in the region. That was never part of the deal that you let them have free reign. The second thing is how to bolster israels security. Other allies that are facing the same iranian threat. I also draw attention to their global terror network. These are things we can concentrate on and we agree on and we should cooperate on and we will cooperate on. 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His son, theres a couple of reports that talked about New York Times report where he gave an interview and he said im not for my fathers plan. I think the Peace Process is dead. I done want a twostate solution. I want a onestate solution. I just want rights. I just want political rights. If youre not going to give me state, give me political rights. They want just political rights. Will they get them . Well, i think that the right solution is a demilitarized palestinian state. We have a jewish state. We should have mutual recognition of these twonation states and provisions on the ground by which israel can defend itself by itself. I think thats preferable to the idea of a unitary state which i dont want. I think the reason the Peace Process doesnt move forward is because the palestinians have two provisions there. One is youve got to renounce terrorism and act against it. Unfortunately thats not what theyre doing. We had a young mother and young father brutally murdered. The president is yet to denounce this. The rare occasions that we have and we do have on certain occasions acts of terrorism by jews, we all go there like gang busters. We condemn it. We do everything we can to find them, and fight them. I expect him to do the same. Youve got to come and sit on the table. Why not use this opportunity to make a bold counter offer not just a process one but an actual proposal for a palestinian state . Ive made several offers. His offer and my offer obviously dont cohere. He said the problem is youre building settlements i think is problem is hes inciting terrorism. Hes spreading lies. I have complaints. He has complaints. Theres only one way to get Peace Process going. Youve got to sit down and negotiate. In the seven years that ive been sitting in the Prime Ministers office in israel, we havent had seven hours hes willing to talk. Its not because of me. Im willing to have this conversation. Hes not. He said youre creating facts on the ground. So is he. Last question. You talked about terrorism against palestinians, terrorism by israels. The president of israel says wonders, he posed this question, why is this cultural of extre extremism flourishing in israel now . Do you think theres an atmosphere thats allowed this to flourish . No. The what does the mainstream do about it . In our case we go wild against them. Every part of our Society United against any example of terrorism in our mix. What i see is the president calls public squares in honor of mass murders. Its tragedy, i think, for us and the palestinians too. The culture

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