American business. Jeff sacks versus steven moore. Finally you cant see the forest for the trees in carolina cities due to the pollution, but a vertical forest might change all that. But first, hears my take. By now its subtle wisdom that were witnessing the rise of radical forces on left and right around the globe. Pop lists of both violates are energized theyre certain the future is going their way. But the center is rising again even in the heart of the old world. Consider who is currently the poles hate that the far right candidate is leading the field in the first round with about 25 of the vote. But in the second round which fits only the two front runners against each other, he is projected to pete her handedly. Keep in mind that be is he emphatically until favor of free markets, globalization, the trance Atlantic Alliance and yet is he surging in a country often dee find by its strong labor unions and distrust of america. Why . Because he is above all an outsider, a reformer and a carries matic politician and these qualities appear to be far more important than an eyedy logical checklist. They have set into the economics and politics of the west theyre frustrated with business as usual and they see the established order as corrupt, paralyzed and out of touch. His campaign is working because it is defined by a sense of energy. His new party is called on the move. His campaign sbook titled revolution. Mckroi is in some sense the handsome brother. Both fill a vacuum created by the collapse of the major parties. All over europe the main Political Parties represent old cleavages between the church and secularism, capital and labor. Mckrois movement is new. He represents startups, the young, tolerance, flexibility and above all, hope. We are living through a sea change in politics and watching an outbreak of poplism. But this doesnt mean there are no other forces and sentiments at work. The world is increasingly connected were diverse, tolerant and hundreds of millions of people in the west, especially young people celebrate that reality. He champions these ideals even as he appeals to others who are more nervous about the changing world. Hes not an isolated phenom nan. The political order is messy right now. It will eventually sort itself around the new cleavage. People comfortable with globalization and those opposed to it. But for those of us at the center who do see globalization as unbalanced of positive force, we will need to understand the importance of the cultural dislocation caused by largescale immigration of recent decades. The center can win. Europe is not heading down a path of right been wing nationallation that abandons the union, are the Atlantic Alliance and western values. But much depends on the United States, the country that created the strategic and ideological situation of the west. They observed that despite some reassure words from senior american officials, many of us are convinced that the white house is trying to elect lepen in france and defeat merkel in germany. And there is heavy talk by Steven Bannon about weak evening the European Union and destroying the established order. If america encourages the destruction of core western institutions and ideals, then the west might well unravel. But this would not be one of those stories of civil zation of decline in the face of external threats. It would be a selfinflicted wound and one that might prove to be fatal. For more, go to cnn. Com fareed and read my column this week. Lets get started. Today its my privilege on behalf of the President Trump to express the strong commitment of the United States to continued cooperation and partnership with the European Union. That was Vice President pence in brussels earlier this week. But cnn has learned that Steven Bannon is sing a very different song. Sources say bannon pointed out the flaws to the german ambassador a week earlier and said the United States wanted to strengthen ties with individual nations in europe rather than the eu as a block. So, who is speaking for the administration and which administration are we going to get on any particular day . I have a terrific panel today to discuss this, New York Times columnist tom friedman who is the author of the recent best seller, thank you for being late. We have a columnist and member of the Editorial Board of the guardian. David frum is a Senior Editor of foreign affairs. You had a terrific column this week. Do you want to just quickly outline for us what are the five Trump Administrations that you feel like youre encountering . Well, you have trump entertainment thats the president with his tweets and press conferences. Keeping us all entertained as it were. And some of us im afraid in the media are getting addicted to it not to mention the public. Then have you trump cleanup, thats the secretary of state, secretary of defense, u. N. Ambassador who goes around the world cleaning up trumps mess. And hes contra tics. Then you have, of course, the trump gop, thats all the gop leaders who have kind of hitched a ride on the good ship lollypop that is his administration as long as they can get their tax cuts and other priorities like promoting fossil fuels. Then have you trump crazy, thats bannon and his merry band of ideal logs like steve miller. And lastly you have the essential trump. And that is basically the trump who dared to boast that he could shoot someone in the middle of fifth avenue in new york and his followers are so stupidly loyal they would stick with him. That say person who really has no interest in being president of all the people, he has an interest in being president of the u. S. trump fan club. When you listen to this in europe, what have you what have all of you made of Donald Trumps first few weeks in office . Well, its been its been an absolute earth shake for for europeans, the first month of the Trump Administration. There have been so many conflicting messages, even when Vice President pence and secretary mattis went to the munich conference, comments after their speeches were rather hesitant, did they really reassure european states about alliance commitments. I think i think only half of the job was done. There are many, many questions that are still raised. A lot of europeans european governments look at the Trump White House and think this is a rogue president. They are dealing with something completely that they had never predicted and that they dont quite know how to address. Gidian rose, when you look at that time, though, its fair to point out that he has reversed himself on lots of these issues, he has now essentially continued obama Foreign Policy in many of these areas, and trump cleanup is pretty impressive by which i mean, you know, the secretary of state, secretary of defense, now National Security adviser. Isnt it worth giving him some credit for the fact that, you know, many administrations have shaky starts and the team, the Foreign Policy team is a very serious one . This is actually i think toms framework is very good and i agree with what you just said. But if you drill down a little bit into that trump cleanup when it essentially is is adult professionals everywhere else in washington and in the administration versus the white house. And so the dilemma is several of those Trump Administrations that tom was talking about are centered in the white house and what you have is professionals everywhere else. Mattis at defense, tillerson who isnt a professional because hes a ceo. Try pence sometimes walking back the crazy and trying to say, no, this is what were doing, its actually consistent with the main lines of american Foreign Policy over the last several decades. The problem is, the people in the white house, particularly trump himself and bannon, the senior adviser, dont actually seem to buy that. So we dont know whats going to happen when the europeans ask pence, should we believe you or should we believe the president , that is the central question and we dont yet know whose answer will reign supreme. David, you worked in the white house and isnt it fair to say at the end of the day its a court . Everybody else may have opinions, but only the king makes decisions . Yes. The president sets the policy and although donald trump, as you said, theres been a slower start, we should be wary. They are cooperating with the russians in achieving what was once the goal of the soviet union and russias goal, their paramount goal to cut the tie between the United States and germany. The basis of post 1945 security. The irony is on the issue that you think donald trump would care most about in europe, which is having a more Effective Response to these mass migration flows from the middle east to north africa, that is exactly where only a coherent European Response can work, some kind of European Navy in the mediterranean that is able to have a law to return people to the places they came from. What they have forgotten or dont know is that the united europe from the start was an american project more than it was a european project and those reasons have not passed. Were going to keep going. Up next after the break we will dig deeper into the new National Security adviser h. R. Mcmaster. I will ask the panel what they think of him and his future. Eyes open . Good. Because its here. 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Gideon, h. R. Mcmaster considered by some of the arms smartest officer owrote a very important book about vietnam. What should we know about his intellectual work and what does it tell us about what kind of National Security adviser hell be . This was a fascinating question. I dont know anybody in the field who isnt very happy about this appointment because h. R. Mcmaster is not just considered one of the armys premier and the militarys premier intellectuals but hes also considered a superb professional and somebody whose defining characteristics have been a willingness to tell the people above him what they should do to do the job properly. And he first came on with a dissertation which became a book which criticized the vee at nam era for not doing that with regard to the Johnson Administration and letting us get bogged down in vietnam. One can dispute whether thats correct but theres no question he was telling the military grass you need to stand up for principle and substance and not let your political master screw things up. If he does that in the Trump Administration it would, i a fullscale shift of the administration. So whether hes going to back down from what we expect him do or whether theyre going to back down from what theyve been doing we dont know. Let me ask you on that be specifically. So the two things i notice about mcmaster hes very tough on rush. Hes been very hawkish, but perhaps even more importantly, he came to fame in iraq as an army officer who really believed that it was important to ally with locals, to go into the communities, not to rely on proxsies, not to just bomb from afar, to really engage in this comprehensive counterinsurgence issue. It seems to me on both issues, russia and isis in that sense, hes very different from trumps instincts. Whats going to happen . Part of the bizarre nature of this establishment is that its like a pickup Basketball Team and its sort of whoever showed up on the sand lot or in the parking lot. So you went from fwloin was viscerally anti muslim, i would say, and not to mention antiiran to someone like mcmaster who believes in close collaboration with communities on the ground and that the most important words in National Security are self and sustaining. That is, we can takeover any country in the world, but if we want our gains to be selfsustaining, you have to be partnering with and amp fying forces on the ground. I think mcmaster also understands some of the traditional pillars of american National Security. And why as you and gid yop alluded to earlier, the European Union has been our wing man in the world. It has been the other great center of democratic capitalism. Not only has it stabilized europe so we dont have to intervene there and referee its fights, but more importantly, when you go into the world, just a small example, who do you think pays for a lot of the Palestinian Authority in the west Bank Administration in its actually the European Union. Do we want to pick up that tab . I certainly can tell you the israelis dont want to pick up that tab. You will see european aid programs all across africa. Is belgium going to do that alone . These are real pillars that amplify our power. I think mcmasters nrszs that very well, i dont think bannon has a clue. When what is this going to look like when you deal with syria im guessing mcmaster is going to say you can beat up on ice is you but you cant just abandon it youll create a power vacuum youll need some local stabilization, we need to get in there and deal with it. Thats not a message donald trump wants to hear. I think hes the kind of bomb and go man. For the next three months at least the most important policy palmpilot is going to be happening not only inside this country but inside the city im speaking to you from, washington. Because the president is locked in this struggle with National Security bureaucracy. Which knows a lot or suggests it does that would be embarrassing to him about his ties with russia and some of the people around him, and theres a race. Can donald trump silence those professionals or will they continue to bring forward the information that weve been hearing more and more that is very damaging to him . And what will his National Security council, what will their role be in all of this . I think a lot of it will turn on who wins that battle because its hard to imagine we can have both the Trump Presidency and weve known it and independent and honest Security Services as weve known them. Natalie, what does this mean for European Countries . Are they beginning to think about independent defense and Foreign Policy . I european friend of mine said the the worst thing he thoit was going to happen here was an insecure poland was going to go to countries like germany and say you can give us some kind of guarantees and then the germans might start thinking about it which will get the french to worry about germany freelancing and you will have renational liesed European Security policy with ind