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Ehud olmert said it is proof that israel today does not want peace with the palestinians. Then a new series on gps best practices on beating covid19. This one from an unusual location, the original epicenter, wuhan, china. Finally, Malcolm Gladwell on race, racism and policing in america. First, heres my take. John boltons book tells us very little that we didnt already know about Donald Trumps Foreign Policy. He paints a picture of a president who is ignorant, unaware, for example, that britain is a Nuclear Power and that finland is not part of russia. Trump had few fixed Foreign Policy views. At times hes been inclined to invade venezuela and other times not spd at all. Bolton does say the real problem with donald trump is not his ignorance or his policies but his character. President trump has, for the most part, settled into conventional republican policies. He has cut taxes for the rich, rolled back regulations, appointed conservative judges and lavished money on the defense department. He departs from the reagan formula in two major areas immigration and trade. And on these issues, he has changed much of the republican party, which is now comfortable with tariffs and subsidies and recantalism as well as severe restrictions on immigration. I dont agree with many of these policies, but what has always worried me much more is trumps character. Hes clearly a man for whom his own personal and political interests are paramount and override any other concerns of decency, of morality, even of law. Bolton is not the first stop to dissent. They have all made clear their low opinion of trump but hes the first to provide details and the details are damning. The book says trump promised to remove federal prosecutors who were going after a turkish bank because president erdogan asked him to intervene. Trump insisted the Ukrainian Government hand over incriminating information about clinton and joe biden before he was released congressionally approved aid to that country. Bolton and he and the secretaries of state and defense tried eight to ten times to press trump to release those funds, but trump refused. Now, ukraine might be the most Impeachable Offense but trumps dealing with china are the most troubling. U. S. Policy toward china is the most important business any president will conduct. It will set the stage for peace or war, the preservation of american interests and the security of america and its allies for decades to come. And donald trump treated this relationship almost entirely as one to be used, manipulated and altered to serve his personal interests, specifically to boost his reelection prospects. Bolton describes trumps willingness to reverse prosecution and even criminal penalties against chinese firms as personal favors to president xi jinping. He casually reduced tariffs on chinese goods in return be for a deal that would make him look good in november, pressing xi to have china xi buy Agricultural Products so he would poll well in midwestern states. Bolton describes trump as pleading with xi to ensure hed win reelection. Most strikingly, the chinese understood with whom they were dealing and openly played to trumps personal political ambitions. Xi expressed he would like trump to remain in office for the next six years. Trump responded that people were saying his favorite way of expressing his own views, that the twoterm limit on u. S. President s should be waived for him. Boltons conclusion regarding the deal with china and trumps Foreign Policy more generally is breathtaking. He writes, quote, trump commingled the personal and the national not just on trade questions but across the whole field of National Security. I am hard pressed to identify any significant trump decision during my white house tenure that wasnt driven by reelection calculations, unquote. For those who have been willing to support donald trump because of particular policies theyve always wanted, Supreme Court judges or tax cuts, boltons book makes clear the cost is high. Donald trump will pay any price, make any deal, bend any law, to assure his own survival and success. Go to cnn. Com fareed for a link to my Washington Post column. And lets get started. In his book, john bolton backs up testimony from the house impeachment hearings that President Trump withheld hundreds of millions of dollars of Security Assistance from ukraine to try to get kiev to investigate joe biden and the 2016 election. My next guest, petro poroshenko, was president of ukraine from 2014 to 2019. In that time, he worked with both the obama and trump administrations. President poroshenko, it is a pleasure to have you join us. Thank you very much, indeed, fareed, for this opportunity. President poroshenko, in reading boltons book, or the parts dealing with ukraine, one learns again something one has known. This came out in the impeachment hearings. President trump believes that ukraine or some elements within ukraine dont like him. And he feels that very strongly. In fact, he says it in words that i cannot repeat on television. He feels very strongly that the ukrainians were trying to mess with him, lets say. What do you think gave him this view . It seems as though he feels it starts with the leaks of certain documents that ended up getting paul manafort, the chairman of his campaign, indicted and things like that. What was going on in ukraine . You were president. That led trump to believe ukraine was against him . First of all, i want to use this opportunity to thank the United States of america because me as a president enjoy extremely important and powerful bipartisan support from the United States, both from democrats and from republicans. Believe me, ukraine now in the world, one of the most proamerican nations in the world, no matter it is republican or democrats, we are definitely very much appreciate for, frankly speaking, for giving us such important support to protect our to protect our authoritarian integrity, to protect our independence. Ukraine now is in a war. This is a russian scenario just to break unity between ukraine and u. S. And definitely this is not in the interest of ukraine and definitely this is not in the interest of the United States. To be clear, president poroshenko, you are saying that the leaks that came out that made the Trump Campaign or donald trump think that ukraine or ukrainians were against him were russian leaks or this was a russian intelligence operation designed to sow discord between ukraine and the United States . First of all, fareed, i want to say that i was the witness, starting from my first appearance in the United States congress and the 18th of september, 2014, when i enjoyed as a representative for the multimillion ukrainian people a strong and enormous support in the United States congress, which was bipartisan. I think that Ukraine United United States. Ukrainian matter mattered most republican and democrats in their strong support for freedom, democracy and rule of law, and the basic values of democratic societies. And im not exclude, but definitely this is in russian interest to launch a scenario that ukraine are getting strong or ukraine against obama, ukraine is for ukraine. Ukrainian is for the United States. And definitely this is not in the russian interest. You spoke with Vice President biden many, many times over the course of the period when you were president , he was Vice President. He pressed you on many issues. Did he ever bring up the topic of the company that employed his son as one of his as one of its board of directors . So, my excellently clearance, no, never. But i also cannot accept that neither president obama, Vice President biden, no President Trump, no Vice President pence, never pressed me. Let me ask you about what is going on in ukraine right now. You have actually just lost your father, but you are also in the middle of a struggle in which you are being investigated for corruption charges. Can you explain it to us . Fareed, this is completely not true. That i am investigation for anything like that. First of all, thank you for talk to me with the loss of my father. But the investigating of that is my action as a president of ukraine for protecting ukrainian independence. I want to thanks a lot the our foreign partners, including United States, including united kingdom, including germany, including canada and many, many other countries who have strong wording to the ukrainian authorities to stop political motivated prosecution. This is exactly we are fighting against all five years of my presidency. This is exactly against democracy. This is exactly against rule of law. This is exactly trying to use the state machine against the political opponent. President poroshenko, pleasure to have you on, sir. Thank you, fareed. Thank you. Next on gps, Benjamin Netanyahus made it clear he intends to have israel annex parts of the west bank. Will that stop him . We will get the latest from israel from a former Prime Minister. Hold on one second. Sure. Okay. Okay safe drivers save 40 guys guys check it out. Safe drivers save 40 safe drivers save 40 safe drivers save 40 thats safe drivers save 40 . It is, thats safe drivers save 40 . Hes right there. Its him hes here. Hes right here. Hi hi. Hey thats totally him. Its him thats totally the guy. Safe drivers do save 40 . Click or call for a quote today. A lot goes through your mind. With fidelity wealth management, your dedicated adviser can give you straightforward advice and tailored recommendations. Thats the clarity you get with fidelity wealth management. However, there is one thing you can be certain of. The men and women of the United States postal service. Were here to deliver cards and packages from loved ones and also deliver the peace of mind of knowing that essentials like prescriptions are on their way. Every day, all across america, we deliver for you. And we always will. Suffering the loss of a loved one, suffering economic hardship. The country is crying out for leadership, leadership that can unite us, leadership that brings us together. Thats what the presidency is the duty to care, to care for all of us, not just those who vote for us, but all of us. I promise you this i wont traffic in fear and division. I wont fan the flames of hate. Ill seek to heal the racial wounds that have long plagued our country, not use them for political gain. Ill do my job and i will take responsibility, i wont blame others. You know, ive said from the outset of this election, that were in the battle for the soul of this nation. What we believe and maybe most importantly, who we want to be, its all at stake. When we stand together, finally as one america, well rise stronger than we were before. Im joe biden and i approve this message. Fireworks, separation, or any other anxieties, announcer if your dog suffers from fear of thunder, im joe biden thundershirt may be the answer. Thundershirt, absolutely, 100 works. Israel may be about to do something that could permanently alter the prospects for peace in the middle east. Prime minister netanyahu campaigned on a plan to annex portions of the west bank, which is recognized as palestinian territory. And the u. S. Peace plan has emboldened netanyahu to fulfill this campaign process. Just days from now israel may start taking the land. Jordan has warned of a massive conflict if they proceed and they consider the move illegal. Does netanyahu care . Joining me now is the former Prime Minister of israel, ehud olmert. Welcome, Prime Minister olmert. Let me ask you, as a former Prime Minister, as bebes immediate predecessor, is there a National Security justification which is the one the Prime Minister is providing for this move . Well, quite frankly, i dont recognize such a security problem for israel. Historically jordan was a very sensitive, but this was in 1967 when there was a very strong Jordanian Army just across the river. And much further to the east was a very powerful iraqi army. Today jordan is an ally of the state of israel and there is no iraqi army and there is not any essential sensitive or immediate security problem for the state of israel on the east side. There is no Eastern Front anymore. Therefore, there is not really any serious need for any certainly not for any steps regarding the jordan valley. What about the politics of this . You negotiated with the palestinians. You know how complicated and difficult that is. What would a move like this do to the prospects of for israels political future and, obviously, the prospects of the palestinians . Number one, fareed, i must say that to the best of my knowledge, and i think im quite familiar with the israeli scene, i dont know if any serious security expert in the state of israel, any former general or senior person in the security establishment of israel that thinks that there is a need, certainly not this time, to take unilateral steps and annex the territory. So, there is a very serious and deep controversy in the state of israel between i think the majority of israelis who do not understand why in the middle of the battle against coronavirus we need to start a new battle against the palestinians, which is entirely unnecessary. I think it will create a serious controversy, but also im seriously concerned that if will be unilateral step to annex any part of the territories, this will ruin the chances for any further direct negotiations between israel and the palestinian authority. Now im familiar with the and, you know, there might be different opinions about parts of these, but this is the plan that was presented by President Trump to both sides. And it is based on two major principles. One is the creation of a palestinian state. Another is that there will be changes in the territorial vision as a result of negotiations. But there ought to be negotiations and both sides must accept the two principles. The creation of a palestinian state and that there might be some territorial changes. I havent heard yet that there is any attempt to establish a process of negotiations. And i think that it is incumbent upon the Prime Minister of israel. And im talking from my side, im the israeli side. I care for israel. I scare for the security of israel. I care for the future of is rale. And i care for peace between israel and the palestinians. So, its incumbent on us to say that we accept both principles of the trump plan, which is the creation of a palestinian state and the territorial adjustments, which are part of it. I havent yet heard it from netanyahu and, therefore, there is a certain feeling of discomfort, to put it mildly, that somehow the attempt to annex the parts of the territories on a unilateral basis is an effort to bypass the need for direct negotiations between us and the palestinians. Something which i think will shudder the foundation of stability in the middle east, and im very much concerned about it. Why do you think Bebe Netanyahu is doing this now . Does this have something to do with his relationship with trump, with the november elections . What are your thoughts . I think, quite frankly, that if he does this, what it reflects in my mind is growing concern on the side of netanyahu that trump will not be reelected. Everyone says that this is an opportunity for us because trump supports israel, but if netanyahu is confident that trump will be reelected, why hurry up now . Why not wait until after the elections and then while trump is president and being reelected, he can coordinate it with the americans. The feeling that he hurries up is because he may not be confident that trump will be reelected. I think that this is, unfortunately, you know, in 2012, the israeli Prime Minister was very much involved in what appeared to be an attempt to support the then republican candidate against president obama. I dont think israel should be part of the election process in the United States. The support for israel is bipartisan. It should stay so. And we should not intervene. Certainly not in any way to help the president in his reelection or to help joe biden, who is a great friend of israel and a great support of israel in his bid for the presidency. We should stay out and we should leave the middle east outside of the political scene of the United States of america. And i think if we will take unilateral measures at this point, it might be devastating. I think it will ruin the state status of israel in many places across the world, in europe as well as in many parts of america. And, of course, in other parts of the world. But also it can destabilize the entire region. I am not certain that i know what might be the reaction of jordan. I know King Abdullah ii, hes a great patriot of jordan. Hes a great supporter of solution of two state and a great friend of the state of israel. Why should we want to compromise his position at this point . I dont know. I dont understand. And i havent heard yet from the Prime Minister of israel any expression of or any explanations that can clarify this. Thats wise words, Prime Minister. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you so much, fareed. Next on gps, Malcolm Gladwell<\/a> on race, racism and policing in america. First, heres my take. John boltons book tells us very little that we didnt already know about Donald Trumps<\/a> Foreign Policy<\/a>. He paints a picture of a president who is ignorant, unaware, for example, that britain is a Nuclear Power<\/a> and that finland is not part of russia. Trump had few fixed Foreign Policy<\/a> views. At times hes been inclined to invade venezuela and other times not spd at all. Bolton does say the real problem with donald trump is not his ignorance or his policies but his character. President trump has, for the most part, settled into conventional republican policies. He has cut taxes for the rich, rolled back regulations, appointed conservative judges and lavished money on the defense department. He departs from the reagan formula in two major areas immigration and trade. And on these issues, he has changed much of the republican party, which is now comfortable with tariffs and subsidies and recantalism as well as severe restrictions on immigration. I dont agree with many of these policies, but what has always worried me much more is trumps character. Hes clearly a man for whom his own personal and political interests are paramount and override any other concerns of decency, of morality, even of law. Bolton is not the first stop to dissent. They have all made clear their low opinion of trump but hes the first to provide details and the details are damning. The book says trump promised to remove federal prosecutors who were going after a turkish bank because president erdogan asked him to intervene. Trump insisted the Ukrainian Government<\/a> hand over incriminating information about clinton and joe biden before he was released congressionally approved aid to that country. Bolton and he and the secretaries of state and defense tried eight to ten times to press trump to release those funds, but trump refused. Now, ukraine might be the most Impeachable Offense<\/a> but trumps dealing with china are the most troubling. U. S. Policy toward china is the most important business any president will conduct. It will set the stage for peace or war, the preservation of american interests and the security of america and its allies for decades to come. And donald trump treated this relationship almost entirely as one to be used, manipulated and altered to serve his personal interests, specifically to boost his reelection prospects. Bolton describes trumps willingness to reverse prosecution and even criminal penalties against chinese firms as personal favors to president xi jinping. He casually reduced tariffs on chinese goods in return be for a deal that would make him look good in november, pressing xi to have china xi buy Agricultural Products<\/a> so he would poll well in midwestern states. Bolton describes trump as pleading with xi to ensure hed win reelection. Most strikingly, the chinese understood with whom they were dealing and openly played to trumps personal political ambitions. Xi expressed he would like trump to remain in office for the next six years. Trump responded that people were saying his favorite way of expressing his own views, that the twoterm limit on u. S. President s should be waived for him. Boltons conclusion regarding the deal with china and trumps Foreign Policy<\/a> more generally is breathtaking. He writes, quote, trump commingled the personal and the national not just on trade questions but across the whole field of National Security<\/a>. I am hard pressed to identify any significant trump decision during my white house tenure that wasnt driven by reelection calculations, unquote. For those who have been willing to support donald trump because of particular policies theyve always wanted, Supreme Court<\/a> judges or tax cuts, boltons book makes clear the cost is high. Donald trump will pay any price, make any deal, bend any law, to assure his own survival and success. Go to cnn. Com fareed for a link to my Washington Post<\/a> column. And lets get started. In his book, john bolton backs up testimony from the house impeachment hearings that President Trump<\/a> withheld hundreds of millions of dollars of Security Assistance<\/a> from ukraine to try to get kiev to investigate joe biden and the 2016 election. My next guest, petro poroshenko, was president of ukraine from 2014 to 2019. In that time, he worked with both the obama and trump administrations. President poroshenko, it is a pleasure to have you join us. Thank you very much, indeed, fareed, for this opportunity. President poroshenko, in reading boltons book, or the parts dealing with ukraine, one learns again something one has known. This came out in the impeachment hearings. President trump believes that ukraine or some elements within ukraine dont like him. And he feels that very strongly. In fact, he says it in words that i cannot repeat on television. He feels very strongly that the ukrainians were trying to mess with him, lets say. What do you think gave him this view . It seems as though he feels it starts with the leaks of certain documents that ended up getting paul manafort, the chairman of his campaign, indicted and things like that. What was going on in ukraine . You were president. That led trump to believe ukraine was against him . First of all, i want to use this opportunity to thank the United States<\/a> of america because me as a president enjoy extremely important and powerful bipartisan support from the United States<\/a>, both from democrats and from republicans. Believe me, ukraine now in the world, one of the most proamerican nations in the world, no matter it is republican or democrats, we are definitely very much appreciate for, frankly speaking, for giving us such important support to protect our to protect our authoritarian integrity, to protect our independence. Ukraine now is in a war. This is a russian scenario just to break unity between ukraine and u. S. And definitely this is not in the interest of ukraine and definitely this is not in the interest of the United States<\/a>. To be clear, president poroshenko, you are saying that the leaks that came out that made the Trump Campaign<\/a> or donald trump think that ukraine or ukrainians were against him were russian leaks or this was a russian intelligence operation designed to sow discord between ukraine and the United States<\/a> . First of all, fareed, i want to say that i was the witness, starting from my first appearance in the United States<\/a> congress and the 18th of september, 2014, when i enjoyed as a representative for the multimillion ukrainian people a strong and enormous support in the United States<\/a> congress, which was bipartisan. I think that Ukraine United<\/a> United States<\/a>. Ukrainian matter mattered most republican and democrats in their strong support for freedom, democracy and rule of law, and the basic values of democratic societies. And im not exclude, but definitely this is in russian interest to launch a scenario that ukraine are getting strong or ukraine against obama, ukraine is for ukraine. Ukrainian is for the United States<\/a>. And definitely this is not in the russian interest. You spoke with Vice President<\/a> biden many, many times over the course of the period when you were president , he was Vice President<\/a>. He pressed you on many issues. Did he ever bring up the topic of the company that employed his son as one of his as one of its board of directors . So, my excellently clearance, no, never. But i also cannot accept that neither president obama, Vice President<\/a> biden, no President Trump<\/a>, no Vice President<\/a> pence, never pressed me. Let me ask you about what is going on in ukraine right now. You have actually just lost your father, but you are also in the middle of a struggle in which you are being investigated for corruption charges. Can you explain it to us . Fareed, this is completely not true. That i am investigation for anything like that. First of all, thank you for talk to me with the loss of my father. But the investigating of that is my action as a president of ukraine for protecting ukrainian independence. I want to thanks a lot the our foreign partners, including United States<\/a>, including united kingdom, including germany, including canada and many, many other countries who have strong wording to the ukrainian authorities to stop political motivated prosecution. This is exactly we are fighting against all five years of my presidency. This is exactly against democracy. This is exactly against rule of law. This is exactly trying to use the state machine against the political opponent. President poroshenko, pleasure to have you on, sir. Thank you, fareed. Thank you. Next on gps, Benjamin Netanyahus<\/a> made it clear he intends to have israel annex parts of the west bank. Will that stop him . We will get the latest from israel from a former Prime Minister<\/a>. Hold on one second. Sure. Okay. Okay safe drivers save 40 guys guys check it out. Safe drivers save 40 safe drivers save 40 safe drivers save 40 thats safe drivers save 40 . It is, thats safe drivers save 40 . Hes right there. Its him hes here. Hes right here. Hi hi. Hey thats totally him. Its him thats totally the guy. Safe drivers do save 40 . Click or call for a quote today. A lot goes through your mind. With fidelity wealth management, your dedicated adviser can give you straightforward advice and tailored recommendations. Thats the clarity you get with fidelity wealth management. However, there is one thing you can be certain of. The men and women of the United States<\/a> postal service. Were here to deliver cards and packages from loved ones and also deliver the peace of mind of knowing that essentials like prescriptions are on their way. Every day, all across america, we deliver for you. And we always will. Suffering the loss of a loved one, suffering economic hardship. The country is crying out for leadership, leadership that can unite us, leadership that brings us together. Thats what the presidency is the duty to care, to care for all of us, not just those who vote for us, but all of us. I promise you this i wont traffic in fear and division. I wont fan the flames of hate. Ill seek to heal the racial wounds that have long plagued our country, not use them for political gain. Ill do my job and i will take responsibility, i wont blame others. You know, ive said from the outset of this election, that were in the battle for the soul of this nation. What we believe and maybe most importantly, who we want to be, its all at stake. When we stand together, finally as one america, well rise stronger than we were before. Im joe biden and i approve this message. Fireworks, separation, or any other anxieties, announcer if your dog suffers from fear of thunder, im joe biden thundershirt may be the answer. Thundershirt, absolutely, 100 works. Israel may be about to do something that could permanently alter the prospects for peace in the middle east. Prime minister netanyahu campaigned on a plan to annex portions of the west bank, which is recognized as palestinian territory. And the u. S. Peace plan has emboldened netanyahu to fulfill this campaign process. Just days from now israel may start taking the land. Jordan has warned of a massive conflict if they proceed and they consider the move illegal. Does netanyahu care . Joining me now is the former Prime Minister<\/a> of israel, ehud olmert. Welcome, Prime Minister<\/a> olmert. Let me ask you, as a former Prime Minister<\/a>, as bebes immediate predecessor, is there a National Security<\/a> justification which is the one the Prime Minister<\/a> is providing for this move . Well, quite frankly, i dont recognize such a security problem for israel. Historically jordan was a very sensitive, but this was in 1967 when there was a very strong Jordanian Army<\/a> just across the river. And much further to the east was a very powerful iraqi army. Today jordan is an ally of the state of israel and there is no iraqi army and there is not any essential sensitive or immediate security problem for the state of israel on the east side. There is no Eastern Front<\/a> anymore. Therefore, there is not really any serious need for any certainly not for any steps regarding the jordan valley. What about the politics of this . You negotiated with the palestinians. You know how complicated and difficult that is. What would a move like this do to the prospects of for israels political future and, obviously, the prospects of the palestinians . Number one, fareed, i must say that to the best of my knowledge, and i think im quite familiar with the israeli scene, i dont know if any serious security expert in the state of israel, any former general or senior person in the security establishment of israel that thinks that there is a need, certainly not this time, to take unilateral steps and annex the territory. So, there is a very serious and deep controversy in the state of israel between i think the majority of israelis who do not understand why in the middle of the battle against coronavirus we need to start a new battle against the palestinians, which is entirely unnecessary. I think it will create a serious controversy, but also im seriously concerned that if will be unilateral step to annex any part of the territories, this will ruin the chances for any further direct negotiations between israel and the palestinian authority. Now im familiar with the and, you know, there might be different opinions about parts of these, but this is the plan that was presented by President Trump<\/a> to both sides. And it is based on two major principles. One is the creation of a palestinian state. Another is that there will be changes in the territorial vision as a result of negotiations. But there ought to be negotiations and both sides must accept the two principles. The creation of a palestinian state and that there might be some territorial changes. I havent heard yet that there is any attempt to establish a process of negotiations. And i think that it is incumbent upon the Prime Minister<\/a> of israel. And im talking from my side, im the israeli side. I care for israel. I scare for the security of israel. I care for the future of is rale. And i care for peace between israel and the palestinians. So, its incumbent on us to say that we accept both principles of the trump plan, which is the creation of a palestinian state and the territorial adjustments, which are part of it. I havent yet heard it from netanyahu and, therefore, there is a certain feeling of discomfort, to put it mildly, that somehow the attempt to annex the parts of the territories on a unilateral basis is an effort to bypass the need for direct negotiations between us and the palestinians. Something which i think will shudder the foundation of stability in the middle east, and im very much concerned about it. Why do you think Bebe Netanyahu<\/a> is doing this now . Does this have something to do with his relationship with trump, with the november elections . What are your thoughts . I think, quite frankly, that if he does this, what it reflects in my mind is growing concern on the side of netanyahu that trump will not be reelected. Everyone says that this is an opportunity for us because trump supports israel, but if netanyahu is confident that trump will be reelected, why hurry up now . Why not wait until after the elections and then while trump is president and being reelected, he can coordinate it with the americans. The feeling that he hurries up is because he may not be confident that trump will be reelected. I think that this is, unfortunately, you know, in 2012, the israeli Prime Minister<\/a> was very much involved in what appeared to be an attempt to support the then republican candidate against president obama. I dont think israel should be part of the election process in the United States<\/a>. The support for israel is bipartisan. It should stay so. And we should not intervene. Certainly not in any way to help the president in his reelection or to help joe biden, who is a great friend of israel and a great support of israel in his bid for the presidency. We should stay out and we should leave the middle east outside of the political scene of the United States<\/a> of america. And i think if we will take unilateral measures at this point, it might be devastating. I think it will ruin the state status of israel in many places across the world, in europe as well as in many parts of america. And, of course, in other parts of the world. But also it can destabilize the entire region. I am not certain that i know what might be the reaction of jordan. I know King Abdullah<\/a> ii, hes a great patriot of jordan. Hes a great supporter of solution of two state and a great friend of the state of israel. Why should we want to compromise his position at this point . I dont know. I dont understand. And i havent heard yet from the Prime Minister<\/a> of israel any expression of or any explanations that can clarify this. Thats wise words, Prime Minister<\/a>. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you so much, fareed. 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We can see in the case of george floyd, this struck me as essentially premeditated murder but the diallo case is different. When you think about 41 thoshgts the reaction is, they dont seem to be trained very well because that seems like a lot of emotion and not a lot of training. What is going on in those moments . The one thing i did a podcast last season on Police Shooting<\/a> and i met with a forens forensic, one of the countrys leading analyst, and he said every case is different. I think thats important to keep in mind. The diallo case, youre right, is quite different from george floyd. There i think it was some jumbled combination of a racist impulse, the idea that a young black man is, by definition, dangerous and a potential criminal, in combination with some very questionable training. The you know, i detail in that chapter in my book blink all the things the officers did wrong. Principally they rushed the encounter. Whenever you have officers who are speeding up instead of slowing down, you magnify the possibility of some kind of fatal error. And i think a lot of if you look at a lot of these cases of Police Encounters<\/a> that go awry, the speed element is a big part of it. The case in atlanta, you know, there was that could have played out over half an hour. Instead, it played out over a matter of minutes. Theres just no reason for things to be accelerated when that makes the changes of making a mistake greater. So, let me take a page out of that book blink and say, couldnt Police Officers<\/a> say that theyre doing what you describe in blink, which is making a very quick, snap decision, informed by what they know about the circumstance, the neighborhood and things like that. How do you get them not to make a snap decision like that . Yeah. Well, the book blink was a book about both the good and the bad of snap decisions. And thats very clearly a case where we dont want Police Officers<\/a> making snap decisions. You know, in my last book talking to strangers which is around the story of sandra bland, another encounter between africanamerican and Police Officers<\/a> gone awry, theres a case where the police made a series of the Police Officer<\/a> in the case made a series of snap decisions about sandra bland, almost all of which were 100 incorrect. She was distressed and he read that as malice. He thought she was dangerous. She was upset. He couldnt tell the difference between fear and an attempt to harm or anxiety and an attempt to harm. That is the kind of thing you cannot tell in a handful of seconds. You need to slow down and have a conversation with someone before you draw a conclusion about exactly what emotional state theyre in. I think this issue of like i said, this issue of speed is huge. Its a structural issue that Police Officers<\/a> speed things up for, in many cases, for a reason. One of the reasons being that we give them too many responsibilities. Finally, let me ask you, malcolm, about another essay you wrote about. I read somewhere that you said, as many have, they were hopeful this time would be different because you a broader coalition, people seem genuinely not to be not willing to let this thing ago. You wrote a brilliant essay in the new yorker that its impod to have moral outrage but you need very systematic, disciplined movements that then translate that outrage into political achievement. You were referring to Martin Luther<\/a> king and groups like his and john lewis. We have the outrage now, but do we have the organization and the movement . Not yet. A although, whats interesting over the last 10 or 15 years, there has been the creation of an extraordinary body of research about what we can do to improve policing. I think were a lot smarter than we were even when i wrote my book blink about the amadou diallo case. And i think its incumbent upon us to sit down with those people and figure out what are the 20 things we need to do to make the situation better . I say 20 for a reason. There isnt one thing we can do to make it better. Its going to be 20 different things, each of which will make a marginal difference. At the end, hopefully well have a structural change in the way that Police Officers<\/a> behave. Always learn from you, malcolm. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you, fareed. Next on gps, a tale of two cities. Wuh wuhan, the onetime epicenter of covid19, is now all but free of the disease and some 10 Million People<\/a> were recently tested there. Now beijing is in the midst of its own outbreak. What in the world is happening in china . 300 miles an hour, thats where i feel normal. Having an annuity tells me my retirement is protected. Protected Lifetime Income<\/a> from an annuity can help your Retirement Plan<\/a> ride out turbulent times. Learn more at protectedincome. Org. Wuhan, the capital of chinas hubei province, is about 500 miles west of shanghai. The city was not well known outside china until it became known as the original epicenter of the covid crisis. In the end the city endured a 76day Strict Lockdown<\/a> and reported 60,000 infections and 4,000 deaths. Now the city has done something rather extraordinary, administered a covid test to almost all of its 11 million residents. Joining me now is vivian wang, who has been reporting on this story for the New York Times<\/a>. This is part of a new series on gps called best practices for beating covid19 in which we examine what went right in the fight against the pandemic. Welcome, vivian. Thanks, fareed. Vivian wang, explain to us the you know, what sounds like a breathtaking enterprise. The chinese decided they were going to test 6. 5 Million People<\/a> in wuhan. How did they do that . Its actually more than 6. 5. By the end of their testing push, they had tested 9. 9 Million People<\/a> because their goal was to get basically all 11 million residents tested with the exception of Young Children<\/a> and people who had recently gotten a test. So, yeah, it was even more astonishing than you just described. And the way they did it is essentially that each neighborhood in wuhan, like basically every city in china, is divided on a neighborhood level. And each of those neighborhoods has a neighborhood committee. Its a relic of the mao era. And each of those neighborhoods were really the infrastructure of this testing push. They were in charge of setting up the tents and the stools. They were in charge of making sure that every resident got a text message or heard a broadcast telling them to get tested. They were in charge of, you know, really making sure that hopefully nobody slipped through the cracks. And that was really key to wuhans ability to do this really extraordinary task. You point out that they were doing this mass testing, trying to test almost everybody, partly for Health Reasons<\/a> and to be able to monitor outbreaks, but a lot had to do with their reopening strategy and instilling public confidence. Absolutely. So, china has really emphasized two goals throughout the past couple months. Number one, getting the outbreak under control, of course, but number two, getting the economy going again. Its really the bedrock of the communist party of legitimacy. A big reason the testing push was implemented was because many wuhan residents were still very scared to go outside. They, you know, rightfully were scared of asymptomatic infections. They didnt know if it was safe for them to be outside, working, shopping. In the governments mind, this was a way to reassure people it was a way to restart life again. When you look at this, do you think that the chinese government, the local government in this case mostly, did they use kind of authoritarian methods, coercion, in order to achieve these results, or was it, as you were talking about neighborhood groups and things like that . Because we know democracies did some of the same things, taiwan, south korea. How would you agree the success to which tchsz chinas authoritarian system that made it a success in wuhan, china . I would call it a mix. First of all, it was chinas authoritarian lockdown that led us to the situation in the first place where wuhan had a low incidence of cases. As you said, there were democrats that did not have such draconian lockdowns that were able to, you know, keep their cases low or get them low after an initial outbreak. As far as the testing push itself, there werent necessarily, you know, workers going door to door, dragging unwilling people out of their homes to be tested. And there were certainly residents who were very happy about this testing push because they wanted that measure of reassurance, as i mentioned. On the other hand, i did talk to residents who were scared about the idea of going to wait in a long line in potentially close proximity to their neighbors for, you know, what to them felt like an optics show. So, there were some, what you could call subtle courses of measure. One resident told me about hearing an audio announcement in his neighborhood that basically, if you dont come get tested, your Green Health Code<\/a> is going to get downgraded to yellow. In china your health code is really what allows you to get around after this outbreak. You use it to be allowed to enter banks, to be allowed to enter supermarkets. The idea your health code would be downgraded if you didnt get tested would certainly be a pretty big stick to a lot of residents who might have been hes stant at first. Tell us about the latest news coming out of china, which is beijing is seeing an outbreak. It is tide to a big wet market that spris almost 80 of the produce in beijing. Whats going on . So, over the past week there has been an outbreak in beijing. Last i checked, i think it was about 180 cases that had been confirmed. So, china is, of course, very, very fearful of a second wave and especially fearful of an outbreak in its capital because of the symbolic that that would have. We have seen the government kick into gear. They have shut down the market. They have locked down dozens of neighborhoods around the market. They have closed schools. They have restricted the ability of people to leave beijing. So, were really seeing, you know, the lessons they took from wuhan and from the rest of the country coming into play here. At the same time, i think its important to emphasize, this is not a wuhanstyle lockdown. The entire city is not under lockdown. It is really just the area around the market that has been restricted the most. In the rest of the city, my colleagues have reported that life actually feels somewhat normal as long as youre not trying to leave beijing or not trying to go anywhere near the market. Vivian wang, thanks so much. Terrific reporting. Thank you. Next on gps the politics of covid as it travels from blue states to red ones right here in america. Indistinct talking on tv ] hey. You fell asleep with your sign again. You fell asleep with your sign again. No, i didnt. Okay. Switch to progressive and you can save hundreds. You know, like the sign says. A lot goes through your mind. With fidelity wealth management, your dedicated adviser can give you straightforward advice and tailored recommendations. Thats the clarity you get with fidelity wealth management. And tailored recommendations. When you think of a bank, you think of people in a place. 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In fact, across the country, covid19 has moved from initial hot spots in densely populated democratic strongholds like seattle and new york, into trump territory. Take a look at this graph from the Washington Post<\/a>. More and more new cases have been emerging in counties that voted for trump as the enormous numbers seen early on in the counties that supported Hillary Clinton<\/a> begin to fall off. Part of this is the nature of the virus. It will spread first in heavily trafficked areas and then to the suburbs before eventually getting to rural areas. Those latter places, of course, tend to be more republican leaning. But theres more to it than that. Everything from mask wearing and social distancing has been political sized. From the beginning republicans have been taking their cues from the president who dismissed the science, proposed his own remedies and despite the deposit recommendations he would not be Wearing Masks<\/a> or nor has he agreed on a simple rule all experts agree on no large gatherings. Cell phone data analyzed by the New York Times<\/a> in midmay showed residents of countied that voted for trump were staying hoch much less than those in clintonsupporting counties. As many of these counties are far from urban centers, residents have to travel more for essential services and also less likely to have jobs that allow working from home. Some republican governors are also defying scientific warnings and reopening their economies without having mass testing in place. Even as infection rates hit new records in the thousands, states like arizona and florida are continuing with their plans to fully loosen restrictions. Meanwhile, President Trump<\/a> claims that democratic governors who have moved cautiously to reopen are doing so to hinder his reelection bid with a troubled economy. It is perhaps no surprise, then, that the u. S. Curve has never really dropped off in the way the European Unions<\/a> did. Remember, europe is more densely populated than america. In fact, as numbers increase today, many experts say we are still in a first wave that was never really properly dispatched from Botched National<\/a> testing efforts to mixed messages on masks, the u. S. Started off on the wrong foot and it has never really caught up. Thanks to all of you for being part of my show this week. I will see you next week. Dont forget when the world gets complicated, a lot goes through your mind. With fidelity wealth management, your dedicated adviser can give you straightforward advice and tailored recommendations. Thats the clarity you get with fidelity wealth management. And tailored recommendations. 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One person who was fired in the socalled wednesday night massacre speaks out in just a few minutes. First, we are seeing a convergence of three stories. The pandemic, protests and politics. All of it in tulsa, oklahoma. All of it with a side of tiktok trolling. Thats right. From australia to great britain, all around the world, headlines about President Trump<\/a>s rally falling short of expectations. All those empty seats. The crowds did not show up as expected. Why does this matter . Why is it a lead story . Because it matters to him","publisher":{"@type":"Organization","name":"archive.org","logo":{"@type":"ImageObject","width":"800","height":"600","url":"\/\/ia803206.us.archive.org\/7\/items\/CNNW_20200621_140000_Fareed_Zakaria_GPS\/CNNW_20200621_140000_Fareed_Zakaria_GPS.thumbs\/CNNW_20200621_140000_Fareed_Zakaria_GPS_000001.jpg"}},"autauthor":{"@type":"Organization"},"author":{"sameAs":"archive.org","name":"archive.org"}}],"coverageEndTime":"20240618T12:35:10+00:00"}