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CNNW New Day February 2, 2018

They are worried Christopher Wray could quit in protest. It does not impugn the Mueller Investigation. There is an ongoing effort by this president to discredit this critical investigation. This is new day with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. We want to welcome our viewers in the United States and around the world. This is new day. It is friday, february 2nd, 6 00 in new york. John berman joins me. Memo day and groundhog day. Cant be a coincidence. President trump is set to release the controversial gop memo despite strong objections from the fbi and Justice Department. Sources tell cnn that the president believes they could discredit by exposing bias in the top ranks of the fbi. A new report in the Washington Post said President Trump never had any hesitation about the need for the memo to go public even before he had read it for the first time two days ago. Well tell you about the role cable news played in shaping the president s decision. Sources tell cnn the fbi still has grave concerns about this memo being released. It is unclear what changes, if anything, the house intelligence will make before it goes forward. But they insist there are serious omissions of fact. They are worried that Christopher Wray could resign over this. An even bigger question what it means for rod rosenstein. Will this be used as justification to fire him . Amid all of this, a new concern this morning, some fox in the west wing are now worried that after all the republican hi hyperbo hyperbole, it really isnt all that. Reporter good morning, john. After a week of anticipation, President Trump is expected to go against the advice of his top Law Enforcement officials and pave the way to release this controversial gop memo alleging fbi surveillance abuses. President trump expected to ignore the warnings of his fbi chief and Justice Department officials, approving the release of the gop memo alleging fbi surveillance abuses today. Cnn has learned that President Trump has told friends in recent phone conversations that the memo may help him discredit Robert Muellers russia investigation. House Speaker Paul Ryan insisting otherwise. The more transparency the better. This is not an indictment of the fbi, the department of justice. It does not impugn the Mueller Investigation or the Deputy Attorney general. Reporter the Washington Post reporting that mr. Trump never had any hesitation about releasing the memo and made the decision before even reading the document on wednesday. After two conservative congressman brought it to his attention just two weeks ago. I have concerns about the process, about representations that may be made in court pleadings. It is up to the American People to judge for themselves. The post reporting President Trump thinks it will help build a public argument against rod rosensteins handling of the case. Cnn has reported that President Trump has recently vented about wanting to fire rosenstein. A Senior Administration official tells cnn the memo is like lu to be returned to Congress Today with no redactions. But the House Intelligence Committee may still make changes before releasing the memo to the public. Despite this, the bureau continues to have grave concerns remarking that edits will not change the ofall false theyre tough of the memo. This memo is of such low quality that when it is is out there people will see this is the latest installment of secondrate efforts to impugn the fbi. Reporter cnn learn Top White House aides are worried Christopher Wray could quit if it is released. Others down playing it wondering if it is worth the showdown between the president and his handpicked fbi chief. Mr. President , are you aware he your fbi director may quit over this decision . Reporter james comey said American History shows in the long run, weasels and liars never hold the field as long as good people stand up. Alisyn and john, we have yet to hear about the rationale for releasing this memo. It looks like based on his schedule today he may not. He plans to meet with north korea an defectors before heading to sterling, virginia to push an immigration plan. And he will head to maralago where he will spend Super Bowl Weekend at his resort. Anything could happen in the next hours. Thank you for that reporting. Over questions of obstruction of justice and collusion. That is almost a tsunami of terrible judgment. But it also shows coordination between the House Intelligence Committee and the white house and the president , which itself is incredibly troubling. For paul ryan to pretendonitis got nothing to do i want to stop you. The coordination between the white house and the committee, what do you mean . We have seen earlier this year had to be sidelined from the russia investigation because he was working with people in the National Security council. You think it is still going on . The patterns are hard to break. When nunes is not sharing information with the fbi, with the Justice Department but having a close relationship with the white house, i think that is a troubling fact pattern and we will find out more about it. I would not be surprised at all if we find conversations. Certainly not under oath. In fact, just the opposite. Paul ryan swears this is not about the Mueller Investigation. Lets listen to what he says. This memo is not an indictment of the fbi, of the department of justice. It does not impugn the Mueller Investigation or the Deputy Attorney general. What it is the congresss legitimate function of kwroovert to make sure the fisa process is being used correctly and if it wasnt, it needs to come to light so we do not have problems again. This does affect our civil liberties. This is 100 at odds with what cnn is reporting now. The president telling friends that this discredits the Mueller Investigation, which is why he is so excited about it. Both things cannot be true, michael zeldin. The Bigger Picture is you see the white house and allies building the case. A political case of how it will handle the Mueller Investigation. A justification not to testify. Why sit down if this has been muddied from the start. A justification after the Mueller Report comes out saying why should we believe this. It has been muddied from the start. Well, and that is their prerogative. What ryan said is untrue. This is not about oversight. It would involve Christopher Wray coming and testifying before the committee, which he offered to do and was rejected. He said this is not an assault on the if you can. Christopher wray thinks otherwise. This is not an attempt to muddy up the investigation but tellsa on the phone thats what it is. With respect to muler and his team, theyre following the clinton playbook in part, which is to shoot the messenger because they have problems with the facts being investigated. Thats fine. But in the end it didnt help bill clinton. He got impeached and tried and his presidency was impacted by it. It is fascinating to road all the reporting into the people who have tried to stop this from coming out. Chris wray talked to john kelly. Director of National Intelligence dan coats met with him. Security officials largely focused on the need to protect sources and methods of intelligence gathers, as well as concerns about setting a dangerous precedent. This isnt subtle, folks. You have the director of National Intelligence, head of fbi, both trump appointees, and members of the Justice Department saying dont do this. This is reckless and could is the a dangerous precedent. And the white house seems to do it anyways. Assuring the congressman 100 , were going to release it, before he ever read it. Thats why this is trowelling. Yesterday there were concerns should Christopher Wray resign if the president release this is outside his own recommendations. Fbi agents realizing he has their back, but how have can they go . This is a unified field of Intelligence Services and Law Enforcement telling the president not to go ahead with this step. We get who may stay and who may go. People may get fired and or quit over it. Transparency would be allowing us to see the data, which you cant do because thats classified. More transparency not just the republican analysis of that data, which is not data itself, and give us the democratic. Short of that, it is not transparent. There is no transparency here. If you step back and you listen to what the justification for the release of the memo is, congressman nunes believes that there have been abuses in the fisa application around the carter page warrant. So he is determined somehow to figure out if thats true or not. If we take him at his word and thats what he is out to get information with respect to, you call the i. G. And say investigate this. Or you call in all the relevant people to a closed door classified oversight hearing and say, i want to know about this. But neither of those things have happened. In fact, they more or less have both been rejected. So you know now there is a political narrative they want to put out into the field to set the cement of this view that there were pwaoutsz and the fruit of the poisonous tree. Everything else is tainted. Therefore, we cant belive anything. There are a lot of different ways the speaker of the house could show his concern about this. It is particularly partisan. It is sad to so a member of congress act like an errand boy for the white house. Some of the writing that inspired the president to feel that the memo should become public before he had read it. Congressman trey gowdy coming back from davos. Watch this. About the process, about representations that may be made in court pleadings. I have concerns about the duty of government to provide comple complete, full, accurate information. We are not advocates at this stage. We are representatives to the court. So there is an obligation to present accurate, full, complete information. And thats true in every criminal case or every counterintelligence case. They just dont get the scrutiny this one does. That gave it heft in the president s mind . I dont know that it gave it heft. But what it did tell you is he is misrepresenting the process. Trey gowdy . Trey gowdy is. What theyre all upset about politically is the dossier, the intense in the dossier was part of the process. We dont know what part of on it. They make it sound like a lot. To understand the process, this is an application where executive Branch Officials go before a judge who has to make a determination whether probable cause to believe a warrant is worth implementing. These are judges who when you listen to the hearings on the reauthorization of fisa, the majority said these are i have the language. Highly respected judges approved, appointed by the Supreme Court justice the khf justice of the Supreme Court. These are the best of the best. But now of course when theyre making a routine probable cause determination they will be snowed by an fbi agent who will rely on raw data. It is laughable. Stand by. We will discuss a lot more. Trey gowdy is the one republican who has seen the underlining data. But gowdy has seen it. All right. So if this memo becomes public today, could it force the fbi director Christopher Wray to resign . Is that possible . Well discuss next. 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Cnn is reporting on this that there are people inside the white house concerned that Christopher Wray might get over this. Christopher wray didnt sign it so he wouldnt have to personally own it. Without his name he wont have to resign. It is really ar contain. The white houses concern that wray might resign shows the devastating effect, a double resignation within the first 1 months of presidency. On the other hand, the president is trying to pressure people in his cabinet to resign all the time. He likes to bully and force people out. If wray steps aside for reasons of honor around this memo issue, then the president gets to appoint someone else. And the whole point is the center of gravity in the Trump Administration toward more loyalists. Two democrats i spoke to yesterday said they dont want to see this happen. Theres been reporting that this memo will somehow impugn rod rosenstein. And he of course oversees muellers investigation. Is this the predicate for getting rid of this here . Theres nothing in the fisa authorization that apparently signed off on that gives anyone cause to believe that he needs to be fired. But politically look at this memo. This shows something has gone terribly wrong. Thats what im saying to you. You cannot make that argument based on the facts of the case. This was an authorization for a warrant back in the summer. Then they have 90 days. During that 90 days they have to acquire additional evidence to reup the warrant. You cant rely on original intelligence. So it cant be the dossier in the reauthorization. Right. So rosenstein, as i understand the facts, signed off on the reauthorization. So it goes through all the fbi, then the doj, the line people and finally gets to rosenstein. They say to him, boss, everybody has vetted this. Can you sign off on it. He reads it, which is 6500 pages, these things, and then he said, all right, i think we have probable cause. Lets reauthorize. So there is nothing in that continuum that says this is the basis to fire. And if they want to fire, they can fire because he has the constitutional right to do so. Youre living in the world where he needs factual reasons to fire rod rosenstein, not political reasons. What he is looking for is political justification. This might give him the political justification for that. Lets put up the rap sheet. James comey going. Andrew mccabe left as well. Everyone except donald trump jr. Thinks this is over the russia investigation. Thats a whole other issue. Rod rosenstein and bob mueller still here. Rod rosenstein is central, central. Yeah. Because he is the Justice Department official overseeing the investigation. Not just that but he keeps it within certain barriers. If you have the white house trying to pull a slowmotion saturday night massacre, force people out over a period of months instead of one night to under ts c undercut the investigation, that may be strategically what they are trying to do. There is a degree of coordination with partisan Media Building this drum beat to create a separate reality so it doesnt actually matter what the memo says. Its the narrative that has been created around it that folks will believe. That itself is a separate form of political i guess the point i was going to make is this. In respect of the firing of comey, there was a plausible argument. He didnt do a good job on the emails with hillary clinton. He testified about a counterintelligence investigation whi

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