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CNNW Reliable Sources July 2, 2017

You can see that the cnn logo has been superimposed onto the other fighters face. This showed up on a reddit message board days ago. Now its showing up on the president of the United States own twitter feed. The early reaction in the last 90 minutes have ranged from this is juvenile, ridiculous, idiotic, or wait no its just funny. Hes just having fun. Wait, no its actually scary, dangerous. Weve heard a wide range of reactions to this. And we have a panel standing by. But first cnns response. The strongest statement ive seen from cnn or any news outlet this year in response to the president s attacks. Quote it is a sad day when the president of the United States encourages violence against reporters. Cleary Sarah Huckabee sanders lied when she said the president had never done so. Instead of preparing for his overseas trip, his first meeting with vladimir putin, north korea and working on the Health Care Bill he is involved in juvenile behavior far below the dignity of his office. The statement from cnn saying we will keep doing our jobs. He should start doing his. And this is day six of trumps antimedia tweet storms. Weve been covering this all week long. His offensive tweets about Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski took up days of News Coverage and those came after days of attacks against cnn and the Washington Post. Now his target on sunday is cnn again. Who knows which outlet will be next. Whos going to speak out . Are other Media Outlets going to speak up . I think they will today. Weve already seen solidarity from journalists on twitter. What about gop leaders . What about Republican Leaders . I think we should be clear about the trump strategy here. The president s strategy, lets think about this, hes trying to build up news outlets that promote him while trying to tear down outlets that dare to challenge him. He is promoting his friends in the media, talking with friendly interviewers who wont ask him tough questions while hes demeaning voices who criticize him. Now dont take my word for it. Take his. At a private fundraiser this week, trump asked the donors if he should sue cnn. And then he called cnn staffers, quote, horrible human beings. And on saturday he continued his campaign against the broader media. Watch. The fake media is trying to silence us. But we will not let them. Because the people know the truth. The fake media tried to stop us from going to the white house. But im president , and theyre not. Is this president trying to impersonate hugo chavez . Recep Tayyip Erdogan . Vladimir putin . This is exactly the kind of language that leaders use when theyre trying to undermine the press. Of course the American Press is much more free than reporters in places like russia and turkey and venezuela. On this Independence Day weekend thats something we should all be celebrating. So wheres paul ryan . Wheres Mitch Mcconnell . Are gop leaders going to speak up about these attacks against the media . Like i said, right now at cnn, earlier it was the Washington Post and the New York Times. Its been other networks, its been other outlets. This president continues to demean the media, are gop leaders going to support him . I want you to know we reached out to the white house earlier this week to invite a spokesperson onto the Program Given all the president s media attacks. Unfortunately they did not respond to our requests. But joining me now is a panel that can examine this from every angle. With me Carl Bernstein, legendary Investigative Reporter who broke the watergate story wide open along with bob woodward. Hes now a cnn political analyst. Kelly mcbride, media ethicist and Vice President for the Pointer Institute david zurawik, olivia from the new York Magazine and ben ferguson radio host of the ben ferguson show and a cnn political commentator. Were having trouble with the live shot. Carl were going to address cnns error this week, the resignation of three reporters. That is something the president and his aides are now exploiting trying to demean this entire network as fake and fraudulent news. Id love to hear your reaction to this anticnn video from the president this morning . First its not just anticnn. Its antifreedom of the press. Its antifreedom of speech. It is a definitive statement by the president of the United States. I think it also goes to the question that many military leaders in this questions raised by military leaders in this country now. By the intelligence community. By people in congress, about the stability of the president of the United States. This is an index of his state of mind. Visually. Its very disturbing. Theres nothing like light hearted about it whatsoever. It is an incitement. It is definitive, as i say, in the way this president views a free press and its exercise under the First Amendment to the constitution. And let me add one thing here about Hillary Clinton and our coverage of Hillary Clinton and her server, that donald trump and his people thought at the time was an example of great news by the same news institutions that he is now calling fake news. When it suits him, its great news. When it doesnt, its fake news. And the nexus of fake news in america is the trump white house. Im glad we have an hour because were going to unpack everything you just said. I want to ask about one detail in the cnn statement, olivia, you are a working reporter in washington every day, so you see some of the hate mail, some of the threats that reporters get. Did you interpret cnns statement to say this video enkourages violence . Would you agree with that that this video actually encourages violence . I dont know if that was certainly Donald Trumps intention. But it doesnt matter right . What matters is what the effect is. And i think theres certainly a chance that someone who docould look at that tweet and say this is what the president wants us to do and we have to be concerned about that. I think this has happened a number of times where it goes from reddit to one of Donald Trumps aides and then to Donald Trumps twitter account. Can you tell us about that . For viewers who dont know what reddit is, tell us about that. I dont recommend it. But reddit is, you know, a message board where people can talk and post all sorts of things. And its sort of very free wheeling. And donald trump is very popular on reddit during the campaign. There were all sorts of different threads where he was popular on reddit and this happened repeatedly. Where something might go from info wars to reddit, and then go to what is presumably Donald Trumps aides who talk to him, and then it went to Donald Trumps twitter account. Its just not something were used to seeing come from the president of the United States. But it is something that weve seen repeatedly throughout Donald Trumps Young Political career. Right. Ben ferguson i mentioned hes on the phone with us, conservative talk show host and cnn commentator. Ben im curious from your perspective do you have a message for the president about sharing a video like this . Look, i think we got to put it in perspective. This has been going around on twitter. I think when i saw it, i eventually laughed at it because i thought it was actually one of the more humorous moments of the real fighting back and forth that the president has had with the media. I dont think it incites violence. I think people are stretching when they imply that. Wrestling is fake. Everybody knows that wrestling is fake. This was something that you just need to have just an ounce of humor, and just kind of look at this and say, this may actually be a little bit of a funny moment for this. You could look at it and say its clever you can say wrestling is fake. Security threats are real. And ben you suffer from this just like the rest of us do. You get hate mail that sometimes threatens your life. And thats whats happening to folks at cnn right now. Ive seen some of the trash thats coming to peoples inboxes. How can we look at this video and not think that its actually going to cause even more of those threats more of that hate to fester out there . Look, i think you obviously have reached a intense moment between the president , and the media, where he feels like there are people out there in the media that theyre entire day is surrounded by trying to go after the president , and turning stories into bigger news than it maybe really is. And thats one of the things that we saw this last week that hes trying to capitalize on. Hes trying to make it abundantly clear that there are people in the media who have made it their personal mission and their job to destroy this president. And when you look at Something Like that he just tweeted out, and we try to turn this in to a bigger story, as if hes inciting violence, which is just not the reality whos turning it into a bigger story, ben . This is what the president of the United States decided to post today. He could have posted about health care. He could have responded to criticisms youre playing into the exact point that im making here and the point that im making is, youre over i think everyones trying to overmake this into too big of a deal, overexaggerate this. It took me three seconds to retweet that tweet earlier saying were going to talk about it this morning. Im sure the president saw it and thought it was pretty funny and said im going to retweet this. It took him seven seconds. It didnt take him 72 hours or 24 dhours no i agree with you on that. Hes a busy man. Hes not just tweeting all day. But what he does for seven seconds with hurt people. David zurawik, the president s acting strong and thats what his supporters on reddit are saying, this is a show of strength. I would argue its an admission of weakness. The campaign against the media is sort of all he has. Zurawik, your reaction . Well, look, first i want to say i couldnt disagree more with ben. And i think the most dangerous thing is to say oh, have a sense of humor, lets just laugh at it. You can kill somebody in seven seconds. Thats part of the problem with social media. Is people dont think about what they say. And they put out hateful, nasty stuff like this. Listen, i wrote this this week. I really believe this. Twitter was a great tool for somebody outside of the power somebody campaigning. Its great for people who are protesting, people outside the castle. Its a great attack vehicle. But now that hes inside the castle, and hes the guy running it, he doesnt know how to control that voice anymore. Its like the god gave him the gift of fire to vanquish all his opponents in the republican primary. It was a 24 7 kind of attack ad that costs you nothing. It will revolutionize campaigning im sure. But now, what its giving us is exactly what you said at the top, its giving us a glimpse into his mind with these tweets like the ones against Mika Brzezinski and this, and its a really disturbing look at the man running the country. Look you take somebody, you slam them physically to the ground, you put a logo on identifying them, thats what fascists did in the 30s to people. This is not something, ben that you laugh about and say oh, ho ho its only 7 seconds what a funny thing, get a sense of humor, yuck it up youre not saying anywhere near fascism, are you . With all due respect as a media critic have you ever had this type of intensity towards it people that, great example, saturday night live or would you say that thats humor and funny . I denounce barack obama when he cut tried to cut fox from the herd and say im going to define what a legitimate News Organization is. Ask brian i was on this show with the same intensity. This is about what Carl Bernsteins talking about. This is about our constitutional government, its about the high end of the press, which trump doesnt und stand. He knows the bottom feeders in the tabloid world. Thats the kind of people he knows. People who can be bought and sold. People who can be scared. If he thinks the New York Times or the Washington Post or cnn is going to be scared by him, he is in for the rudest awakening so lets be clear about this. What youre saying is that anyone else out there that wants to be funny, saturday night live, come seedians, people that mock him on tv, that is acceptable, but for the president to have a little bit of a sense of humor this morning, and to actually put out a video that he was in with fake wrestling, youre now saying its fascism. No, not true. Ben when Kathy Griffin did something physically that would possibly incite violence against the president , we all denounced her. This is the same condemnation one second. I want to interject here. This is about the president of the United States rejecting what reporters do. Which is to report and try to get the best obtainable version of the truth. This is that function that has terrified this president from the beginning. It is that function that has turned him into the this kind of bully as other people have noted. He is he is going to the question of what we do at the heart of our business, which is to report. He does not want us to report. He wants us to be lap dogs. He wants us to be, as he had early in this campaign, very pliant toward what he is saying and toward his sensationalism and toward his manufactured controversy, instead of the best obtainable version of the truth. Thats what all of this is about. And we need to return to our reporting carl, with all due respect can i finish price . Can i just finish . We have to be intellectually honest here and look at the reality that there is a significant percentage of the media, especially in washington, d. C. , that have a genuine disdain and hatred for the president of the United States of america. And what youre saying is that you the president does not expect them to be his lap dogs. He just is asking for them to at least be fair in their coverage. And there are a lot of people in the media that are not. They go out, with the intent to do everything they can to undermine and take down this white house. All right, ben let me say one thing break but let me add this thing and get Kelly Mcbride in here. Were talking about the media very broadly. It includes reporters and it also includes commentators. Exactly. And i think theres a lot of commentators who are very disturbed by the president , some of whom may go overboard sometimes. But i think carl your point is on the reporting front, we need to continue to do the reporting jobs, yes, commentators might go overboard. Kelly i really want to hear from you, Kelly Mcbride, of the Pointer Institute, how do you think journalists should be covering this kind of anticnn tweet if at all . Well well i honestly think that were probably spending a little too much time on it here. Okay. No offense. Thats why i asked. And, frankly, it just came out, and so, right, this has like in the last 30 minutes or 45 minutes. So its not completely inappropriate. But, i mean, yes, if a reporter did this, a reporter would be fired. Right . And so, i dont think we have to debate whether its appropriate or what the president s state of mind was. Whether he was trying to make a joke, or whether hes trying to be intentional. I think what we have to do as journalists is focus on the stories that need our attention. Whats going on with the health care act. Whats going on with our taxes. Whats going on with trade, whats going on with climate change. And how are federal policies that the president is enacting or not enacting affecting those issues. And i worry that when we get im completely offended by this clip. And i also think its kind of ironic, because i believe that this clip or one very similar to it is part of the documentary that just came out last week called nobody speaks which is about the threat to the Free Press Great that many forces yeah. And so i think that theres a certain amount of irony here. But when we get distracted by this, and we get too emotional, and we take our eye off our jobs then were not serving our audience, either. And so to explain why we do what we do. And these kinds of messages have a corrosive effect on a big portion of the country. Absolutely. Absolutely. And we can do that. We can do that in a way that we can be heard now. And i worry that the way you guys are yelling at each other, nobodys listening to you. Then lets make sure we dont speak over each other. Lets get bens video up. Were trying to get ben on camera. Were going to keep everybody around here. Take a break and reset because theres a lot more to discuss, including cnns retraction and resignations of three staffers. Is the press giving the president ammunition for his war . Were also going to discuss Joe Scarborough, Mika Brzezinski and the National Enquirer. What is that about . New answers right after the break. Lobster and shrimp are teaming up in so many new dishes. 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