A look at breaking news, politics and reports from around the world. Guiliani described the supposed meeting, then said it never happened. And he once again reiterated the president knew nothing about the meeting in advance. Tonight, Rudy Guiliani seems to be muddying the waters about what meetings may have taken place before the now controversial june 2016 sit down between donald trump jr. And the russians. Guiliani brought up for the first time another meeting without the president three days before the russians met at trump tower. Guiliani claims reporters have been asking questions about its occurrence, and guiliani is trying to make clear it did not happen. There wasnt another meeting, that has been leaked, but hasnt been public yet. That was a meeting, alleged meeting three days before. He says there was a meeting with donald jr. , with jared kushner, with Paul Manafort, with gates, and possibly two others in which they out of the presence of the president discussed the meeting with the russians. We checked with their lawyers, the ones we could check with, four of the six. That meeting never, ever took place. It didnt happen. It is a figment of his imagination or a lie. Reporter this as guiliani ramps up attacks on Michael Cohen, going after him personally. The guy is unethical, he is a scumbag, he is a horrible person. Reporter and pushing back against the revelation that according to sources cohen claims he is prepared to tell the Special Counsel the president knew in advance about donald jr. s meeting with the russians and approved to it. When youre lying, theres a trap. When we said there was a one on one meeting, donald jr. Came in and told him the meeting was about to take place. Two witnesses say it didnt happen. The president and his son. They have a Self Interest in saying that. And cohen has a bigger Self Interest in saying it. Reporter this is a 180 from glowing reviews for the fixer, attorney. He is an honest, honorable lawyer. I do not expect Michael Cohen will lie. I think hell tell the truth. Guiliani saying his opinion changed with the Revelation Cohen recorded at least one conversation with the president. How did i know he was a lawyer taping his client. You tell me a lawyer is taping his client, i have to say sorry, i made a mistake. I said he was honest and honorable, i didnt know he tape recorded conversations with clients, shaking down people for money. He was manipulating or doctoring tapes. I didnt know that when i said that. George washington didnt know Benedict Arnold was a traitor. And tonight, donald trump jr. s lawyer is issuing a statement on all of this, in light of don jr. s continued insistence he never told his father about the trump tower meeting, even though sources say Michael Cohen plans to say the president was told. He says we investigated this matter over a year and are in command of the facts, we are
fully confident of the accuracy and reliability of the information thats been provided by donald trump jr. In the various investigations. Of course, wolf, the lawyer for donald trump jr. Is trying to tamp down stories precipated by precipated by this. You lie to congress, thats a crime. Exactly. Well see what happens. Thank you very much. Joining us, mazie horona, senator, thank you for joining us. Thank you. You know President Trump has repeatedly claimed there was no collusion, now his lawyer Rudy Guiliani is arguing collusion isnt even a crime necessarily, so what does that signal to you . I think that the news is closing. Guiliani is like a loose cannon, so is the president frankly. Conspiracy is a crime and Obstruction Of Justice is a crime. And it all points to how important it is for the Mueller Investigation to continue. Donald trump jr. s lawyer you just heard says they are fully confident the accuracy and reliability of the information that has been provided by donald trump jr. And various investigations, based on what weve learned, do you think that reflects the information he provided to your committee during his q and a session . I know that during his sessions with us not just with our Judiciary Committee but the entire trump family as far as im concerned has not been forthcoming and so at this point everybodys credibility in my view is questionable, and clearly guilianis credibility is shot, even as he goes ahead and attacks Michael Cohen who he said was a great guy not too long ago. The chairman of your committee, senate Judiciary CommitteeChuck Grassley says it is up to prosecutors now to determine if donald trump jr. Lied before your committee and he wont call him back. Are you satisfied with that . Not particularly but on the other hand again it points out how important it is for the Mueller Investigation to continue even as trump and his minions and his enablers continue to go after mueller in a very personal way and theyre just heightening their personal attacks on mueller, and this is why that investigation must continue. Rudy guiliani tells cnn, i am quoting now, the president didnt hack and didnt pay them for hacking. That defense comes days after cnn reported that Michael Cohen says the president signed off on the russian meeting ahead of time, knew of the offer of dirt on hillary clinton. Do you think the trump team is preparing for more revelations about what the president actually knew . They must be otherwise they
wouldnt be so vehement and what i would say, acting like loose cannons. These are people that act as if they have something to hide and theyre just scrambling, thats a good word, theyre just scrambling to attack and obfuscate as to whats really happening. So i repeat myself. I keep repeating myself in terms of how critical the Mueller Investigation is and why these really personal and heightened attacks on mueller says to me that trump team is getting even more nervous than they have been. Because as you know, the president and his lawyer guiliani are escalating dramatically personal attacks on the Special Counsel, Robert Mueller. How concerning is that to you . It is concerning in that they continue to put out conflicting information and frankly to watch Rudy Guiliani these days, it is very painful because theres a
guy whose credibility is totally shot. He actually expects to continue to have people listen to whatever he has to say . No. And hes just doing the bidding of President Trump. Thats not serving the public at all, and the person who is getting to the bottom of this and in a way that can be verifiable and under oath is Robert Mueller. The president on a separate subject once again threat Government Shutdown over funding for the border wall and other immigration issues. Do you think he would follow through on that threat so close to the november midterm elections . Theres one thing about President Trump, he continues to be very chaotic in his responses. These kinds of utterances come Out Of The Blue. He must be feeling a great deal of pressure. He was given the opportunity to get the money for his wall when we had a bill in the senate, this was about the fourth bill that was a bipartisan bill to
protect 800,000 dreamer participants. He said no to that. Suddenly after months he brings up the wall again. It must be because he feels under attack and lashes out. Thats one thing you can pretty much ascribe to the president , that when his back is against the wall, he attacks everybody he thinks is coming after him, whether it is real or not. Just to be specific, earlier in the day he tweeted this. Let me quote from his tweet. He said we must have Border Security, get rid of chain lottery, Catch And Release sanctuary cities, go to merit based immigration, protect i. C. E. And Law Enforcement and keep building, but much faster, the wall. When you look at the list, is there anything you and your colleagues and the Democratic Party are willing to work with the president on . We worked with him in a bipartisan way to protect the dreamers which included money for the wall, so thats being very much in line with where he
situation in terms of Foreign Policy where our own allies cant really trust what the president says at any given moment. This is yet another very dangerous thing for him to do. I really think the president thinks that he can run this country the way he ran his companies. He can do and say whatever he wants, except in the case of the country, you know, when things go bad, you cant declare bankruptcy. He takes very little responsibility for anything he says. He lashes out. So the chaoticness of his responses, reactions, utterances, it is unbelievable. His own State Department came out with a global report on terrorism and cited iranian as the leading State Sponsor of terrorism, but the president is willing to meet with president rouhani, any place, any time, without any preconditions. He has a very inflated view of his own powers to do anything. In fact, what he is good at is
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trump and his lawyer, Rudy Guiliani. The targets are clear, their strategy is more confusing, especially after the latest round of tweets by mr. Trump and interviews by Rudy Guiliani. Lets bring in our analysts and correspondents. Kaitlin collins, youre with us over the past 48 hours. Weve seen the president and his supporters escalate dramatically their personal attacks, personal attacks on both Robert Mueller and Michael Cohen. How do you explain that . Its interesting to see how far weve come from before march when President Trump wouldnt say Robert Muellers name, whether in person or on twitter. Now he is attacking him several times a day, saying he has conflicts of interest without saying what they are. They asked Rudy Guiliani what is the president is alleging is a conflict of interest, is it about golf fees, dispute they had before. He said he couldnt even answer. We are seeing them ramp up attacks and the president being
more and more consumed by it. You look at his twitter feed, constant that he is saying this. And the white house isnt answering questions about the president s mindset, instead referring us back to Rudy Guiliani who then in the interviews is making the allegations as he did today, now saying that collusion is not a crime. They seem to be moving the goalpost a bit. Before they said the president didnt collude, there was no collusion. Thats something we heard from the president on repeat essentially and now theyre moving the goalpost essentially to say no, collusion is not a crime, which raises the question why would you make that argument if theres no collusion. Let me play the clip from the interview he gave Allison Cammarata earlier today. I dont know if thats a crime, colluding about russians. You start analyzing the crime, the hacking is the crime. The hacking is the crime. Thats certainly the original
crime. He didnt pay them for hacking. Whats he trying to achieve . It is true, theres no such crime in the federal code called collusion. However, it is unlawful for foreign entities of any kind, individuals, companies to assist in an american campaign. And if you look at the case against the russians who put all those ads on facebook, that clearly was the violation that they made. If it could be shown that people involved with the Trump Campaign actually helped do that, i think it is quite clear, that is a crime. So it is an odd day for him to declare collusion is not a crime. It is not just hacking that is unlawful. Any sort of foreign assistance to a Domestic Campaign is a crime. And the last line, he didnt pay for the hacking raises a lot of questions. Why are they making that argument now that the president didnt pay for it. There are all sorts of crimes he didnt commit, i think we can
agree on that. The question is did he commit the crimes he is under investigation for. Conspiracy is a crime, it is another word for collusion. Let me point out, ann melgrum, in the memo the Deputy Attorney general Rod Rosenstein issued august 2nd, 2017, almost exactly a year ago, outlining the scope of the russia investigation, rosenstein writes that mueller should investigate, quote, lagsz that Paul Manafort committed a crime or crimes by colluding with russian government officials with respect to the russian governments efforts to interfere in the 2016 election for president of the United States, in violation of United States law. How effective is this Argument Guiliani is now making that collusion isnt even necessarily a crime . Right. By rosensteins own language he is basically saying committed a crime or crimes, and by colluding is the way in which they would have done it, by working with the russians, by
essentially cooperating with the russians. As you said, conspiracy is a crime, aiding, abetting is a crime. No one said collusion is a separate crime. It is the way the president could have actually committed a crime, which is by working with the russians. It could be as simple as getting that information, coordinating the release of information coming from hacked emails or cooperating on social media, influencing an election. David swerdlick, it is interesting because guiliani today Out Of The B