Questions about whether aspects of it are true. Lets start at the beginning. This week the Washington Post reported on the troubling incident involving two senior agents who allegedly went out drinking and then drove a government car into an investigation of a suspicious package right in front of the white house. All of this was particularly frightening since one of the men is the numbertwo agent who directly guards president obama. But now two Law Enforcement sources tell cnn that story was overblown. Officials tell cnn that the agents simply drove up to the investigation scene, not into it and theres not clear evidence that they were drinking. Nor is it clear that there was any discussion of giving them a sobriety test. Still, there are serious questions about the incident. Lets go to cnns erin mcpike stand big at the white house with the latest. Erin . Michael, we should point out there has been no Public Accounting from this the secret service about what actually happened. It has all been background information. The only thing that we do know from the secret service from their spokesman is that there is an investigation into this incident. Now, the incident occurred on march 4th and what happened is that there was a Retirement Party at a bar in chinatown that is seven blocks due east of the white house. And these two Senior Secret Service agents were at this party for their colleague. They came back at the end of the night in a government car so that the other agent could get his car, which was located here and at the time there was an area blocked off by the barricade at the white house because there was some suspicious activity, there had been a bomb threat and there were secret Service Agents investigating that. The two men in this car drove up to the edge of that activity and their car tapped an orange barrel that was outside the area. There was no collision. There was no damage. There may not even have been an ask for a sobriety test. Thats what we still have to figure out. But the problem here is that the incident wasnt reported to joe clancy who is the director of secret service, until five days later, and thats whats raising a lot of questions about the culture at the secret service and has clancy really restored credibility to this agency since he took over several months ago. But erin, if the incident was overblown, and youre making it clear we dont know at this stage, but if, in fact, it was overblown in the presentation in the Washington Post, that might explain why it wasnt brought to the atengts of the director for those five days. That is exactly right. What is clear is that there was potentially some sort of misconduct but because it made it into the Washington Post, it is clear that joe clancy needed to be involved in some way. It also has made its way to the white house, but theyre looking for some answers so joe clancy will be giving those answers to capitol hill in a series of private and public briefings on monday and tuesday. And we have already heard from the House Republican who leads the committee on government oversight and reform and he has been very concerned about what joe clancy knew and when he knew it. And those questions will come out in the coming days michael. But there are some details we just cant know because obviously at this point there cannot be a sobriety test because its ten dais later. The image that was created at least in my mind by the initial reporting of this incident is these individuals had had way too much came barreling out of play the white house, smashed into a barricade and interrupted what was then an active crime scene. That might not be the case. Thats the takeaway. Right . Absolutely the takeaway, that they may not have been drinking at all, they may have had one drink or two, much earlier in the night, and may not have been drunk at all, and just came back and were around the area where this investigation was going. But nothing may have hammed. There could have been a lot of misleading information give on the Washington Post. Erin thanks for that report. Joining me now is ron kessler. Hes a New York Times bestselling author of several books about the secret service. Hes also an awardwinning investigative reporter. Ron, what do you make of this latest development . I think this is a typical coverup by the secret service, and im very used to seeing that because theyve tried to cover up revelations in my book the first family detail. The Washington Post reporting on the secret Service Problems has been very accurate and why is it that these two very highranking individuals were removed from their posts and put in nonoperational positions . Obviously something very serious happened there. And this socalled you used the word coverup and perhaps thats what the evidence will show. Im far more concerned that their reputations these men are innocent until Proven Guilty that their representations have been besmirched with a rush to judgment. Well you know, the socalled pushback is all anonymous. If really there was a factual basis, the secret service would issue an on the record statement about it. And the fact they removed these individuals tems you that in fact they were involved in wrongdoing. And joe clancy, the new director appointed by president obama despite all the recommendations of his own panel that he get an outside director to shakeup the secret service, is very good at covering up. Ill give you one example, there are many at a hearing on the house in the house he was asked why is that the secret service issued false information about the intrusion by mr. Gonzalez at the white house . Why is it that the secret service said hed been apprehended at the door . That was not true. He went all the way into the white house. Why did they say he was not armed . That was not true. He was armed. And is anybody going to be held accountable . And the answer from clancy was, oh there was no problem there. But, ron, respectfully in this case he wasnt told for five days. The criticism is that he was out the of the loop so how can you possibly say that hes been involved in some degree of coverup . May i share with you what most troubles me about this incident that hasnt been reported on in the media because i think our attention has become diverted to what happened at that quote, unquote, crash scene, which apparently wasnt even a crash, its this a woman shows up at the white house, comes to the perimeter and she you know, as initially reported drove a government car into the White House Security barricades after drinking late at night at that party last week. But the underlying incident was that a woman comes up to the white house and says i think this is an fing bomb and throws an object later revealed to be a book has some kind of a skirmish with an officer outside the white house, and gets away. And wasnt apprehended for two full days. I hate the idea that someone can come up to the perimeter of the white house, pose a bomb threat and be able to escape without being apprehended. Whats your thought on that . I dont see that is necessarily a problem. You know Law Enforcement doesnt have supernatural powers to apprehend everybody. At the white house . At the perimeter of the white house . What if she were a radical islamist and she was a member of isis or some Affiliate Group and, in fact it were a bomb and thank god they were able to stop it before it detonated . Wed all be talking about that. Thats what concerns me is that the white house is vulnerable. Thats certainly something that should be looked into. There are not very clear examples of secret service screwups that are very scary and agents tell me that its a miracle there has not already been an assassination given all the problems that are coming out. In my book the first family detail, i go into dozens of other examples. For example, agents will let people into events without magnetometer screening or metal detector screening. Thats outrageous. Let me ask you this question and i can put up on the screen there have been a number of highprofile incidents recently involving the secret service. Lets just remind our viewers of some of the things the prostitution issue in columbia drunkenness in amsterdam, the white house fence jumper the guy who was armed and on an elevator with the president , and now this more recent incident that were discussing. In your book you write that the obamas have been very considerate of the United States secret service, that they have treated the United States secret service with dignity and with respect, which i think is a wonderful thing. But might that be to their detriment . In other words, might the president be too reluctant to put the hammer down to protect his own security because he is so respectful of the secret service and the role they play . I think thats a very good point. He is mesmerized by those agents who are very impressive and he thinks well the whole secret service must be like that. But somehow the rest of the world knows that this agency has become an embarrassment. And really at this point, theres one person responsible for the problems at the secret service and that is obama, because over and goempb going back to the intrusion at the state dinner at the white house by the salahis, the party crasher, obama keeps saying i have full confidence in the secret service, and over and over again he ease said that. The fact is he needs to bring an outsider for example a former highranking inging fbi official who could shake up the agency not be beholden to the interest within the agency. Whenever any organization is in trouble you bring in someone from the outside to shake it up. Ron kessler, thanks for your expertise and for being here. . Thank you. Ferguson missouri is unraveling under the question of which official may be the next to go . Ill tell you about one possible solution to fergusons problem, truly a radical idea. And more fallout from that racist video that took down the Sigma Alpha EpsilonSigma Alpha Epsilon fraternity at o. U. 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The city manager has stepped down, the police chief has stepped down now protesters are calling for the head of the last man standing, the mayor of the city james noles. But the mayor tells cnn hes not going anywhere. I think its important to recognize that theres a lot of people who may be angry at the situation, a lot of people who are frustrated in this community with the way things have gone down but theres a lot of people who still expressed it to me expressed confidence in both my willingness and members of the councils willingness to listen to be responsive and to make changes as necessary. People in the community recognize this. Not everybody. I didnt win every time 100 of the vote but i can tell you there are ways to remove me if that is the will of the people. This as a massive manhunt continues for the person who shot two Police Officers after a fresh round of protests this week. So how to fix fergusons deep systemic problems. One man says ferguson is so bad that it simply cannot be fixed, get rid of it he says abolish the town. Jarvis debary has put forward that idea a columnist for the new Orleans Timespicayune and he joins me now. You quoted James Baldwin this week who 55 years ago wrote a ghetto can be improved only one way out of existence. Is that how you see ferguson . Yeah. It pretty much is how i see ferguson. You know st. Louis county which isnt a large Geographic Area at all, has 89 municipalities which is just jaw dropping to me that a place of such a compact size would have that many municipalities. And reading the Justice Department report about all the things that have happened in ferguson there is clearly a despicable philosophy guiding that government which is basically that we are going to go after anybody and everybody we can, grab them by the ankles turn them upside down and shake all their pockets out just so our government can keep existing. And i think that a government that is doing that to its people routinely and as a matter of philosophy has lost all legitimacy and ought to be abolished. I understand the argument that says 89 municipalities youve got to feed the beast, youve got to be able to fund that apparatus. Yes. Heres what worries me about the solution. Let me show my viewers and read to you what the New York Times reported last sunday on its front page about the surrounding area. If the shooting of Michael Brown had take nl place about 500 yards to the southeast he would have died not if ferguson but in the neighboring city of jennings. The court system which is overseen by a white judge but has almost exclusively black defendants routinely sends peel to jail for failure to pay minor traffic fines, a new lawsuit alleges. Had the shooting occurred 3 1 2 miles to the north, the world might turn to a city where police stop black motorists at a rate nearly three times the share of the population. Court fines and fees accounted for over 40 of the citys general operating revenue last year. So perhaps i guess what im saying is there would be a cost savings if you were to go through consolidation, but the netnet would be the same result as it applies to minorities. I cant dispute that report. But the problem is much bigger than ferguson. The problem is st. Louis county as a whole and i think ferguson just happens to be the place that Michael Brown was shot and it just happens to be one of the worst offenders. The Justice Department report which to me everybody ought to read is required reading for i think an american citizen these days talks about how not only were the ferguson officials bragging and boasting about the amount of money they were taking in but they were also boasting about the amount of money they were taking in relative to other municipalities in the county. So they saw themselves as kind of i guess the dubious leader in an amount of money that they were getting out of their citizens. No i dont say that other municipalities in st. Louis county are better. But i think a message has to be sent that you cant have all of these little municipalities competing against one another and then competing against one another to see how much money they can extract from obviously poor people. Mr. Deberry thanks for your comments. We appreciate it. Thank you. Now for a different point of view. For many who protect and serve in this country, our Police Officers the deep tensions in ferguson have a whole different meaning. Many in Law Enforcement believe events in ferguson have sparked a war on them fueled by anticop hatred and rhetoric. Joining me now Milwaukee County sheriff david clark. Sheriff, welcome, and respond to what you just heard about this notion of consolidation. Would that change anything . I dont know. You know we have to look at what has led to the rise of the american ghetto in the United States to begin with and i think its failed liberal Government Policies that have torn a black family apart, created a lot of dysfunction. Some of this is selfinflicted. When you have kids out of wedlock, you dont embrace education, involve yourselves in drug and alcohol abuse. Youre not going to do very well in life. However, some of what was mentioned about whats going on in ferguson and other cities across america is also happening at the federal level with the irs, and i dont hear too many calls for abolishing the irs. So what we need to do is take a look at i understand the comment about the breakdown of the family being a contributing factor to crime. I happen to share that. But i dont understand what that has to do with the irs. It has a lot to do with the irs. Picking peoples pocket turning people upside down and shaking their pockets out to create revenue to spend on these failed libe