Coronavirus death toll now climbing above 201,000. This as the cdc director is warning that 90 of the people here in the United States remain susceptible to the virus. We expect to hear directly from President Trump fairly soon. We are standing by to take his question and answer session during a White House Briefing coming up this hour. But fir lets go to our National Correspondent Jason Carroll in louisville for us. Jason, what is the situation on the ground right now . Whats it like . Reporter wolf, just a short while ago we saw a number of protesters clashing with police just about a block from jefferson square. You can see there are a number of Police Officers who are still here. It all happened when one of the protesters started blocking police cars as they tried to move their way up the street here. They brought in other vehicles. We saw the clash with Police Officers. Police officers using pepper bullets and mace to disperse the crowd. They were able to do that for now. As youve heard, weve heard a number of people responding and reacting to what happened with the Attorney Generals Office with the grand jury. Its not only Breonna Taylor. It can happen to anyone. Reporter after months of protests and anticipation a kentucky grand jury indicted one officer in the Police Operation resulting in Breonna Taylors death. Former detective Brett Hankinson faces three charges of wanton endangerment in the first degree. Two other officers who responded with gunfire, Jonathan Mattingly and miles cosgrove were investigated but do not face any criminal charges. According to kentucky law the use of force by mattingly and cosgrove was justified to protect themselves. Reporter the charges against hankison are in relation to shots he fired that ripped through a neighboring apartment. Based on the evidence there is nothing conclusive to say that detective hankison, any of his bullets hit miss taylor. Reporter there has been much speculation surrounding the details of what happened the night on march 13th when Police Showed up serving a no knock warrant. The attorney general says evidence shows officers mattingly and cosgrove knocked and identified themselves before breaching taylors door and he says there is an independent witness to corroborate their account. But taylors boyfriend Kenneth Walker disputes the claim. Walker says he didnt hear Police Announce themselves and thought someone was trying to break in, so he fired a shot. Police have said that shot hit mattingly in the leg. All of a sudden someone started beating on the door. They refused to answer when we yelled who is it. 15 minutes later, breonna was dead from a hail of police gunfire. Reporter the attorney general says an fbi analysis determined the shot that killed taylor came from cosgrove. The fatal shot was fired by detective cosgrove. Reporter mattinglys Attorney Says the Justice System worked. The death of Breonna Taylor is a tragedy but these officers did not act in a wreckless or unprofessional manner. They did their duty, performed their roles as Law Enforcement officers, and above all did not break the law. The long awaited announcement sparking immediate anger in the streets of louisville. The attorney general asking for understanding. There will be celebrities, influencers, and activists who having never lived in kentucky will try to tell us how to feel, suggesting they understand the facts of this case and that they know our community and the commonwealth better than we do. But they dont. Reporter in the months since taylors death her mother has wanted just one thing. Criminal charges. They all four willingly committed a crime, so i dont think it is enough that one person should have to pay for it. It was a group effort, so reporter again, a lot of folks out here, protesters who support the taylor family, dmoondi demanding the same. What happened out here is we saw a number of protesters clark with police. Police ended up using pepper bullets, mace to disperse the crowd. It makes you wonder what is going to happen at 9 00 because that is when the curfew kicks in. Youve got city officials asking for calm, asking for people to protest peacefully but everyone out here awaiting that 9 00 curfew. Wolf . Very tense situation on the streets of louisville. Jason, thank you very much. Joining us now an attorney representing Breonna Taylors family. Thank you so much for joining us. I know this is a difficult, difficult day for you and the family. What is your reaction to the decision by the grand jury to not bring any charges directly related to the death of Breonna Taylor . My reaction is exactly what our statement said. This is offensive. Its egregious. There is sufficient evidence if the grand jury felt it sufficient that Brett Hankiso placed three neighbors in danger with his reckless behavior then they hood to have thought and found he also placed Breonna Taylor at risk with his reckless behavior. You cant separate the two. Breonna taylor was unarmed. We know that based on sergeant mattinglys own statement in which he said the female in the apartment was unarmed. So if he knew she was unarmed the other officers knew she was unarmed including officer cosgrove who Daniel Cameron has said his actions were justified. However, in kentucky it is clear that when using selfdefense you cannot it is not a justifiable defense when you put other people in harm of the person who you claim to be defending yourself against. You heard the attorney general, cameron, say the officers were justified in firing their weapons because Breonna Taylors boyfriend Kenneth Walker actually shot first. He fired the first shot and injured one of the Police Officers. What is your response to that . My response to that is he needs to continue to research the law on selfdefense in kentucky. You cannot defend yourself such that you put other innocent persons at risk. Breonna taylor was unarmed, an innocent person that night. She should not have been fired upon and not after she was already down. I know Daniel Cameron spoke of the fatal shot. Breonna taylor was struck six times. It did not take six times to shoot an unarmed woman. They were not entitled to selfdefense. They were not justified under selfdefense in this case. He needs to do a little more research on the full scope of selfdefense in kentucky. The attorney general also says that the investigation revealed that the Police Officers did knock and did announce their presence before they decided to breach the door. The attorney general says an independent witness actually can back that up. But that is not what we heard from Kenneth Walker who told the 911 dispatcher i dont know what happened. Someone kicked in the door and shot my girlfriend. We also heard from walkers attorney in the last hour here in the situation room that other witnesses did not hear the Police Officers identified themselves. Do you have any more information about why those accounts are so different . I take attorney general Daniel Camerons one independent witness and raise him nearly a dozen neighbors who say Police Officers did not announce themselves. This is a situation where the prosecutor presented the case to the grand jury, took as fact the statement of the Police Officers when that decision should have been made by a jury at trial not in the grand jury process. There is conflicting evidence. The conflicting evidence that nearly a dozen plus neighbors said the officers did not announce themselves along side Kenneth Walker who says the officers and he always maintained as you said since the 911 call that they did not announce themselves. I do also want to point out i find it ironic that they charged for three counts of wanton endangerment for the neighbors that live on the back side of breonna but they failed to indict for wanton endangerment for the neighbors who lived upstairs from breonna because officer gunfire also went into that apartment, nearly striking the members of that black family in the household above Breonna Taylor. So where is their justice and their indictment for wanton endangerment just like were missing breonnas indictments. The city of louisville last week did award Breonna Taylors 12 million. Isnt that an admission of wrongdoing on the part of the police in louisville . I do want to distinguish the civil liability and the criminal liability. I still think these officers should have been indicted. But the civil litigation, the burdens of proof were different. The elements were different. So the 12 million was justified. We were denied justice today and my hope is that the fbi brings the justice we were denied here today when their investigation concludes. We know the fbi is continuing their own investigation. Lonita baker, thank you so much for joining us and pass along our love to Breonna Taylors family. Thanks for joining us. All right. Thank you. Lets bring in our senior legal analyst and our cnn political commentator van jones. Laura, let me start with your reaction to what the Kentucky Attorney general explained why the two Police Officers were in his view, the view of the grand jury actually justified in firing their weapons during this operation. Listen to this. Well, there are six possible homicide charges under kentucky law. These charges are not applicable to the facts before us because our investigations show and the grand jury agreed that mattingly and cosgrove were justified in the return of deadly fire after having been fired upon by Kenneth Walker. Let me state that again. According to kentucky law, the use of force by mattingly and cosgrove was justified to protect themselves. This justification bars us from pursuing criminal charges in miss Breonna Taylors death. Based on your analysis of the evidence that we know right now, would it have been possible for the attorney general to actually bring homicide charges against these Police Officers . It could have been possible but for the benefit of the doubt that he is extending. Of course what we have to see here is the full evaluation of what went into assessing whether the officers used the reasonable amount of force. We dont have a full fleshing out of the details here as to whether there was a balanced response to what happened. We know there was one shot fired toward the officers. And dozens returned i believe more than a dozen returned by the officers. The question is going to be and could be for a grand jury who was listening to this case, well at what point did the officers exceed whatever use of force may have been justified when their lives were in danger . Is it acceptable to have an unlimited use of force or is it enough to neutralize the threat . Did they act outside of the scope of that . Without the full fleshing out of the details we have a bald assertion here that somehow they were justified. That blanket assertion actually needs to be looked at more fully to understand fully whether officers in this case should have gotten the full benefit of the doubt under the law in kentucky. You know, van, the attorney general Daniel Cameron of kentucky acknowledged that this was a tragedy but said the criminal Justice System sometimes isnt in his word adequate to address situations like this. What did you make of those remarks . Well, what i say is that when these young people are out here marching and protesting, and saying the system is completely broken, this is what they are talking about. Bad policy, bad policing, and bad prosecution. The policy of no knock, itself, is completely insane policy that should be used almost never. Its been used 50,000 times a year. It is a complete contempt for life and you know it is only going to be used against certain communities. You dont wake up in the middle of the night, wolf, thinking maybe the police will kick in your door. You know for sure if they had a problem with you theyd call, ring the door bell, whatever they could. Many americans dont have that assurance. Bad policing. It is not just that they sprayed bullets everywhere. They didnt even guff hive her medical assistance for 20 minutes. That is reckless. Thats criminal. Bad prosecution. There is enough evidence that the Police Officers themselves were covering up stuff, committing crimes in the process that they could have been charged for any number of things. This is why you have a generation in the streets and not just black. White and every other color. And so when you have bad policy, bad policing, and now a bad prosecution, or no prosecution of a blatant murder of a black woman in her bed doing nothing, do not be surprised when you have a generation beginning to give up on our system. How difficult, laura, would it be if they had filed homicide charges against the Police Officers to get a conviction knowing what you know how duff difficult it usually is especially when Breonna Taylors boyfriend fired the first shot and injured one of the Police Officers . Well, first of all, every conviction is impossible if the prosecutors are not onboard. The prosecutors are the most fervent persuaders we have in this nation. So if they wanted to try to pursue a prosecution they could certainly do so. Having said that, there are a lot of hurdles in place, namely the benefit of the doubt that jurors give to Police Officers and that were codified by the Supreme Court which essentially says well view the reasonableness of an officers use of force through the eyes of an officer not what you and i would do but an officer which really invites the blue code of silence and also the support of saying, having them do what they want. They also have a blueprint. The officer hankison, it was actually said it was a wanton disregard for human life. That tracks the language of the criminal code in kentucky to demonstrate if you were engaged in behavior that is a wanton disregard and results in the loss of life, there is prosecution that could be readily available to you. The other officers as well. Remember, it wasnt any reasonableness force evaluation is more better in touch with the person who fired the bullet. That would be Kenneth Walker. Breonna taylor is the one who died and she did not hold the gun, did not shoot at the officers. What theyve really done is relegated her to some form of Collateral Damage and we know in our society there are ways to protect and prosecute those who are the victims of violence but if the prosecutors are not onboard to do so it would be impossible. But a prosecutor who was truly trying to understand the evidence and really wanted to have accountability for the life of somebody who is lost, they could have done more. Well see what the fbi does. Theyre continuing their own investigation. Guys, thank you very, very much. Just ahead a new warning that most americans are still very much susceptible to the coronavirus right now as we head into a rather risky period of the pandemic. Ill speak with the director of the National Institute for health about a new move, several new moves toward a vaccine, and new promises that it will be safe. Well be right back. Stark reminders of the urgent danger from the coronavirus as the u. S. Death toll rises even higher above the 200,000 mark. A Top Health Official is warning 90 of the people in the United States remain very much susceptible. Joining us now the director of the National Institutes of health dr. Francis collins. Thank you so much for joining us and thanks for everything you guys are doing over there. As you heard today in the testimony up on capitol hill the head of the fda testified that they wont authorize or approve any vaccine until they feel safe giving it to their own families. Do you want to see the fda enact tougher standards to build public trust like requiring for example more time to monitor people who have been vaccinated in these trials . What is your analysis . Let me echo what you just started saying in terms of the terrible tragedy of the 200,000 people who have lost their lives and how much we want to try to put that kind of terrible death and destruction behind us. We got a ways to go. I totally am with the fda. And theyre putting forward the highest possible standards for safety and efficacy of the new vaccines being tested right now in phase three including one that just started today which were pretty excited about. We do not want the public to trust that these are something theyd want to endorse or roll up their sleeves for without having that data. That is why these are some of the largest phase three trials ever run and why they also are looking very carefully to be sure theyre safe. And i think fda is on a very good path right now and they are determined to stick to that as you heard in the hearing today from dr. Hahn. We wanted, all of us want a vaccine as quickly as possible. We want to make sure it is safe and no very serious side effects not just for adults but for children, elderly people, and people who have Underlying Health conditions. Everybody has to trust this vaccine as you know the nih announced the launch of another phase three trial of the, what is called the jansen Coronavirus Vaccine today. This is the fourth phase three trial but the first of the vaccines that could be given in a single dose. You get one shot and thats it. The other ones you got to get one shot and a month later a second shot. How significant potentially is this . Quite significant. This is a vector that has been successfully used for other Infectious Diseases including ebola. It is a Company Johnson johnson that has decades of experience in this space and it is a single dose which all of the other phase three trials require two doses separated by three or four weeks. Obviously for logistical reasons it is a lot easier to give one dose. The other thing about this particular vaccine if it turns out to be safe and effective is that it is fairly easy to transport. You dont have to have it at ridiculously low temperatures like minus 70 degrees. This will manage pretty well as just a refrigerator kind of temperature and that can make a big difference in terms of distribution if we get to that point. For many reasons we are excited about this one but also the others. There will be other phase 3 vaccines started in the next month or month and a half. This has never been done before. Operation warp speed supporting this with taxpayer money is responsible for the fact that this trial started today in phase three. Initially we were just going to be at phase one for Johnson Johnson in september and because of the support and all the logistics and frankly the Financial Support from warp speed they were able to speed that up very substantially and that is impressive work. Dr. Fauci testified a large portion of the country wont be vaccinated this year. If you can hold on for a moment the president is beginning to answer reporters questions. I want to listen in and then well continue our conversation. In many cities across this country, red and your socalled red and blue states. Will you commit to making sure there is a peaceful transferral of power after the election . Well have to see what happens. You know that. Ive been complaining very strongly about the ballots and the ballots are a disaster i understand that but people are rioting. Do you commit to making sure there is a peaceful transfer of power . Get rid of the ballots and well have a very peaceful there wont be a transfer frankly. There will be a continuation. The ballots are out of control. You know it. And you know who knows it better than anybody else . The democrats know it better than anybody else. Go ahead. Mr. President , the second question is will you please go ahead. You asked a question. Mr. President , do you say it. Do you plan to meet with b h Barbara Lagoa at the white house . I cannot hear you through your mask. Im sorry do you plan to meet with Barbara Lagoa is on my lis. I dont have a meeting planned but she is on my list. I speak to people. I talk to people. But i dont have a meeting planned. Do you have a response to the governor of missouri testing positive for coronavirus . I didnt know that. No. Mr. President , we asked you earlier today about the Breonna Taylor case . Yes. Could you comment now . I assume youve been briefed on the charges i thought it was really brilliant, Kentucky Attorney general Daniel Cameron is doing a fantastic job. I think he is a star. He made a statement that ill just read. Justice is not often easy. It does not fit the mold of Public Opinion and it does not conform to shifting standards. It answers only to the facts and to the law. If we simply act on emotion or outrage there is no justice. Mob justice is not justice. Justice sought by violence is not justice. It just becomes revenge. I heard that. I said write that down for me please because i think it was a terrific statement. Hes handling it very well. You know who he is. I think everyone now knows who he is. I will be speaking to the governor and we have a call scheduled shortly with the governor. I understand he has called up the National Guard which i think is a very positive thing and itll all work out. Just following on your Supreme Court nomination it is highly unlikely any democrats will vote for your nominee. If and when it comes to a vote in the senate given the posture. It will be a good candidate. But on that point, would you want to nominate someone who in their confirmation to the Appellate Court received broad bipartisan support or would you be more inclined to put forward somebody whose confirmation fell along party lines . I cant tell you whats going to happen with the democrats. I can say this. The person that i will be putting up, i wont say that ive even chosen that person yet, i could say any one of the five. Theyre outstanding women. The person ill be putting up is highly qualified, totally brilliant, top of the line academic student. The highest credentials. All of them have that. But the highest credentials. Youll see on saturday who that is. I cant imagine why a democrat wouldnt vote for this person. Mr. President. Yeah please go ahead. Thank you very much. Not you. Go ahead. Thank you mr. President. Prince harry and Meghan Markle chimed in on the election and essentially encouraged people to vote for joe biden. Let me get your reaction to that . I am not a fan of hers and i would say this. And she probably has heard that. But i wish a lot of luck to harry. Because he is going to need it. Mr. President , the fda is reportedly considering stricter guidelines for the emergency authorization of a covid vaccine. Are you okay with that . Well, i tell you what. Were looking at that. It has to be approved by the white house. We may or may not approve it. That sounds like a political move. When you have pfizer, Johnson Johnson, moderna, these Great Companies coming up with the vaccines and theyve done testing and Everything Else why would they have to be adding great length to the process . We want to have people not get sick. The vaccine is very important. It is the final step i believe it is going to be the final step. And were looking at that but i think that was a political move more than anything else. On that, sir, it is designed to improve trust in the vaccine. Do you think that is not needed . I have tremendous trust in these Massive Companies that are so brilliantly organized in terms of what theyve been doing with the tests. I mean, i dont know that a government as big as we are could do tests like this. Weve made it possible for them to do the tests in rapid fashion. But when they come back and they say that we have something that works and absolutely works and theyre coming back with great numbers and statistics and tests and Everything Else that they have to come back with, i dont see any reason why it should be delayed further because if they delay it a week or two weeks or three weeks, you know, that is a lot of lives youre talking about. Scott, would you agree with that . How do you feel about that . Thanks. There is no i think that people dont understand what is going on with operation warp speed. Its unprecedented whats happened here. A typical vaccine takes roughly four years or so. And now were going to have a vaccine highly likely in far less than one year. But without cutting any safety corners because the president has done things to the manufacturing of the vaccine, manufacturing, logistics, everything at the same time and thats never been done before. There is zero cutting of safety concerns. There should be no hesitation about the safety. You shouldnt be punished by doing something faster than other people could have done or thought. Its the opposite. We have a pandemic. The urgency is the pandemic. Not politics. Are you extremely political. Why would they do this when we come back with these Great Results . When do you expect why would we be delaying it . Well look at it, and ultimately the white house has to approve it. Maybe we will and maybe we wont but well be taking a look. I have to leave for an emergency phone call. Im going to let scott and larry finish. Mr. President mr. President so ill be back. I will see you tomorrow. A big day. One more question on Breonna Taylor. We are in a time right now where americans feel like we are on mr. President . I have to go. One more question if i can on Breonna Taylor. People are protesting in the streets. What is your message to them . People feel like we are on this carousel where another black life that was abrupt. The president says he has an emergency phone call he has to make. Left it in the hands of dr. Scott atlas who has been helping him on the Coronavirus Task force but he made some significant news there. He said it is up to the white house to approve a vaccine. He said i dont see any reason why the food and Drug Administration should delay it any further. It sounds he says like some sort of political maneuver that theyre taking, dr. Sanjay gupta is with us. Sanjay, that was pretty surprising. Maybe not surprising necessarily coming from the president. That he is saying that it looks like the fda is engaged in politics right now as opposed to finding a safe and effective vaccine that the American Public can trust. Hold on a second. We got to get your audio can you hear me wolf . Now i hear you. Start from the beginning. You heard my question. I was listening to the press conference as well, wolf. Not quite sure what to make of that. I heard the president say that the white house may i guess overrule or whatever the decision by the fda to approve this vaccine. They cant do that. There is a whole process in place. I shouldnt say they cant do that. Ive never heard of such a thing. It sounds fairly preposterous the white house obviously theyre not the data scientists. Theyre not in the business of looking at this sort of data and making nie making these decisions. I think what this is stemming from is the fda signaled they want a certain amount of time after the shots, the phase three shots are all in to these volunteers. They want to wait around two months to basically determine that no side effects develop in the participants in this vaccine trial. I know they got that sort of time frame because that is typically from the fdas own data base what most when most side effects occur. What weve heard from the fda is we want to wait at least that long. Well continue to monitor these volunteers, the participants in the trial, but they want to wait at least two months which would take it to late november early december at the earliest really in terms of a possible authorization. Again, this is an authorization not an approval. An emergency use authorization. But i dont know if the president was just riffing there or if he was being serious they would actually overrule the fda in terms of making, authorizing this vaccine. I wont say they cant do that. Ive never heard of such a thing. This is squarely under the domain of the fda. There is a data mining safety board that presents the data but then the fda is responsible for the authorization or approval. Stand by for a moment. I want to bring in jim acosta our chief White House Correspondent into this. I was pretty surprised to hear the president make the statement i dont see any reason to delay it further. He has been saying for weeks he would like to see a vaccine and thinks it will be by november 3rd election day here in the United States and the other day the fda said theyre going through some extensive testing to make sure the American Public is confident in this vaccine. It could delay it through november or december or even to early next year. The president clearly, jim, is not very happy with that. He says, there may be politics at play as far as the fda is concerned. Have you heard the president say that before . I havent heard the president say that before, wolf, but he is echoing what some of his trump world advisers have said, echoing quite frankly what Michael Caputo said the top spokesman at hhs who recently took a leave of absence after accusing government scientists over at the cdc of sedition. He has made similar claims about fda scientists, suggesting that perhaps theyre working against the president. So the president appears to be infected by some of these comments and some of these sentiments. I will say, wolf, on the subject of a vaccine approval process dr. Anthony fauci and many of the other Top Administration Health Experts have said that that process is going to be removed from politics. The reason why it is removed from politics as sanjay gupta has said so many times is you have to have National Confidence in a Coronavirus Vaccine. Otherwise, you wont have people lining up to get shots. If you dont have people lining up to get shots, it is just like these trump rallies where people dont want to wear masks. People are not going to be protected from the virus and the virus will continue to harm and kill people across this country. Let me get back to sanjay for a moment. Sanjay, we also heard one of the political appointees over at the department of health and Human Services suggest that there was a deep state working at the centers for Disease Control and prevention to block certain advances that were Going Forward to undermine the president s position and now were hearing the president suggest theres politics that play at the fda. Let me just get your reaction to these developments that are so worrisome in the face of the enormous amount of deaths that have occurred in the United States. It is really worrisome. Ive talked to several people at the cdc and the fda over the past several months now reporting the story. I mean, i think there has been concern that theres political pressure at both organizations and some of it has been very obvious, things being placed on the cdcs website without going through the scientific vetting process and then being retracted. Similar sort of thing at the fda sort of exaggerated data around convelescent plasma and the fda commissioner coming back and apologizing and walking back some of that. So if anything, it seems to sort of be this notion that theres a lot of pressure from the top coming down. To speed things up is one thing. A lot of people obviously want to move quickly. We are in the middle of a pandemic. But the idea of that information that is not scientifically based suddenly shows up on one of the most prestigious Scientific Organization websites in the world, the cdcs, was really worrisome to a lot of people who work there. The same thing at the fda. These are institutions that have been around for a long time. Theyve gone through the processes of approving lots of different therapeutics and vaccines in the past. There is a process here. What this seems to be about specifically this latest discussions that the fda has come back and said, and this is after lots of questions about what is the protocol for this authorization if it occurs, what is it going to be . The thing they came back and said is, look. We have to have a certain amount of time where we can be confident the people getting these shots arent getting side effects. We know what happened to this woman in the astrazeneca trial, wolf in her mid 30s developing some weakness of her limbs for a period of time. That is concerning. Obviously its rare. But if youre giving a vaccine to a hundred Million People and something is a 0. 1 side effect that is 100,000 people. Thats what the safety protocols are all about. Dr. Francis collins the head of the nih, National Institutes of health, is still with us. You heard what the president said and for those who are just tuning in he is suggesting the fda, there may be politics at play, they may try to a delay approval of a vaccine for the coronavirus. Then the president said ultimately its the white house that has to make this decision that the white house has to approve this. Let me get your reaction to what we heard from the president , because ive known you for a long time. Youve been intimately, deeply involved in all of this for years and years. Have you ever heard anything like this before from a president of the United States accusing the fda of playing politics on a lifeanddeath issue of a safe and effective vaccine . Well, let me say i am disheartened that once again in a time of Great National crisis and people dying from this disease that somehow we seem to be all focused on the divisions and the things where people cant seem to agree and everything becomes political. Im a scientist. Im a physician. I want to see something done that is going to save lives. I think the fda signaled sometime ago they were going to issue some Additional Guidance about what the safety guidance ought to be for these phase three trials. They previously said what the efficacy limit had to be. It had to be at least 50 effective but they hadnt laid out what the safety guidelines would be. Theyve kind of gone with tradition here, this idea that youre going to ask for two months of data on at least half of the people in the trial before you decide that youve got a good bit of data about safety. That is not a new idea. And so putting that forward at this point was not a big surprise although they have not formally issued that. I guess it kind of came out into the open in the last 24 hours as something that they were drafting and considering. My concern is let me interrupt for a moment. Does the white house as opposed to the fda have final word on approval of a vaccine . I am not a lawyer or a constitutional scholar. I actually dont know the answer to that. I guess sanjay didnt either. But certainly the fda with the agency that has the experience and the scientific expertise is in the best position to judge these issues about safety and efficacy. And certainly the public is looking at that. We already have a problem in this country where a lot of people are worried about whether this vaccine is going to be something they want to take. The last thing we need to do is create another cloud of uncertainty about whether this is being done appropriately so that we can reassure people this is something theyd want to take advantage of. We have to make sure, dr. Collins, that this vaccine, and there are six potential vaccines that are being tested right now, various phases, we have to make sure it is safe for adults, little kids, children. Safe for the elderly, safe for people with underlying conditions like diabetes for example or health or heart conditions. It has to be safe and there has to be confidence that it works. And the American Public is going to be nervous if they see politics at play right now, right . That has already caused some concern on the part of the public and wed really like to get that settled by laying out very clear standards. By the way it should be noticed that the ceos of all the companies that are producing these vaccines have already come out themselves and said, theyre not going to push something forward they dont think is safe and effective. I noticed in the Johnson Johnson vaccine that was announced today that in their protocol they include this idea theyre not going to ask for approval until they have 60 das of follow up of half the study. Theyve already incorporated that part of the safety standard into their protocol. They are already there. The president made it clear just now he is not very happy with the twomonth review process. He wants it out there by november 3rd. Hes made that clear many times. Dr. Collins, stand by. Gloria borger is with us as well. The other headline i heard from what the president said at first questioned about a peaceful transfer of power after the november 3rd elections or whenever all the ballots are counted it could take a few days maybe even a few weeks after november 3rd. What the president said on this was pretty worrisome, too, because i didnt hear him specifically state that he wants to see a, quote, peaceful transfer of power. What did you hear . Well, the same thing. I mean, he was asked twice about it would he commit to a peaceful transfer of power . Obviously transfer implies joe biden would win. And his answer was, were going to have to see what happens. And then after that, he said, if you get rid of the ballots, there wont need to be a transfer. In other words if you get rid of the ballots that he doesnt like, the mailin ballots, millions of ballots that he seems to be saying are going to be illegal, if you get rid of them then he would win. But its kind of stunning that a president of the United States from the podium at the white house is unwilling to commit to a peaceful transfer of power should he lose the election. Thats kind of quite remarkable to me, wolf. You know, gloria, this is all so worrisome because, because of the coronavirus a lot of americans wont want to show up at the polling places on november 3rd with people waiting in line especially the elderly and people with Underlying Health conditions they want to vote by mail and perhaps drop off their ballots in some containers where it will go to the polling places. They are very nervous about this right now but the president is not very happy that millions and millions of americans want to vote by mail. Right. So he is effectively saying the election is illegitimate unless he wins. And what he said yesterday along the same lines was also quite stunning, wolf, because he effectively admitted that one of the reasons he wants the Supreme Court nominee confirmed very quickly is that it might have to go to the court, some of these state ballots and he implied then that he assumes that because he would get a nominee that nominee would vote in the way that he wanted. Therefore, he would want to stack the Supreme Court so if this goes to the court that he could win through the courts. So, you know, he wouldnt talk about a peaceful transfer of power. Yesterday he talked about having an extra seat on the court. Having a seat on the court so if he went there he could win. I mean, this is somebody who is plotting every potential way to win and none of it sounds very president ial. And he is going to announce his Supreme Court nominee saturday at 5 00 p. M. He says he has five candidates but looks like he has narrowed it down to one maybe two right now. Well see what happens. Right. Dr. Collins of nih before i let you go and i know you got to run, youve been very patient with your time, if the president , this is a hypothetical, it is a worrisome question, if the president were to override the fda when it comes to approving some sort of Coronavirus Vaccine, what if anything could be done about that . I know youre not a lawyer, not a politician. If it happens, that would be so, so wore shm. Well, the person at the fda who oversees this decision who is the career person who already said he would resign if Something Like that happened, it would certainly lead to an enormous response. Again, im an optimist. I figure this will somehow sort itself out. The goal is to try to be sure the public has confidence in this vaccine or these vaccines. Meanwhile, theres a lot of storm going on right now because were in the silly season right before an election and tonight is a good example of that. Yeah. As usual, dr. Collins, were grateful to you for everything you do and grateful for everything nih does. You guys have done a really life saving work for so many years. Thanks so much for joining us. Sure. Wear your mask and get your flu shot. Wear your mask. So critical. And ill get ready to get a flu shot. You are absolutely right. Thank you, as dr. Fauci said, getting a regular flu shot this year may be more important than ever because of the coronavirus. Daniel dale our cnn reporter and fact checker was listening as closely as anyone to what we heard from the president. Always anxious to get your analysis of what we heard. Reporter just a few items today, wolf because it was short. As gloria said trumps insinuation about mail ballots is basically nonsense. Mail voting has proven to be safe, reliable, not rife with fraud whether talking about socalled absentee ballots or what trump calls unsolicited ballots sent to all registered voters in certain states. It is all safe, not rife with fraud. Number two he keeps accusing biden of having antiscience approach to the pandemic and never explains what he means possibly because he cannot. Joe biden has repeatedly emphasized what he thinks is the importance of listening to scientists in responding to the pandemic. Number three, the president keeps boasting about increases in economic numbers over the past four months without acknowledging the hole were in from the previous two months. One number he cited repeatedly over the past couple weeks is 10. 6 million job gain over the last four months. He says that is a record and that is true but before that in march and april we had a larger record of 22 million. 22. 2 million jobs lost. Were still down more than 11. 5 million jobs since march even with this 10. 6 million increase. More than 900 americans by the way died just yesterday United States. Daniel dale, thank you very much. Right now i want to go back to the breaking news out of louisville, kentucky, protesters on the streets and outraged after officers were failed. Martin, thank you so much for joining us. Im anxious to get your thoughts. What does it say to you that the only charges brought by the attorney general and grand jury in kentucky werent even directly related to the deaths of Breonna Taylor but rather bullets fired into adjacent apartments without harming anyone. What do you think of all this . I think it continues to reinforce to many in the Africanamerican Community that the system we call the system of justice does not work for africanamericans. And in this context specifically, an africanamerican woman. It almost is beyond unconscionable. It is a very, very sad day when you cannot find some level of justice. And i think that the nation must continue to come together. Almost the system itself has got to be reformed. The system may be worked for the system, but it is not working for black people and black women specifically at this particular moment. 26yearold emt who was shot and killed. Whats your message, martin, to all the people who are in the streets on the streets right now who are so heart broken and are so angry over what happened today . Were looking at live pictures coming in. You know, my message is, we can never give up, never give out, or never give in. Part of that is john lewis. Part of that is my father. We have to always stay vigilant. And ultimately, there is a time where we will prevail. We did not prevail today. Tragically, this has happened over and over again. But we can never ever give up. I think about the millions of black families that are sitting down with their children today, particularly girls, having to say, you do matter, even though it feels in this context you dont. You do matter. Dad used to say we have to have a tough but tender mind. We have to be tough, which means we have to keep working. Voting is part of it, but maybe theres more that has to happen. In fact, finally there may be a scenario where some economic withdrawal might need to take place on a national level. Well, you know, i want to get your thoughts, martin, on something the Kentucky Attorney general, Daniel Cameron, said at todays announcement. Listen to this. We must also remember the facts and the collection of evidence in this case are different than cases elsewhere in the country. Each is unique and cannot be compared. There will be celebrities, influencers and activists who have never lived in kentucky will try to tell us how to feel, suggesting they understand the facts of this case and that they know our community and the commonwealth better than we do. But they dont. At the News Conference you just heard, martin, the president strongly praised the Kentucky Attorney general who spoke at the Republican National convention here in washington, by saying hes doing exactly the right thing. I think hes doing a great job. Hes a super star. Im paraphrasing what the president had to say. And he says hes going to be speaking to the Kentucky Governor soon. Whats your reaction to what we heard from the attorney general and what we heard from the president . Well, i certainly believe that because he did speak at the convention and im not saying that anyone does not have that right, but it certainly took him out of being objective to obviously supporting the nominee of his party. And so, i think that this says and kwlyes, i heard the statement about people may not understand kentucky. But people do understand the loss of a human life, a female in this context, when justice has not been served. There is no justice in this there is not justice yet, i should say, because we dont know. The fbi is still doing an investigation. But thus far theres been no justice. Its just very sad that in 2020 were still going through some of the same things that happened years ago. The fact that you can just knock down a door and go in and shoot someone is unconscionable. And we again, i think the system has to be addressed, meaning the system must be broken down. And that means creating a new and better system that works for all people. What would your father, dr. Martin luther king, jr. , martin, say if he were with us today and were sad hes not with us today. If he were with us today, what would be his message to those angry folks on the street of louisville right now who are so upset over this decision by the grand jury and the Kentucky Attorney general . I i dont know that any of us can say what he would say, but i know that he would think and understand the anger because we many of us are angry and frustrated. But we have to find ways to transform that anger into something transformational that brings about change. Thats why, you know, in 1955, there was a boycott for 381 days where people didnt ride buses. This is different because its about a human life that cannot be replaced. But justice can occur. So, you know, when you think about the fact that black people spend a trillion dollars in this economy, over a trillion last year, and if black people decided that maybe we need to stop spending our money in this economy, then maybe the system can be restructured appropriately and justice can be served for all people. Is that something, martin, youre proposing, that you support, some sort of huge economic boycott, if you will . I have certainly heard discussions about it. I think that that is a very real and viable option that could happen. I am not saying i am calling for that. I am saying that im hearing all of these discussions today. And there may be an effort of a number of people coming together and say, you know, look, this is something we must do because that is one of the nonviolent actions that probably will create changes in this nation. So, what do you think what else do you think potentially could come next for the black lives Matter Movement here in the United States in the wake of this decision in kentucky with so many folks, and you can see them on the streets of louisville right now, so deeply disappointed . Well, the biggest thing is, you know, youve got the george floyd policing act thats sitting at the desk of Mitch Mcconnell, and he refuses to hear that. And the john lewis voter restoration act thats sitting there as well that the senate refuses to pass. The house passed, but Mitch Mcconnell wont allow it. Therefore, the people in kentucky must mobilize and decide to vote for others. But that also means all the way through the ballot. I mean, there are some who are saying that the attorney general, when hes up for election, may not need to be reinstated or reelected. And i think that those are some of the things that have to happen. But its not just a political solution. Again, i said this is a structural this is around the policies, even the policy around law and Law Enforcement because Everyone Wants Law Enforcement that works, and Law Enforcement is not working in communities of color. And in this context as it relates to black women. Martin luther king iii, martin, as usual, thanks so much for joining us on this very important day. Appreciate it very much. Thank you. Tonight we also remember Justice Ruth Bader ginsburg, as she returns to the u. S. Supreme court, this time for the final time. More than 100 of her former law clerks gathered to honor the late justice as her casket arrived at the high court this morning. Also paying their respects former president bill clinton who nominated Justice Ginsburg to the Supreme Court, and former secretary of state hillary clinton. At the ceremony earlier toda the chief Justice John Roberts celebrated the life and legacy of his late colleague. The voice in court and in our Conference Room was soft, but when she spoke, people listened. Tough, brave, a fighter, a winner, but also thoughtful, careful, compassionate, honest. She will live on in what she did to improve the law and the lives of all of us. And yet, still, ruth is gone, and we grieve. We certainly do. We all grieve. These are live pictures as members of the public gather to say goodbye to Justice Ginsburg. Our deepest condolences to her family. May she rest in peace and may her memory be a blessing. Thanks very much for watching. Erin burneerin burnett outfron erin burneerin burnett outfron right now. Captions by vitac www. Vitac. Com outfront next, protests growing after not a single officer was charged with the death of Breonna Taylor. Armed militia groups are now taking to the streets. The president refusing to commit to a peaceful transfer of power after election day in this Stunning Development tonight. And senator Chuck Schumer will respond right here. Also dr. Deborah birx, once a staple of Coronavirus Task force, now distressed, questioning how much longer she can stay. Shes been replaced by the controversial doctor scott atlas. Lets go outfront. Good evening. Im erin burnett. Outfront tonight, the breaking
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