Were not searching for a needle in a haystack, were still trying to define where the haystack is. Thats how australias defense minister describes the search for flight 370 in the remote indian ocean. Want to bring you cnns saima mohsin from kuala lumpur and will riply in perth where planes are getting ready to take off, we hope. Saima, first to you. What can you tell us about this socalled International Working group, a group that the malaysian government is now forming to help narrow the search area . Whats involved here . Reporter well, wolf, that still remains a mystery. Thats all theyve told us so far. As you know, we get very Little Information in these press conferences, which is amounting to a lot of frustration for a lot of people, including us trying to report this story. And, of course, more importantly, the families that are involved in this. Now, what we know is that this working group will be heavily reliant on the data that particularly countries like the United States and the United Kingdom can offer. We know that they relied on the United Kingdoms inmarsat satellite data, the doppler effect that looked at the frequency and velocity of the aircraft to work out that it did likely end its journey in the southern indian ocean. Which is why they decided to go and announce that they believe all hope was lost in finding mh370 and those on board alive. Wolf . Saima, you know that malaysian authorities, Malaysia Airlines, malaysian government, the Prime Minister, theyve come under enormous fire of criticism for saying that the plane went down in the indian ocean, no hope left for the passengers. Based solely on new and revised satellite data, mathematical calculations from inmarsat. And maybe other sources. But they have no hard evidence, no wreckage from the plane, certainly no bodies. How are they responding in kuala lumpur to the criticism being leveled at the malaysian government . Reporter yeah, wolf, a lot of criticism leveled at them. And a mixture of emotions reflected in todays press conferences. All the denial of anger, of sorrow and sadness. And calls at one point, wolf, for the ceo and chairman to resign, people questioning, will you now resign. And they said, well, thats a private matter. Right now were trying to deal with this crisis situation. It still is a crisis situation for this country and Malaysia Airlines. Particularly the problem is, wolf, as you say, we dont know how and we dont know why Malaysia Airlines flight mh370 didnt make its destination for beijing. In fact, went completely in the opposite direction. Ending up in the southern indian ocean. One of the remotest parts of the world. And they have very little answers for us. And little or no concrete evidence, solely this data that you refer to. So the families say they want to see something solid. They want to see debris, or they want to know where their loved ones are, wolf. And Malaysia Airlines said they were sorry they havent got anything yet, but they are doing their best to try and do that and work with all these countries around the world to get them the answers they so desperately need. Maybe they should have held off making that definitive statement yesterday. Saima, thanks very much. A few hours from now, the search for wreckage from flight 370 is set to resume off the coast of australia. Will riply joining us from the scene. I understand you have some new information. Its a little after 1 00 a. M. Wednesday already over there. How big of an area are they trying to search . Are we certain these planes will take off in a few hours . Reporter thats the latest we know right now. Planes will be taking off about five hours from now at 6 00 a. M. Local time, and the search area about a fourth of the size of what it was at its largest point. But its still a huge area, wolf, about the size of mexico or twoandahalf times the size of texas. And this is over the southern indian ocean, about 1,500 miles from where im standing now. Were talking about an area where there are waves several stories high. I was flying out there in a p3 owe wry on and we saw weather conditions change in an instant. Great visibility and then the clouds can roll in, the rain comes down and you can see almost nothing. If this is an area where you dont want to find a plane, well, unfortunately, this is the area that were talking about. Its very easy to get lost, and its easy for the debris to get pushed around, as well. Will, how are they trying i assume theyre still trying to narrow this search area. Its still pretty large. Reporter its very large. Australian officials are saying, as you mentioned, they are trying to reduce the size of this search area. We have the satellite data from australia, china and france, pinpointing an area they want to focus at specifically. We have those two flights that flew where they actually spotted debris. So theyre going to that area. As we have seen, even if you spot debris once, its a challenge when you go back out to that area. You dont find it again. And thats what crews are running into. Thats whats making this so difficult. Will ripley in perth, we will check back and see if the planes take off in a few hours. So where is the proof . Thats what families of flight 370 passengers are asking after malaysias announcement that the plane and everyone on board went down in the indian ocean. The conclusion with no hard evidence to support it. A conclusion malaysia may have thought would bring some closure, but seems to have done anything but. Heres cnns pauline chu in beijing. Reporter this morning, outrage and fury, as relatives face off with Police Outside the Malaysian Embassy in beijing. Over 300 chinese friends and family members of flight 370 protesting. From the beginning, they just hype everything. And i dont think that this kind of government, a liar and even a murderer, can solve anything. Reporter following mondays dire announcement by malaysias Prime Minister. Flight mh370 ended in the southern indian ocean. Reporter frustrated by malaysias handing of the incident, they descend on food, marching over two miles after police prevented them from taking buses and blocked the embassy once they arrived. Furious and skeptical of malaysias investigation, some chinese family members released a statement, reading in part, the malaysian government and the malaysian military continue putting off, holding back and covering up the truth of the incident. As well as trying to deceive the families of passengers and people of the entire world. I dont know why. I just want to see some at the brie debris of the aircraft and the black box to know what happened. 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Lets bring in our panel of experts, mark weise an aviation analyst, former 777 pilot for American Airlines and peter goelz and tom fuentes, Law Enforcement analyst, former assistant director of the fbi. Peter, the Australian Defense minister was very blunt. He said theyre not looking for a needle in a haystack. Theyre looking for the haystack right now. They cant even find the haystack, which three weeks in is so depressing. It is depressing. But i think its reality. And i think we have tried to indicate that, that this was never a matter of days or even weeks. Its going to be a matter of months and years. And i think that everyone involved on the ground there ought to be knowledgeable about not raising expectations. You know, every piece of junk floating in the ocean isnt a possible, you know, piece of evidence. Because theres a lot of junk. Theres a lot of stuff. Its been moved around by the currents and waves and whatever. And people get their expectations up. The family members are tortured by it. We need to just get into the hard grind of searching for this. Its interesting. There is some suspicion out there, and i want you to weigh in, mark. Youre a 777 pilot. That the for whatever reason, the crew may have been deliberately trying to evade certain radar, thai radar, indonesian radar, because they were making turns. The thais say they never saw the plane on their radar. The indonesians say they never saw the plane on their radar. Both of them may have missed it. But if you look at the map, and were showing whats going on, it sounds like maybe the crew was deliberately trying, if you believe the thai and the the thai radar experts and the indonesian radar experts, you may be convinced that the crew was deliberately trying to avoid radar. I think theres a lot of fantasy to Something Like that. I think if somebody wanted to deliberately avoid radar, i mean it looked as though they turned off the transponder. The acars stopped. I dont know that it was the crew. It could have been somebody else in the cockpit. It could have been one of the crew members. But i dont know that those actions were purposely taken to deliberately forestall the radar. So you dont necessarily buy that theory. What do you think of the way the malaysians over the past 24 hours have handled this . Because the Prime Minister comes out and says definitively, the plane is in the water. Malaysia Airlines Says the people are all dead. And today they say, well, you know, that was the best evidence we have. We cant theres no obviously no bodies. Theres no wreckage. What do you think of the way theyre handling this . I think it was very insensitive. We looked at this and why they would say that. And you have people, you know, screaming at officials in beijing and kuala lumpur that theres no debris. How do you know this for sure . Its based on a new mathematical calculation. And this is kind of Like High School math. If youve come up with a new answer, show us your work. Dont just say what the answer is. And you know, the chinese have a space program. They have some of the best mathematicians in the world. Let them show them some of your calculations or share it with them. Have some buyin from the other countries that have lost dozens of people in this event. You have done a lot of aviation accidents, peter. And you have you studied them. You have gone back. Have you ever seen a case where a country definitively makes an announcement like this without any wreckage or bodies, simply on mathematical and radar calculations, pings, handshakes, whatever . No. This has been poorly handled from the getgo. And had malaysia, the government, and the military, been committed to a more transparent process, as the treaty that they signed mandates, they would have been much better off. Because it wouldnt have just been the malaysian government saying this. It would have been the investigative team, which would have involved people, chinese investigators, american and brits. They have been behind the curve from the beginning. And yesterdays performance was simply designed to try and close out the family operations. Explain what you mean by that. A lot of folks are suggesting now, they just want to sweep it under the carpet and move on. They want the family members to go home. They do not want the family members at the hotels sitting there. That could go on indefinitely. They want the family members on the best case basis back with their own families in their own communities, in their own villages and towns, where they have support. But on a worst case basis, theyre tired of seeing the media focus on that. They want to shut these operations down. And mark, everything you have seen over the past 24 hours still convinces you, this is criminal, this was not mechanical. Im still leaning in that direction. 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Lets go to darington in Washington State. Bill weir on the scene for us. Is there still a lot of hope out there they will find survivors . Whats the latest, bill . Reporter well, it depends on who you talk to, wolf. Frankly. Were now about 72 hours since that huge chunk of mountain detached and came roaring into this valley. Were set up here in darington on the west side. Beautiful landscape here. Gorgeous cascades. But this has been sort of the one little Gathering Spot out in front of the darington iga where you see the banners, home made banners to pray for the 530 slide victims. Thats highway 530. First responders, thanks for everything. And the information, its really kind of sad, because there is not a lot to go on. A sheet of plywood with a map of the area. That was taken out so they know which properties were there. Now that big number that youve been reporting, we now know, of course, 14 fatalities. 176 unaccounted for. They think that number is going to come way down. 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