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Join the cspan conversation. Like us on facebook, follow us on twitter. Up next, a discussion on the issue of money in College Athletics. Panelists including sportswriters and University Officials discussed the profits made from sports programs compensation for student athletes and possible reforms at the ncaa. The big 12 conference hosted this event at the National Press club in washington. It is 1. 5 hours. Thank you for joining us today here in washington. The numbers in College Sports are staggering. That could easily be something we are talking in terms of points scored or yards gained or anyone one of a number of things measured quantitatively. Attendance participation and money. According to filings with the department of education, in 2011 , College Sports combined to generate more than 12. 6 billion dollars. The university of texas took in more than 165 million last year. Yesterday and is paying an excessive 600 million a year to televise the College Football playoffs. The price tag for the ncaa basketball tournament, time warner and cbs paid 10. 8 billion for a 14 year deal. Athletic departments at many schools operate in the red. A star player on the change of team that won the mens fastball tournament last year said some nights he goes to bed hungry. Where does the money go . There seems to be more of it than there ever has been before. Not everyone agrees that its distribution has been wise or equitable. Here with us today are a handful of men with significant knowledge and experience regarding the most visible sports in our culture and how they are run. Steve berkowitz is a sports project reporter for usa today. He is dedicated to compiling newspapers college of sports compensation and finance database. Patrick sandusky is the chief communications and Public Affairs officer for the United States olympic committee. He is a former College Athlete office of lineman at northern illinois. Krystal conti is the director of athletics at tcu. Steve patterson is the mens Athletic Director at the university of texas. He was previously in the same position at Arizona State. He spent two decades and professional sports. He was the general manager of the Houston Rockets and portland trail blazers. Pete is the Senior Writer for Sports Illustrated where he covers College Football and basketball. He previously worked for the New York Times where heis reporting was nominated for a pulitzer prize. The big 12 commissioner had planned to be here with us today but he is home recuperating from surgery. We want to wish him the best. All opinions expressed here today are expressly those of the panelists and do not represent the organizations with which they are associated. This is a time of tremendous of people in sports. Of people in sports. Northwestern Football Players should be allowed to form a union. The ncaa was founded in august to be in violation of antitrust law suit brought by the former ucla basketball player. That was only one day after the socalled big five athletic conference broke away from the rest of the ncaa. The common theme in all of these items is money. Why dont we start their. Lets start with the two men on the panel charged with responsibility of overseeing programs at universities. How does the commerce of College Sports change . I dont know if it has really changed much over the years. For a long time, schools have competed. It is part of the american culture. There have been movements to regulate that going back more than 100 years. What we see are greater facilities, larger coaching contracts, biggerstaff we had in the past. We want to provide the best Student Services we can to have the best outcomes for student athletes. I concur with steve. You look at it as the evolution of College Athletics from the time of the ncaa being formed to title ix is the greatest thing in College Athletics. It has created parity in football. Using think about the popularity of football today, you had a limited number of scholarships back in the day. The rise of florida state, organ, tcu baylor they have become relevant in the landscape of College Athletics today. The popularity of College Athletics is second to none. Yet, we are running a business based on peoples passion. For us, the evolution has changed, commerce has changed drastically. How we fund College Athletics has changed. What are we providing for our student athletes echo it is be on a handshake. It is a 50 year decision. The demands of winning and keeping a coach and providing opportunity for young people are ever greater. It is always evolving. What i really meant is giving what given what has happened in the past years, within the last few months, the prospect has changed. Do you foresee business being done any differently given the decision, the possibility that your model may change . A different question. One thing about college at, it is everchanging. Do i believe a student athlete should receive full compensation . I do. You think about the obannon case, that will put tremendous pressure on College Athletics. For us at tcu, getting to the big 12 conference has been great. This newfound money everyone things about that we have received we lessen our burden on the institution. We are part of an institution. Seven years ago, we had 7000 applicants for 1600 spots. The success of our Robotic Program and the rise of tcu going to the rose bowl ours are 20,000. How does that affect title ix . You cant say we are only going to provide opportunities for two sports. We have to do that. How do you do that . With to realize this is an opportunity for everybody and we are prepared to do that. You have spent a considerable amount of time coverage and covering College Sports and the numbers. How do you see the cost of attendance changing and affecting the way colleges and universities the business . It will be an interesting thing to see how colleges managed to do this. Whether or not this is going to be the kind of thing that perhaps better justifies institutional involvement in supporting College Athletics programs. The trend has been towards making Athletic Programs more selfsufficient. In a way, it seems to me that this is creating a perpetual motion machine that has resulted in increased pressure to increase revenue which has resulted in a situation where we have so much revenue being generated that the general public, people who are lawyers judges looking at this and going, well, there is so much money being generated here that something more needs to be done for the athletes. For the way they are participating the generation of that money. It is interesting questions as to how colleges want to deal with this, and what impact of that will be. We continued to further perpetuate this. Patrick, chris mention the impact on title ix. Scott was in here earlier, speaking about olympic sports, and i guess you could ask about the olympic sports, the nonrevenue sports. Title ix was the greatest thing to happen to College Athletics, and to the United States olympic team. If you go back and look at the womens games in the london games, they would have finished third in the medal count just by the women alone. We are benefited immensely by the inclusion of women in sport and i dare safe we are not the best culture of inclusion in sport, i do not think that anybody can say they are better than us. Title ix has been fantastic for us. But there is a harsh reality. The stresses and finances of an unplugged program could come under. No one has ever lost their job because of the poor performance of their olympics or program. People Pay Attention to basketball, to football, and the metrics i which they get their donors and fanned raising done and their sponsorships and the tv contracts. There are a lot of implications of the event have negatively impacted supporting programs. Increasing the cost for the universities for their student at leeds. You look at how many wrestling programs around the entry have shrunk over the years. The number of domestic programs that have shrunk to get that balance. Make no doubt about it that the olympic sport programs are more under threat than they have ever been. The topic of this panel is supposed to be about morning. It certainly has been in the news, allegedly selling his autograph and should a player be allowed to sell his own likeness . That is a great question. There is a black market in College Football. You basically have basketball fueled by boosters. You have a billion dollar business dedicated unfree labor, and this is to fuel the billion dollar beast. I think everyone is happy with the way it is working out right now, the black market existing in the shadows as it does. If you start to allow people to use their likeness to make money, which conceptually is very easy he should be able to make money all caps off intergraph off of his autograph, it opens onto pandoras box. How much, where does it go . When you sign with them, you can automatically get this much. So many unintended consequences of those who have not sat on the baseline and watched how the world works. They do not know how the reality is. What university could afford it will become a bottleneck competition. Everyone is looking for an average everywhere i go. In the reality of the application of the it could get very tricky. We see these autographed guys who look like youre are scum of the earth guys trying to make money off of kids. It would open up a lot of really scary doors. It is something that i think im a once you get to full cost of attendance, once you go past that marker it gets really complicated. This very complicated injunction behind the obannon decision, i think there is some sensitivity behind that. That is what makes the list next round of lawsuits, the ones involving martin jenkins, the player that is represented by jeff kessler, these big cases that could cost the school a lot of money in damages through retroactive to deferential between cost of attendance and grant aid, and what the future would be with the ability of athlete to get. This becomes a really big deal. I think that is why the judge was trying to create some ink something that was similar in between. It is a very difficult issue to balance. The lawyers that litigate that case even now are trying to decipher what the judgment in certain ways in the way the ruling and injunction were set up. Cost of attendance describes on every campus, at our school it might be as much as 4000 or more per year. It is a calculated a calculation that is not easy to come to. I want to go back to something said earlier. There is this misperception that the labor is free in College Athletics. That is not accurate. If youre a full ride Football Player at the university of texas, the benefit you get for room, board, books, tuition, training, and medical, it is 69,000 a year. That is taxfree. That puts you at the top third of the Household Incomes of the benign states. United states. If youre a basketball player it is 77,000 a year. I do not think that student athletes are being taken advantage of when they are in the top third or quartile of Household Incomes in the United States. Tutoring, networking, alumni, things that benefited me in my career. I was not good at football. I was a backup. I realized that quite quickly. But the program itself was there for you to succeed, to have the tutors, to have the individual specialization. Its a network i rely on today nearly 20 years later, it is really hard to quantify some of those costs as a former and he former athlete who by looking at me you can tell i never went to bed hungry. You really get an opportunity to really do more than just playing football. To get an enhanced student fixed student experience, beyond what the normal student gets but it really is wonderful. I will back his point on this. We did a study several years ago, we looked at the value of the mens basketball scholarship. It is 120,000 when you look at all of the things that he pours in. There are other things that have actual real value that you can tally up with free admission to games and other things that people do not think about. 6 00 a. M. Practices during spring break . [laughter] i would take that out. You know better than i do but in terms of the demands that are placed on the athletes, i think that is where the friction begins to come in. Some of the things we heard in the obannon case, and that testimony of what the athletes do, what they feel they have to do, what they are expected to do, and the nature of that tradeoff. How all of the works in the nature of the pressures and demands that are placed on the athletes in addition to the in relation to the amount of money that is being generated based on what they are doing. I agree with Steve Paterson and i let him down the road by saying free labor. These guys have it really good. Im on the road at seeing different campuses. I see that they go to bed hungry narrative is one of the alltime full narrative that could ever be eventuated in the history of college. If you really parrot on the math pare down the math, there is no way, if he is going to bed hungry, that is his own fault. Ive spent a week behind the scenes at Mississippi State, and let it tell you i gained five pounds being in their building. These guys come off the field and may have shakes specifically made to their flavor taste weight gain, weight loss and they go into the practice facility and there is a snack bar. That headline became a toxic thing. These athletes should be fed, if theres one thing they should never limit it is feeding athletes, it is in of them with medicare. It is medical care. Those basic rights. Those things are changing. It is a great thing for everybody. I do not think you will get Anyone Around sports to disagree but it is a misuse of what they are giving. They are given. I think this narrative, that said, probably has something to do with it. The establishment is making millions and millions of dollars. In essence, there are kids who come from nothing and have their noses pressed up against the window and saying wheres mine. That is not fair. You have to say outside of the g. I. Bill, College Athletics provides the largest need case in america and united days. I came from a Childrens Home in taos new mexico. My outlet was through sport. The second year they dropped track and field to luckily Santa Barbara got my vision. Last year we had 85 kids graduate from texas Christian University. Only one went pro. Only one went pro. Think about all those other kids who are going to go out and do phenomenal things, but we focus on one who did not have enough munchies. If you knew what we give them, holy cow, there is no way he is starving. Youre giving him a full ride to go to war. To make a decision. A lot of time those kids are firstgeneration kids, never happened opportunity to do something. He got done playing in four, but we continue their education until they earn their degree. We lost our voice. What are we providing College Athletics . We look at the 523 campus athletes and what they are doing throughout their lives, and that is part of the problem. The few with their nose pressed against the window are not talking for the masses. They say i cannot believe i have this opportunity. They say i cannot thank you enough. You guys have the greatest renown for doing things that create most of the revenue that support a lot of the other athletes. In some cases, they are also guys who are 50 years, it results in tough circumstances for these guys whether it is medical, whether or not they got an education that enabled them to get jobs that are useful or gainful. We did a story for years ago that talked about guys who talk to us about getting degrees the that resulted in them not being qualified to do something meaningful in their lives. There is