But weve benefitted as a society by having a wall between the government and the people. And lets keep that wall in place to make sure that nobody in the government can tell you what to do when it comes to your religious freedom. At the same time for those who believe in god youre not the enemy. We dont need to drive god out of the public square. We just need to make sure weve got the right balance. Josh thank you very much to bill ladd for that question. Back to the studio audience. A different take on foreign policy. For more than a decade, the medias coverage of American Foreign policy is focused on our militarys efforts to combat terrorism and extremism. Id like to hear your views on the World International planning policy despite popular conceptions, international aide only comprises 1 of the federal budget. Do you see international aide as an important tool in building strong communitys and allies around the world. Senator graham did yall hear this question . 1 of your federal budget goes to foreign assistance. That includes running the state department, and our aide to israel. The american taxpayers help africa reduce motherhood child aids transmission by 75 . Through programs created by the federal government partnered with the private sector, weve taken some of your tax dollars and put aids on the run in africa and saved an entire generation of children from certain death. Building a schoolhouse in afghanistan does more damage to the taliban than a brigade of soldiers. Foreign aide is easily demagogued. Its 1 of the budget and were broke at home. Im sure theres roads that need to be built in New Hampshire. As a matter of fact, after last night, i can assure you there are new roads that need to be built in New Hampshire. Heres my view of defeating radical islam. You have to do more than kill the terrorists. You have to build up other people in the region and if you dont, you will fail as a nation. The good news for us is most fathers in the region dont want to turn their daughters over to isil. Were talking a lot of poor and corrupt countries. The mideast is on fire. I dont know how to defend this country without some of us being over there doing the fighting, but i can promise you this, the way to destroy radical islam over time is to create capacity in the countries where they reside to do the fighting and extinguish this hateful ideology. A small schoolhouse in afghanistan that you wouldnt send your child to for 30 minutes can do more damage to this ideology than a bomb being dropped on their heads. The way you defeat this radical ideology is you help people in the region build better and stronger societies. You allow mothers voice to be heard. When the biggest missing pieces in the mideast is the ability of a mother to speak up and have a say about the future of her child. Theres 6 Million Girls going to school in afghanistan today. On september 10, it was illegal for a child to go to school in afghanistan. Weve had over 2200 soldiers die. At the end of the day, building up these countries and being their partner through thick and thin, even though many of them are corrupt, is in our National Security interest. Im known as a hawk. But heres one thing i understand after many trips to the mideast. Foreign assistance, american businesses being involved overseas, is absolutely essential to our National Security. If you think you can ignore the world and it wont come back to bite you just remember 9 11. We didnt have one dollar of aide to afghanistan, we didnt have an embassy and we didnt have one soldier in afghanistan and they attacked us anyway. The people who are trying to kill us and destroy the region are motivated by a religious ideology that has no place for anybody in this room. Theyre trying to purify their religion and destroy all other religions. Christianity is being slaughtered as i speak in this region. So ladies and gentlemen, it is in our National Security interest to take the fight to these guys. But to do something even harder than dropping the bomb. Being patient and building up other people who would one day live in peace with us. It worked in germany. It worked in japan. It will work in the mideast. But its going to require patience and an understanding that theres no substitute for American Leadership in the world. Josh have about a minute to go. Time is flying so well wrap up the tv portion of the program with a question from twitter. All the candidates are being asked about it. What specifically would you do this comes from jean by the way, what specifically would you do to remove the influence of big money. Senator graham well, Citizens United needs to be fixed. I was for Mccain Finegold, Supreme Court ruled 54. The provisions of Mccain Finegold basically no longer apply. Youre going to get sick of watching tv in New Hampshire so the next president of the United States needs to get a commission of really smart people and find a way to create a constitutional amendment to limit the role of super pacs because theres going to be 100 million spent on races in New Hampshire which will be good for this tv station, with and everybody apart, you dont even know who the people are supplying the money. You dont even know their agenda. Eventually, were going to destroy american politics with so much money in the political process because theyre going to turn you off to wanting to vote. Josh i can promise you were not running off commissionbased salary. I appreciate that. Putting your money in this. Senator graham im going to put every money i can into advertising in New Hampshire. Josh very good. Were out of time for just the tv portion of this. So yeah, were going to come back to this. Dont worry. Coming up in our next conversation series with the canada candidate, former Texas Governor ricky perry will be on the program. While we are signing off as we alluded to for television tonight, this conversation for senator graham continues online and on our mobile app as well. Youll find a full 30 minutes more, questions from our studio audience, all of it commercial free. For now, thanks for watching and have a great night. [captions Copyright National cable satellite corp. 2015] more campaign 2016 coverage. Next, a conversation with former Texas Governor and possible president ial candidate ricky perry. From wmur manchester in New Hampshire, this is 25 minutes. Josh tonight, well be getting to governor perry where he stands in these issues on this campaign. Ill be getting to know the candidate, quick questions, and after the break well go to the studio audience and let them ask their questions in the town hall format. Before we get to that, lets look at the candidates bio graphy. Ricky perry was born in 1950 and grew up in paint creek, texas. Where he was active in scouting and earned eagle scout. He earned a degree in Animal Science at texas a m where he was a member of the core of cadets and a yell leader. He served in the u. S. Air force in europe and the middle east. He served two terms as the texas commissioner of agriculture and three terms in the house of representatives before being elected Lieutenant Governor in 1998. He was sworn in as the 47th governor in texas in 2000 and became the longest serving governor in history of the lone star state. Perry believes in strong motor security and tough physical discipline and is also married with two children. Josh governor perry, thanks for joining us this evening. Rick perry good to be with you, sir. Josh this is the second time youre considering a run. How are you a different person and how are you a different candidate . Rick perry well, healthy for one thing. I tell people humorously, if you plan on running for the presidency of the United States, i highly recommend you dont have major back surgery six weeks before the announcement. Youre probably not going to perform quite as well as you would like to. And the other side of it is, we parachuted into this thing in august of 2011 with, frankly, no preparation. And being a governor and then being a governor for 12 years is extraordinary experience, particularly on the executive side. But the preparation in an individual whos going to stand in front of the people of this country, talk about Monetary Policy domestic policy, foreign policy, it takes years of study, intense focus, talking to some of the great experts around the world, and i hadnt done that, and it showed. I jokingly tell people, i went right to the top of the polls if you all remember. It was three of the most magnificent hours of my life. It didnt turn out the way we wanted, but the fact is, if youre going to run for the presidency of the United States, you better be healthy because its a marathon. And the second part of it is you must spend a lot of time in preparation to be able to talk about this myriad of issues that youre going to be faced with and that you need to be very knowledgeable of. Josh lets talk about a couple of those issues in this race. One of them that you have experience with is immigration down in texas, obviously, a border state. And in this debate, let me ask you. Let me phrase the question this way still have are 10,000 troops in afghanistan and a lot of people wondering why theyre not back home. Do you think those troops should be rather than in afghanistan, on the border . Rick perry i think we can do both. When you look at iraq, and i realize you didnt ask me about that, but when we look at iraq and see how that has deteriorated and when you see how isis has come into a very influential place, they control a larger piece of land in the middle east than the united kingdom, one of the reasons, i think the main reason youve seen isis and its ability to influence that part of the world is because america moved our troops out of iraq. I think had we left that military presence there to help manage that area, we had won the war. The peace was what needed to be addressed, and we backed out. We moved away, and when there is a vacuum, youre going to see that vacuum filled by something, in this case weve seen isis fill that vacuum. So i think there is a role for some number of troops in afghanistan. Obviously, how iraq gets dealt with now is anybodys guess, because we missed a lot of different opportunities. I think we could have stopped isis by supporting the Syrian Rebels and i think weve gotten rid of asad at that point in time. Then we miss an opportunity when isis went out of syria into Northern Iraq into that kuritstan region where the fighters are weaponry, delivered to those individuals. Theyre great fighters fighting for their homes and families. I think we could have stopped isis there. But again, president took a step back and said you know, for whatever reason. I think it has more to do with the iranian negotiations than it did with us being able to stop isis. Again, the bottom line is, were going to have to have a presence in the middle east with our personnel to be able to maintain. I think the middle east is in chaos. I mean, you look at libya, egypt, isis and weve got some real challenges. Josh sure, looking forward, if youre commander in chief in the United States, whats the first order of business when it comes to isis . Rick perry you put a coalition together. Thats what i dont see happening. Obviously, the king of jordan, a person who really understands when we saw his pilot being burned alive on television, we realized this isnt just about isis going after christians. This is isis going after jews, its going after christians, its going after muslims that dont agree with their radical islamic approach here. You put a coalitioning it with the saudis, the jordanians, the turks, that would be the first order of business from the time you get the election over with, you talk and create those relationships. Obviously, ive been into israel a lot of times. Weve got a relationship with the king of jordan. Weve got relationships with people, the young man who runs saudi aramco, went to school at texas a m. I have personal relationships with these people and its creating that trust and creating that will of working together to stop this radical Islamic Movement thats creating great havoc in the middle east. Josh we have about a minute to go before a break. You talk about coalition building. That takes time obviously. Whats your first approach when it comes to an enemy . It appears to be bigger planning, whatever. Rick perry i dont think it does take that much time, because the relationships have been built over there. I think today, we have a president of the United States whos more interested in getting a deal with iran, and quite frankly, getting a deal with cuba, two regimes that dont have the United States best interest in mind and has really taken this step back, if you will. So a forwardleaning position. But to go back in and immediately create those personal relationships and those trusting relationships, i mean, israel doesnt know where the United States is going to be on any given day when it comes to their security. Im not sure that the king of jordan would tell you, i know where america is going to be on any given day with this leadership. So clearly knowing these people and having personal relationships and them trusting us and knowing that were going to be there, and on the other side of that is the individuals who dont have americas best interest in line, when you draw a red line and somebody crosses that red line, there is a consequence, and we havent seen that. Josh governor, well take a quick break and get to the studio audience from their questions. Stay with us. Now, conversation with the candidate continues. Josh welcome back, everybody, to our conversation with the candidate. Tonights guest, former Texas Governor republican ricky perry. But its time to bring in our questions from the audience. I will jump in if a followup is needed. Right now, lets get to it with our first question coming from joel mitchell. Good to see you. Good morning, governor. Thank you for being with us. Many political observers think that the primary focus of the next chief executive needs to be international relations. Given that Hillary Clinton, the former secretary of state, will be the democrat candidate, why do you think youd be better at dealing with Foreign Affairs than her . Rick perry well, i think when you look at you look at peoples records, and you look at the results of those records. So when i think about secretary clinton, the first thing that comes to mind for me, i was a former pilot in the United States air force. I flew in that area, and im talking about Northern Africa and libya and what happened at benghazi. I think theres some great concerns about that. Her testimony, her saying what difference does it make that these Young Americans lost their lives, that that ambassador lost their life, it makes a lot of difference, and i think shes got a lot of explaining to do. And as my friend carle free arina says, just because you have a frequent flyer card on federal airplanes doesnt mean youve been a successful secretary of state. So i think its very important for us to realize, this isnt just about whether somebodys been in a position. What have you done while youre in that position . 14 years as the governor of the stavks, and weve got a real record, whether the record iste of texas, and weve got a real record, whether the record is 1. 5 Million People added to the job population the number of jobs created, 5. 6 Million People came into our state. And then having a philosophy, is america i happen to look at if Hillary Clinton is going to be the nominee, i think its this is just the third term of barack obama from my perspective. Youre seeing the same type of approach. I happen to think america has a role in the world. I dont think we back away from our responsibilities. I think we have a clear role in the middle east. I think we have a clear role in europe. For instance, i would have been sending american liquefied natural gas into the european theaters to send mr. Putin a real powerful message. But this administration has taken a step back time after time, except in two places, with iran and cuba, negotiating with two regimes that frankly dont have americas best interest in mind. So if Hillary Clinton is the nominee, i think shes got a lot of explaining to do. Josh joel, thank you very much for your question. A question from Mary Lou Bieber and take it away. Thank you for taking my question, governor. If youre president and are going to replace the Affordable Care act with Something Else, what would that look like, and how would you ensure that low income children and their parents here in New Hampshire dont lose access to the care they currently receive . Rick perry and i would repeal obama care because i think its going to make access to health care substantially limited in the future. We already know its going to be driving up health care costs, and i think more young men and women are not going to go into health care because of this onesizefitsall approach. So with all that said, what do you replace it with . Having been a governor for 14 years, and knowing the strings that always get attached with programs like medicaid that comes back into the states, we need senators and congressm