Never ever bet against the home team. Making predictions about the future is a chumps game, but i would never bet against america. , uniteda subchapter states of crime, you wrote about a general name christer everson. Guest he was a gentleman who is thought up by some apes gear of secure role by the environment of Protection Association and ended up in the criminal Justice System for years for a crime of which he ,as, i will not say innocent but ignorant is the better terms. We have an almost uncountable number of federal crimes that are crimes that do not require a guilty mind. Why is a guilty mind so important . Theres this thing called a conscience, right . If you do something bad, your conscience will acquit you. Doese crime in question not require a guilty mind, you will not know that you are doing it. There are so many of these offenses that you could do it all the time. Theres a book called three felonies a day, where he said if an ordinary businessman committed all these crimes, we wouldnt know it. This is a barrier to entrepreneurs in particular. It is not a barrier if you are established and surrounded by lawyers. It is a barrier if you are the new guy. It discriminates against the upandcoming, the guy without connections, the guy who does not make political contributions. I am on their side on this one. Host lakeland, florida, please go ahead with your question for Frank Buckley. The way back is the name of the book. Caller praise be for cspan and what its doing for america. All the other media is concentrating on emotional considerations for the present election, but cspan tries to get the intellectual part of the brain of citizens involved and has discussion on books like mr. Buckleys and rick shankmans book about how politicians strike of anger. I want to recruit the professor in asking the president ial candidates 510 books that citizen should read so that we understand the most Serious Problems facing the United States from an intellectual standpoint. Your book, i hope, is a on the list on one of the candidates. On book tv, lets have a discussion for the intellectual instead of the emotional. Ive asked the Bipartisan Working Group in congress to perhaps use george mason , aversity as a place to meet venue for your conflict resolution school. Is that possible . Guest im sure it is. My book would be number 1, 2, and three. [laughter] about the book that was making quite a buzz around here last year . Guest you pronounce that correctly. It was a french fellow who wrote a book about how capitalism will selfdestruct as all the wealth will be concentrated in the rich and everyone will be impoverished. I do not want to spend too much time on that, so i answered that in the appendix. He does not have americas number. He just does not get it. We are not like that. There are a number of reasons why. One reason is his analysis works if the rich just reinvest the money, but they spend it, you know . They spend it and they go through messy divorces and they spend it on baubles. The footballer george best said with all his money, he spent 90 10 on wine, women, and song, and the rest he wasted. We are on the side of in the col anna nicole smith. Host steve champion tweets into you, i would rather go forward instead of going way back. Say, there were things in the 60s that were not perfect, and we are better off in many respects with respect to african, women, and a whole bunch of things. I agree with that. We do not want to go back to 1950s. I would argue that we would want to recapture one part of the 1950s, which is the spirit and reality that we all can and move up with industry and drive. That is the part of the 1950s i like. Host darlene in nevada. Please go ahead. Caller good morning, mr. Buckley. Listening to you talk is an absolute breath of fresh air. I was wondering as you have worked in many countries, how many have the Corporate Congress that we do . If we want to find our way back, money out of politics and special Interest Groups would be a huge, huge help. We do not always have. Forget corporate welfare, but the corporate contributions to get things done for these. Guest excellent question. Heres my answer. You asked how many countries have our network of i guess crony capitalist in congress and the like. The answer is none, nobody matches us. The people who are surprised by trump should have seen it coming because they should have looked at where we are with respect to the problem that you mentioned. They shouldve recognized that we have been there before. 1776 when thein framers, the founders of this country, looked at england. They looked at a country that was as free as they were, but they also looked at a country that was really corrupt. They had a sense of republican virtue that would be better than all that. What we are doing right now is rediscovering that sense of a need for a special kind of virtue that washes away everything that you just talked about, all the cronyism, all the special deals. It is a hard thing to do. There are barriers in constitutional law that we would not want to entrench on. I think there are things we can do and we will have to explore the. M. Host you write about this in the wayn back. Government loan guarantees and winners and losers cant be successful . Uest in the sense that a a broken clock is right to times in the day, but host why do we keep doing it . Guest because of that patronage im describing. If you want something done, you need allies. That arethe solyndras terrible at their business but wonderful and making connections in this town. Is thatg about solyndra it was costing them more to produce their product than they were selling it for. Wherelike the old joke the guy in the clock trade would tell us we are losing money with every coat we sell. The father says, its easy and we make it up in overhead. The overhead here is sticking the bill to congress. Solyndra was about a 500 million loan guarantee. The government should not be picking winners and losers. They do not have skin in the game, but what they have is influence. Jim is in royal oak, michigan. Caller thank you for taking my call. Be referred back to the 1950s. Bought me a book of the front page of the New York Times going back 100 years. There was a small article on the page of that one saying that our High School Education was only doing something if you are going to college. Otherwise, it wasnt doing anything for the rest. Now they go to high school and they are not qualified for another job. In germany, when you get out of high school, your qualified for a technical job. We have been wasting billions and billions and billions of of dollars on High School Education and it has not been doing anything for most of our people. I like your comment on that. Thank you. Guest i agree with that. Im not able to micromanage how things should be taught in school, but we seem obviously to have moved away from teaching basic skills in math and english. You are absolutely right about the need to teach workrelated skills as they do in countries like germany. What we have is an educational bureaucracy, which resembles a soviet department store, which is organized around how do we make life good for the department clerks not for the customers. If you ask what the problem is, i think one problem is exactly that. Clout of nea, the teachers union, is a great cause of the problem. I described in my book a new class a kind of aristocracy at the top of the heap. These are people who are ordinarily not in favor of educational reform. Some of them are, but in general, they arent. They vote against it when given the chance to do so. It is no skin off their nose because they will send their kids to private school. Isyou are an aristocrat, precisely the case that you do not want other people to rise. It should be shocking because even the bird of prey knows not to plow its own nest. For the new class, it is not their nest but the nest of the others. Host what do you teach at george mason . Guest i teach a course on the framers. These are the guys who assembled in philadelphia. What was great about them is that they were not the orists. They were good, smart, practical politicians. We nearly split apart and became three countries. There were british spies there. There were french spies. It was a deal made by guys we have never heard of. James madison really had a very minor role. Everything he proposed was shot down pretty much. It is a wonderful story. I teach a course on contracts, which is real nice because the way i teach it really has not changed in 50 years. Rist who is the most theo of the Founding Fathers . Guest the biggest theorist would be either hamilton or madison, but that explains why they got nowhere. Madison was someone who dug in his heels and he is someone who wouldve wanted a walkout at one point. He did not get his way and it was a breakfast meeting on the morning of july 17. If you read his notes, he probably wanted the whole thing to collapse at that point. It did not because of more prudent people like gouverneur morris. That is why july 17 is the most important day in American History. Host the next call for Frank Buckley. A few minutes left in our program with them. Diane and the duke on the republican line. You are on the air. Please go ahead. Caller thank you, mr. Buckley. Im going to buy your book and read that. I am a retired Public School teacher. I started in a oneroom school with no Running Water and outdoor toilets. I came through the system. I graduated college. I have four degrees. I will tell you that the Public Education system is a total mess. Doesnt get people where they need to be. You are right. It is run by theorists and not practical people. Build a hotel and get rid of the department of education and turn it back to the parents. Make them start to be responsible for what is going on in the classroom with their children. Offer them more programs because im telling you not everyone is bound for college like they tell you. They just dont have it. Guest i cannot agree more. Ive nothing much to add except for one thing. There was this book that appeared a couple years back and every member of the new class of our aristocracy read it with a guilty pleasure because she was outing us. She was talking about all the things that we do because we recognize that school is not enough. We were doing all sorts of afterschool activities. We were doing things that people in other parts of the country would not know how to do. We were giving our kids that kind of advantage. It is in short a society where , then yourplugin kids are going to do rather well. It is not equal in that sense. We are not going to change that. If we make our ordinary schools a lot better, we minimize the effect of that. Host bill in humble, texas. Caller good morning. I want to say that in my opinion, the American Dream has ruined america. When i mean by that is the thought that Everyone Needs to own a house, so you get a mortgage. You factor in the amortization of the mortgage and property taxes that you pay, you do not start to build any equity for about 15 years. Everyone is stuck paying off a mortgage. Both parents have the and cannot spend any time with their children. The American Dream has ruined america. Guest a quick answer to that. Ofgree with your criticism the a macon home finance system. American home finance system. I do not see the point of a 30 year mortgage or mortgaged about to affect ability. Deductibility. In canada, they have neither and have greater homeownership. In america, homeownership doesnt work, so i entirely agree. We have talked about the American Dream. My hero in all this is abraham lincoln. Forget the 1950s. I go back to abraham lincoln, who was a guy at his core all head. Getting a he wanted everyone to have the same kind of chance that he did to rise from one year of schooling to become one of the best educated president in American History. Process, more than anyone, invented the American Dream. If you look at his speeches, that is what he kept talking about. I think that is a noble dream. Host Frank Buckley writes that there are also several reasons why we never expect to see perfect income mobility between generations. First, it always helps to have a head start that wealthy parents get 1 better schools, better networks, better first jobs. Thats why countries with high levels of income inequality are also countries with low levels of income mobility. From rich parents, rich kids. Second, and relatedly, the environment in which children are raised matters. Children raised by wealthy parents are less likely to come from broken homes and will learn by example to value education. Compared to poor children, they are exposed to a much higher social and cultural environment. In addition, theres a developing Empirical Literature suggesting that the personal phenotypes for the geneticist that are correlated with economic success are hereditary. Guest those kinds of explanations can get you into trouble and they did when people try to make it racial. Host Charles Murray coul. Right. If lady gaga was born that way, why not the rich . Im talking about things like impulse control and bourgeois virtues and the willingness to invest in education and the like. To some extent, that is arguably inherited. There. Are people working on this it is simply there are people working on this . The phenomenon of being born on third base and thinking that you hit a triple. They were right about george w. Bush in that respect. The home quality heres what i would say about that. These things matter more now than they did in the past as a consequence of the destruction of our Public Schools and related phenomenon. It was not the case i think 100 years back that if you are poor and he went to school that you are going to get a worse education then you would get at andover or a prep school. I like that. I like giving people from the bottom those kinds of chances. It does not happen so much. Who is stopping it . All the people who want to keep things the way they are in terms of our education. Anne is in blackstone, virginia. Caller excuse me. Good morning, cspan. Ive been sitting here listening to mr. Buckley speaking about education. Real ruralin a country in virginia. I went to Public School and we had good teachers. They were concerned about the childrens education. Labor immigrants we were immigrants of slavery. They had to to just english to teach us english. They taught us how to be good citizens and they were concerned about us. And our leadership. Theyow, one thing w forgot to teach us civics. My father bought civics books, but they were never taught to us. That is why the black people do not know too much about civics because they were not taught in the schools. I think the black people have come a long, long way from slavery. They hader thing chapter one where they would have have the blacks and lower income children out, but they wouldnt use it correctly. School with no Running Water come outside toilets, and so forth, but we were happy. We were happy because we were producing children of the future. Like doesnt anyone care about the children. , i know you have called him before and we love hearing from you. Can you tell everybody how old you are . Caller i am 86 years old. School. O the public they had very good Public Schools. Host were you in the segregated Public Schools . Caller yes, and i taught at integrated schools. Host thank you for calling in and thanks for watching. Guest let me just say something. My mother lived to age 104 and you are spring chicken. Just want you to know that. Host it begins with education. A lot of calls on the. At. Ben, you are the last word for Frank Buckley. [laughter] caller i want to ask a question about the National Debt and how education consultant National Debt. I would like for him to connect a few dots there. Ohio Charter Schools are fairly big, but to a large extent, they consist of giving the kid a computer and very little followup after that. If you could answer those two questions, id appreciate it. Guest quick answer for the first one with respect and the National Debt this is how economist do things. They look at a whole bunch of countries and relate how they do in terms of test for 15 years old compared to the wealth of the country. That is where they get those figures, so it is kind of crude, but as an example, as a way of showing that we pay for bad schools, i think it is pretty effective. Im not going to swear that is what would happen if we made things better and we wipe out the National Debt. I think we would come in fact, be much more mobile and a wealthier society and a more just society. Host Frank Buckley is the author of this book, the way cspans washington journal, live every day with news and policy issues that impact you. 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