Younger people, and bring younger people into the caucus. To become, hopefully the future leaders. One of the things that i certainly believe with all of my heart, and my soul, you have to know when to leave. Nancy does not feel that this is the time to leave, many of us thought that she might stay for maybe this occurring coming year, and hopefully turn the reins over to someone else, but anybodyook around, is really ready to replace her . This is a hard job. I give her a lot of credit for what she has been able to do. It is time that the leaders start looking at, who is going to fill my spot. We are all replaceable. There might be some bumps in the road but i do always believe that younger people it is time for them to take our spots with fresh ideas and new ways of doing things. I see nothing wrong with that, that is normal progression. Cspan interviews retiring monday atnal members, 8 p. M. Eastern on cspan. Next, republican governors discuss a range of issues including immigration, congressional partisanship and the 2016 president ial race. Then, and Authors Panel examines the state of race in america. Then i will republican senator thek grassley discusses upcoming retirement of democratic senator tom harkin. Wednesday, governor rick perry said that taxes might sue president barack obama on his plan plans over illegal immigration. He spoke at the republican governors Associations Annual meeting at oka raton, florida. In addition to immigration policy, the governors discussed congressional partisanship, Government Shutdowns, education and welfare and thein 2016 president ial campaign. This is a little over an hour. Host of nbcs meet the press, chuck todd. As you can see, and im going to put this these are the only republicans who express an interest in running for president. Christie, i assume this means youre not there anymore, i understand. I kid, of course. I did not express anything. I will kick things off in a minute and one thing i want you do, there able to should be some notecards we will pass the questions up and therell be people at the side and we will go for about an hour and we will i hear there is some news that may be made on immigration. I will start first with three of the five governors here, who have all served in congress. Let me start with you. You are close to Speaker Boehner and you have served in congress. How should congressional leadership respond to the president s actions that he will announce tomorrow night. Christie, i assume this means youre not therewhat woulw would you advise for public leadership to respond . My advice is they should have done this right away. To make it clear to him that they will not listen to people who have no interest in a solution. In our state in ohio we look at problems and offer solutions, which is what we did. We had a very gratifying win. You think they should have been trying to pass a bill and do something . We have some common things, lets hammer this out because if you go really quick and you dont include us maybe they can even seal ohio we look at problems and offer solutions, stillis what we make you make the plea to him. We are not going to roadblock you, when i was in congress in 1986 and Ronald Reagan cap with i think you want to try to work with the president when you can. It is a mistake for him to move forward unilaterally. I think cooler heads need to prevail. It is never too late until it is too late. Leadership,in house and a lot of stuff is being talked about. The power of the purse, how this could make for some ugly politics. I think it would be a profound mistake for the president of the United States, to affect Immigration Law with the stroke of a pen. Thisieve that issues of magnitude should always be resolved with the consent of the governed. The Senate Passed a conference of immigration bill. The American People changed the majority in the senate. What the president ought to do is what john kasich just said. President ought to sit down in january, with the new republican majority in the and the largely majority in the house, and search for common ground. That is what leadership looks like and what we do every day looking with our legislatures hammering it out and signing an executive order and giving a around thed storming country, defending the executive order. Likesnot leadership, the of which we practice every day. I would implore the president to reconsider this path, and to demonstrate the kind of leadership that the American People want to still make the plea to him. See, that this administration will sit down with this newly minted Republican Congress and fine a series ofty, piece by piece reforms, in this congress, that will be in the longterm interests of the American People. The third governor. Who has washed and experience, i know that you have to hide that these days. With theu Congressional Republicans been a better negotiating positions and House Republicans if they had passed something last year and started this incremental we have waited and waited for the house to do anything. There is nothing that they have done on this issue. I think one thing. This president was very plain about this. He said he would wait until after the midterm elections to take action knowing that this would be a problem and he did not want to hurt the democratic candidates, and then he went out and said his policies would be on the ballot. He said that. Overwhelmingly, the American People rejected those policies. He said he would delay taking action and have an election where his policies are on the ballot as set of looking at the American People, i think it is isntt of arrogance the first president to be to disagree with the congress but he is the first to ignore the separation of powers. It is amazing you dont have good democrats of conscience, who say that i grew them on substance but this is not the right way to do this. Imagine there is a republican president that says i will ignore the congress and i will pick which laws i will enforce, and determine which parts of the Affordable Care act he will enforce first, it is the height of arrogance to go around the laws. He had a super majority in the senate his first two years and the congress he got obamacare done and his stimulus bill, if this was such a priority could have done this, this is politics and the reality is that if he was very if he was serious he thed be sincere about er you dont think House Republicans have any responsibility for not passing anything have theo immigration system is broken. It is right for the House Republicans to say, how he has to beyou a trustworthy negotiating partner. If he wants to build up to that conversation, he has to secure the border. That is within his ability to do. Governorsder steak like jan and rick and others, to make the border secure, that is how you know it is secure, it is not based on a thousand page senate bill. It is basically codifying the executive order in executive order what is already there. We are not breaking up familiese executive order in executive these are people here. Are we arguing over something that nobody was ever going to enforce . No. Let me address your question about the republicans from my perspective. One of the reasons they did not do that is because the American People are not for it. You are going to see the president take this action tomorrow that is unconstitutional, in his own words. We do not know it is unconstitutional, yet. He said it was not legal to do, whether statutorily or constitutionally, i will let the lawyers hash that out. He said he could not do what he is going to do tomorrow. American people are not for this. You look at building a case that the republicans in the house and the republican majority in the senate will come to him with what is most important to the American People, securing the border. They will a thoughtful bill that does not detract from the needed personnel, the drones, the strategic fencing. That is in the bill. And needs to clearly address the Border Security issue singularly. You will not get american support for an Immigration Reform bill until not together until the border is secure. Then, americans will be open to a conversation about how to deal with these people. It is interesting. The further i get away from the border of texas and mexico, the more intense people are. I agree with you. I have noticed the same thing. Iowa, new hampshire, South Carolina i had to put that in. There is a different conversation in the middle of the country than florida or texas. That is true. It is clearly that the American People want to see the border secured. When sheriffs, district attorneys, Police Chiefs say, governor, thank you for deploying the National Guard to secure the border. With have to pay inordinate amounts of money to prosecute individuals who are in the country illegally and committing crimes. So, i think the president is taking a Major Political chance. I think he is putting his party in jeopardy and putting members of the senate and the house in jeopardy. Maybe he does not care. I suggest that, if he goes through with this and sticks a finger in the eyes of the American People with no thought other than what he wants to do, he jeopardizes democrats getting into power. Governor walker, you have not spoken on this. Perry talked about a standalone bill on Border Security. House republicans put something up. Im saying that the conversation would be different with bill the republicans passed. I am an optimist. The president came and campaigned in my state that was 99 for him in the last election and he went with one of our new governor elects in michigan and across the midwest. I think the president looked at the fact that the American People rejected the policies of the president and he and his Political Team desperately want to get the topic changed. We did not get a majority of the United States senate, whether for or against immigration. We were elected because you look at states like colorado and the new senator elect did very well with the immigration policy. I would say this president does not want a focus on repealing obama obamacare. He wants to reduce the National Debt and those of the things that the republicans were elected to do in the house and the senate. That is why the president is making such a big deal about it after the election. He wants to divert attention from what the americans i was in congress in the most Turbulent Times and the most successful times. We went through Government Shutdown and, after we won the majority in the house, we had to shut down and the chairman of the Budget Committee beat us up pretty badly. The send feelers over to my office and said, it is in all of our interest to get a balanced budget. The same is true on this issue. This is the overall tone we hear in america today. Countries are divided. It is like, you have your stuff and i have my stuff. What do we end up with when we finally have worked through many tough issues . We have a balanced budget and we paid down a large amount of the national that. Did i like everything bill clinton was doing . Are you kidding . At the end of the day, good people need to be committed to solving problems. He says, border bill. No border bill. Maybe it cannot be worked out. Everybody knows we have a problem in the country and they may not like his or our solution. They want the problem solved. You have to be careful with the rhetoric. You get far out on that and people dont want to deal. You have to find out if you are interested in solving the problem. That is what i would have suggested. Do you think that congressional leadership should go to the brink . Do you engage in the budgetary aspects and shutdowns . I think you go to courts. Who is the aggrieved party . I assume there will be a court challenge. Im curious who is the aggrieved party. I agree with john. It is interesting that bill clinton did not say the republicans in congress are not going along with me so i will go by executive order. He said we should do a Government Shutdown. He did not go and issue the executive order after that. The welfare reform. Isnt that the difference . Setaside immigration. What the president is doing is repeatedly saying that he is the president of the United States and not the emperor. He says this is a legal and defended it time and again when he was pressured. He will now take action. I think it will be hard not to find anyone other than a partisan democrat who says this is illegal. There is no give on his part. It is all take. You have Newt Gingrich and bob dole at each other over the shutdown. My point is that i do not like what he is doing and think he is making a mistake. This is where we are going as a country. Are we going to deal with the real problems of health care and immigration . Are we going to deal with the divided country . The thing i have learned is, if we did not get the clinton people to the table to negotiate and we did not get everything we wanted had we not done that, we would not have balanced the budget. Nothing gets fixed without bipartisan support. You cannot do it without bipartisan support. Look, i did it. I was an architect of the balanced budget and you have Madeleine Albright coming in to talk to you and that is enough for a lifetime. Governor, is there a limit on what you advise on how to fight the president . The power of the congress is the power of the purse. The shutdown was good. You are making a case that the shutdown worked. You have a catchall bill and every confidence that john boehner and leadership will get out of the lameduck session and will keep the government moving forward. Im also confident that the republican majority in the senate and the house are going to write a budget and adopt a budget, going through a regular and orderly process with the appropriation bills. When i talk about the consent of the governed, that is it. If the president would go through this and he is not providing real leadership on this issue facing our country and in the way the American People would expect a leader to do. That is where the American People can reject funding. With the stroke of a pen, to announce policy and travel after the televised address, i want to say that is not the leadership we practice and not the leadership john kasich spirits. That is the leadership American People want to see in d. C. The president and congress figuring it out. Who is the aggrieved party . I think we are spending 12 million a month on Border Security and the numbers are just out in harris county. 3000 additional students from central america. Would cost the cost is an extraordinary amount of money that the president is exacerbating with the announcement that he will allow for this. I dont think it. 3000 additional students from central america. Would cost the cost is an extraordinary amount of money that the president is exacerbating with the announcement that he will allow for this. I dont think it. I know it. I think there is zero possibility. A real possibility. Greg abbott, the new incoming governor of texas will be a fabulous governor and his Job Description over the last six years when you was asked what he does, he says, i go to the office, i sue obama, and i go home. You believe the state of texas will have standing to challenge the implementation of the executive order. I do. I think they should. Think about how ridiculous it is. We are talking about getting the president of the United States to follow the law. There are a lot of basis for him to follow the law. He has a decision to make. He is not running for reelection. Does he want to roll up his sleeves . He has real issues. Instead of distracting us, the selection, people went and said we do not like the bureaucrats when it comes to health care and we want a replacement for health care. Keystone is a small example of what the administration is doing to stop us from being Energy Independent. They do not want governmentrun monopolies. We need to be bold and principled. We need to pass bold conservative reforms and show them how we can be Energy Independent and break up the monopoly and education. We need to make the president choose a fee is interesting in leaving or leading or demagogy. The only reason welfare became law after he vetoed it was because he had a republican majority you work with. Jimmy carter increased spending on the pentagon. The president needs to admit that his approach has been rejected by the republican the American People. Shouldnt the house have passed something . No. Some form of a bill he did not like there was something there. It was a Political Tool. If he was serious, you would have dealt with it. This is been a Political Tool all long. He thinks it serves him well. Is immigration and problem . Politicians have been played on immigration a lot. Lets be real. You have a house and senate. If you could ram through obamacare and you were genuine and serious a