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Knowing it would hurt goldwater in the november election . That is something that occurred to the goldwater people at the time. I have researched this for my book. Effective that afternoon, rockefeller rehearsed that speech and they had no idea that it was going to yen rate the response that it did. Might have been naive on their part but the notion that rockefeller, you know, in advance planned this to show up, if you will, the quote extremists mood is over reaching. How did richard nix on thread the needle to appeal to the more mainstream socalled chamber of Congress Republicans and the goldwater wing . Conservatives had been chastised. Chase ended is a better word. Gold condition water had lost overwhelmingly. People wanted to say the Republican Party was dead, conservatism was dead after 64. Two weeks after that Lyndon Johnson won, a gallup poll found an almost dead heat among americans who identified themselves as liberal or conservative. There was always that lark element that thought of itself conservative. Nixonts skill was to thread the needle, to be just conservative enough happy to 68 was a turbulent year a fairly moderate stoliberal wing. It was a tightrope act the book available at cspan. Org. Pat tree arkansas George Washington and the new american nation, their biography of Thomas E Dewey and the triumph of Herbert Hoover and your work along with robert dole laughing almost all the the way to the white house. The director or executive director of a number of president ial libraribraries including the lincoln library, the ford library in grand rapids, michigan, the Reagan Library in simi valley, california and the Hoover Library in iowa. Fred is joining United States from murianna, florida. Good morning . I was enjoying mr. Smiths comments i was 11 years old when i watched this convention in 1964. We had a t. V. Hello . Guest yes. Caller can you hear me . Host host we can. Go ahead, fred. i did watch the convention. Barry goldwater was right, his slogan was in your heart, you know he is right. What he predicted has all happened today. One final comment, i think if we had another 911 this country would collapse because we have no sleepered. Thank you for the call. Line about in your heart, you know he is right and in the tag line by the johnson, in your gut, you know he is nuts which is what campaign tried to paint Barry Goldwater. Rockefeller did achief, whether intended that night with considerable hells from from the galleries was an intelible image americans, in 1964, this was the First Television con convention. We were not accustomed to seeing people behave that batly, the republicans had in their convention. It came as a shock. And it did define for millions of people the goldwater acceptance speech unpromising as goldwater, himself could be. If you are joining us on cspan radio as we look back, gary goldwater, his nomination that began 50 years ago, greg from athens, alabama, good morning. Good morning, gentleman. Thank you for taking my call. I was two years old when this con convention came out. So i would have to say i wasnt able to watch it but a lot of things that struck me growing up, up through the early 80s, it was always seen as kind of like the loyal opposition and they were kind of pushed to the side by the democrats in congress a culmination of gary bold quats efforts when republicans took over the congress. I would like to get your thoughts on that. Thank you . Thank you. Yeah, time was good to goldwater. He was a man who ironically, he stands out. He is not a man i was willing to be drafted. Primarily because he believed he looked forward to running against john f. Kennedy. He had an idea of a modern lincolndouglas style exam pain. How likely that was to happen . Unlikely. It could have been a very different kind of campaign. He wanted to have a fill solve calf discussion and he thought if he could get 45 of the vote against a popular, glamorous incumbent president it would advance his real objective which was not to make Barry Goldwater president but which was to take over the Republican Party ant lay the foundation for someone down the road to win the presidency. Mat from springser, new york, good morning. At at a really september 16th, 1976, where we were protesting against rockefeller, always a staunch democrat, he came to support bob doles nomination and i just he gave a finalous iconic, could still get the picture on amazon governor rockefeller was signing copies of that picture to the horror of people on his staff, one who told me walked in one day and he found the Vice President of the United States signing the photo of the governor giving a onefinger salute to the protesters. He said you cant be signing this picture he got more mail, more friendly mail about that incidents than anything else in his entire career except dallas night at the cal palace in 1964 our guest Richard Norton smith and his book on rockefeller t on his own terms. Alexis is joining us from caller good morning. Thank you, mr. Norton smith . Correct . I just wanted to kind of reminisce with you. In 1964, i was a 19yearold student in atlantaa and there was a mock con convention at Emery University and the goldwaters were there. There had been a parade in atlanta for Barry Goldwater and then they came to emery, and i was almost swayed but not quite. There was so much going on, especially in atlanta. And i am a native georgian and with the desegregation and Martin Luther king was right there in town. And so much work needed to be done on that front that they didnt sway me but they were charismatic. I remember that and a great orator. A wondesh man. Thank you. Alexis thank you for sharing your recollections from 50 years ago. We will go to plymouth, new hampshire. Valerie is next caller good morning. How are you guys doing . Host host fine. Thank you. Caller i am glad to see a historian on t. V. Can you hear me . We can. Go ahead, valerie. Caller okay. I want to know are you aware that Ronald Reagan back in the 20s, before f. D. R. Was a communist . Ronald reagan was born in 1911 guest he would have had to be a junior communist. Host to learn more about the impact of 64, in 66 as governor of california and as president. Guest you could make the case that if goldwater never happened, if reagan would have had a presidency. Goldwater laid the ground work for the transformation that made it possible for Ronald Reagan to be nominated in 1980. This is a tweet from the jim saying, will we play the datesy ad . Somehow, i think not. A portion of the datisy ad. An iconic spot from 50 years ago. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. A speech that resonated 50 years ago in an ad that still resonates today . Yeah. The First Political ad, a negative political ad in a major campaign. Yeah. The ultimate negative ad, an ad that ran, i think, only once. In september of 1964. And 50 years later, we are still talking about it. We are still analyzing its influence on much the political discourse ever since. Why . Because it was so overthetop. Even at the time. But it does it was he you run an ad like that because you thing its going to find an audience. You think a certain number of voters are going to find it credible. They are going to be swayed by it. Only existed because of this quote extremim issue. What we had seen at the con convention and really by the campaign. One of the problems germaned force was that the conservative base did not trust him. Why, then, did he select neson rockefeller as his running mate in 1974, getting our dates right here. One of the reasons they didnt trust him in 1976 was because he had selected Nelson Rockefeller in 1974. Gerald ford was a man of capitol hill. He new the town. He new the lemming slafb process. What he wanted to do was to compensate he wanted someone with administrative experience, someone who had enternational reptation and, also, not least of all, someone who had access to talent and rockefeller throughout his career had a reputation for surrounding himself with the best people. In addition to that, they had a personal relationship. They had worked together on refers new sharing. Rockefeller was ininstrumental in leading the fight for revenue sharing and to keep new york precariously balanced and ford had been instrumental in seeing that it was passed in the house. So they had a personal relationship. And ford was completely comfortable. There were people who thought, you know, do you really want to put someone as electric, as c e charismatic as colorfoful and controversial as rockefeller on your ticket . Dont you worry he might overshadow you . And ford was always comfortable enough in his own skin that that didnt bother him at all. Final question, did you look at the republican field both in the midterm elections moving ahead to 2016 . Could we see a repeat of what we saw in 1964 in 2016 . Guest we could see a repeat in the sense that kind of the libertarian right comes to dominate the organized party. I dont think we would see a repeat of the landslide because i think america has moved considerably to the right of 1964. I think the Republican Base is much larger than it was. I think there was a certainly as we see every day, a strong core of antiobama forces who will turn out to vote for anyone the republicans put up. So, i think in terms of the party, yeah, we could see history repeat itself. Who knows what will happen in november . And the promise to repeat the phone number for the upcoming president s and patrii dont think so. Com. This is what in your turour. We have been doing this 20 years. First time was out of california. 2026577444. Is that number also on the website, president s patriots. Com . The rommckefeller comes out when National Journal correspondent, fawn johnson. Onl street journal reporter those who signed up for health insurance. And virginia secretary of transportation discusses the role of the Highway Trust Fund and legislative efforts to fund it. And well take your calls and you can join the conversation on facebook and twitter. Washington journal on cspan. John seigenthaler sr. Died friday at the age of 86. He was a journalist, editor, political aide, and outspoken advocate for civil rights and the First Amendment. In 2005, he sat down with his son, John Seigenthaler jr. , to discuss their careers. Their discussion is about 40 minutes. Before we get to the first question, one subject that is important to all of us in journalism. ,hat is the First Amendment Confidential Sources, and concerns that many of our colleagues are either going to jail, under house arrest or preparing to go to jail for doing their job. Talk about Confidential Sources and a shield law for journalists and why you who spent your life defending the First Amendment and promoting the First Amendment think this is so important. Well, Congress Shall make no law. And what you are asking about is a shield law. And a federal shield law, congress would have to make a law. I looked at the arguments on both sides very carefully and i think we are reached the point where a shield law would be helpful. Sources is it is abused. When johnticipated kelly i had problems he had fabricated and plagiarized. It was a difficult, difficult thing to get to the bottom of the cause the reporter and indeed the reporter for the New York Times jayson blair did the same thing invented not only information from sources, but sources and in vented covers invented covers for his reliance on sources. And it is not a wonder given the jack kelly problem and the jayson blair problem and given the difficulty that afflicted and the Dan Rather Network were duped by a source. It is not surprising is many people find Confidential Sources not believable, not credible. Still, there are times when people have information and this is the only way they can protect their jobs or security or sometimes their family. Sometimes they would be in danger if they spoke out. These times are rare. And i think the cases where journalists are facing jail is rare. You covered the case in providence not long ago where a Television Reporter went to jail, as he was provided a tape from a source that showed a politician accepting a bribe. The second tape ran on the air and he is now in the house of reps. He used that tape to let the people know about a politician. The prosecutors took the same tape, a copy of the tape and played it for friends and family. And was disciplined, got a slap on the wrist from a judge and did not go to jail or house arrest and so, it seems to me there is a problem in my own view is we have reached the point where federal shield law would be helpful. What would be far more helpful would be if editors of newspapers and the executives of news stories in television wouldve put down strict, definitive rules on the use of Confidential Sources. When you say it is a last resort , it should be the last resort. I was very impressed last week paulson, ast ken you all know, the editor of usa today was attending a meeting at the press club. And the New York Times late complemented for its rules regarding confidential rules, they are strict and well defined and they work. Concerned about citationsof contempt against now eight journalists. I do not think well will get a federal shield law but i think it will be helpful. I mentioned as a reporter and this is nbc on the operated television and jim is an employee. Spending his time in house arrest because he has a heart condition, a heart transplant patient and the judge saw fit to allow him to stay at his home as opposed wearing an ankle bracelet and having to go to prison where his health might be compromised. We should probably begin in the questions. Let me start with you. I am coyote rogers. How much pressure has there been to live up to your family example and how do the you have handled it . Tremendous pressure. It has been, theres been no pressure. I very freely decided many years ago i wanted to debt into Television News as opposed to the newspaper business. My fatherhed at home, would come home every night and talk about things that will be on the front of the telik on the front of the newspaper the next day. That led me to journalism eventually. I really was not sure i wanted to get into journalism until i finally got a job at a tv station. And began working there and i like Television News better than newspaper because it was more immediate. And reached more people. It was Something Different than but my father had done still journalism. I was excited about that. Career what led me to my in Television News. Almost 25 years. You talked about i am jordan from nevada. You talked about the tsunami and coverage. Do you think there is anything the media should or can it do to increase the American Public awareness . It seems like a long time the only time people Pay Attention to other countries is when we are bombing them. News is the definition of when there are events that go on in the world, sometimes tragic, it seems to be the time when our attention is turned. I am aware that we do not spend a note time on international stories. The broadcast we produce with Brian Williams and on the weekend as well that we i think especially since 9 11, west but a lot more time covering the world news than we did before. And maybe we shouldve spent more before. We would recognize there were things going on that we could only realize now. The criticismr constantly in order to remind us that there are other places besides the United States and those countries affect us. And have a dramatic impact on our lives and we should not forget that. It is a valid criticism. Fights to get those stories on the air when we can. There are people in our news organizations that risk their lives every day in baghdad to bring us news of what is going on and people risking their lives and other hot spots around the world. It is important that they are able to tell those stories and people get them out. I think we do a good job but we could do better. Question in what direction do you see the future of broadcast news going . Michael jackson scandal, breakup ben, they seem to entertain us. That is what a lot of the American Public wants. They have entertainment tonight after the nightly news. I think i have worked in c so i haveand msnb covered those stories. Sometimes those stories make it onto nightly news but not as often. It is howat part of the Important Stores to tell. Events,tive to world how important are they . There is in this country and stories for sensational hence o. J. Simpson story and Michael Jackson and others like it. I will tell you sort of the same answer i said before which is those of us in television fight every day the battles to get the stories we think are most important. And generally, the stories you just described are at the bottom of the list. At the top of the list are often sexy, dohat are not as not get as much attention. Of us think are more important. That is a battle we fight every day. We want people to watch our broadcast. Is what you see on nbc nightly news and it has a great reputation. And i know that Brian Williams feels very strongly that he wants to carry on the reputation. I think as you continue to you will see dr. Broadcast focusing on the stories of most importance. That the broadcast focusing on the stories of most importance. I am steve brown of vermont. Since we are covering the conflict in the middle east, we have a lot a journalist the risk their lives every day. I do not think many of us realize journalism has been a business. Like the freedom riders. Generations and i was wondering if you could compare and contrast how journalism has been a challenging pre9 11 and post9 11 . I do not know that you can compare. This is a personal story and the seeer that journalists every day around the world. I remember at an early age, even , sometimes the controversy of journalism put you in harms way. Andather was then Editor Publisher of the newspaper in nashville. As a child, he would write editorials. When i was a kid, he would write rights and that was not popular in the town. We would get phone calls from angry readers of the newspaper who were angry about what theyre worth reading and in the newspaper and at times there were bomb threats. Home ands i would come find Police Outside of the house. Because somebody had threatened to blow up our house because of what he had written in the newspaper. There are i learned at an early age there are perils, button that is few and far between. The people who really risk their lives every day are the people for incident in baghdad. I have tremendous respect for what they do every day to bring information and that is let me add one other anecdote. There came a night, not too long ago, you were still anchoring in nashville. I received a call from the police who said there are brothers who belong to the militia movement. And if there is a direct and we are sending a police out. And i said, are you sure . And if they said there is a threat and we are sending the police out. They went to his house. Had the idea we could kidnap him and have them say whatever they wanted about the militia movement. Brothers fled and the Third Brother blew the whistle. Mental institution and the other in the penitentiary. He knows. Things, are rare but occur. Aware. Us are i agree those occasional threats have they fade in significance when you think journalists in the war zone where life is on the line every day. I am danielle from alabama. Is, recently at our school we took a poll of the students and only 30 said they were paying attention to the news and watching at least once a week. What do you think we as professional and student journalists can do to grab the attention of more students and more teenagers and make them Pay Attention to the news . Isi know the Freedom Forum concerned about and has been for a long time and concerned as well, a polar reflected that many students, far too few have no appreciation of the First Amendment and about 30 of them really do not know what it was all about. And i, i think that is marginally processed of education. You would think given the possibility that many young people will soon be serving in the military, in a danger zone, in harms way. You would think that in and of itself would serve as a magnet to cool young people into butvision or news magazine cost associations may well because they may well affect their lives and their safety. Problem. A new throughout my life in journalism, we have always worried and tried to find ways to attract young people to the news. I am encouraged though that when someone asks a question like john did about how many of you get your news from the internet, it shows there is a great opportunity offered to us by this electronic world. The wired world. And maybe after all of these years, that wired world will provide the magnet we have been looking for all of these years. Walter from south carolina. What has been the most important experience of your life and how has it affected your approach to journalism . Most important experience of my life . To say whathesitant was the biggest story or most important interview. Things have affected my life and i am not sure i can point to one. I would say in the last, in the last several years, one of the stories you talked about the Civil Rights Movement being one of the defining stores of your life, world war ii being the life. Ng story of als i think 9 11 is one of the defined stories of my life. Forink i lived in new york five years and i live in connecticut now. I moved out of new york just before 9 11. I was driving into new york to work the morning of 9 11 and got. Own to Lower Manhattan unfortunately, and time to see the second tower come down. It is something i will never forget. It has forever changed our lives. The impact it is had on this country and impact on security and flying and the way we live. Part of living in the new york area and those who live in a washington, d. C. , they know the same feeling. Feltlt comfortable and we as if we were safe. I have a seven year old son who was growing up in this world and was younger but well aware something bad was going on. He saw the concern on his parents face and asked about it. I do not think it will go away anytime soon. I do not think i think it is a story will be covered for a very long time. Changes our innocence. It is if the country had eight and now it is gone. We will live with them for the rest of my life and i hope my son will not have to live with that for the rest of his life. I hope we can figure out a way to get back to the innocence. I am not sure i will see it in my lifetime unfortunately. Also from north carolina. We have been taught to cover issues objectively. When you are faced with a situation where you cannot offer your criticism, what is the best way to cover it . You are not sure of the best solution. You hear theen word objective, it is not a badto go to webster not to go to webster. There is a definition that suggests or defines the word as, a situation in which there is no distortion of proof. I think is a very good rule of journalism. A committee right now examining the guidelines of broadcasting. Publicworking on whether broadcasting needs to redefine its rules. There been documentaries that have been controversial. Objectivity came up. There are in during the values of journalism and objectivity is a perfectly fine word. Fairness is a very strong guide for a journalist. Balance is another word to look for. And i think those three words enduring values that have been part of journalism since it has called itself a profession. And i think there are professional standards in those maybe in this a , the most important and complete guide a young or old journalists can follow. It is a very important issue where there are so many ways to get your news. If you turn on a television, you see people who may look like news anchors or reporters giving their opinions. And sometimes the public does not know whether it is a reporter or a commentator. Difficult for viewers and readers to navigate the system. I believe that the most important thing for a journalist not my opinion but to provide as much information as i can to the viewers and let them make a decision on whether or not they want to take action. I live a buy. Le it is not a matter of what i think. I have opinions. That is the rule i live by. What is important as a journalist is not for me to sit here and give you my opinion. I believe what is the most important thing is to provide information to viewers and let them make the decision. I think you can provide as much information as you have. Maybe there are 12 sides to the story. You try to give as many as you can and let other people draw the conclusion. You do not draw the conclusion. That is what i think. David from washington, d. C. By k know, you are tagged that you were attacked by k attacked bygged by klanseme . How did it change your view on your job . Before the mob went after the freedom riders or me, they went after the journalist with cameras. A reporter from nbc was beaten that day and his camera was crushed. His cameraman was beaten and they took the camera and destroyed it. I had covered the sit in movement and the violence and i attended it. Sense of where the movement was going. I will tell you that as a reporter and editor, when in the it ins came to nashville, thely did not believe that students would be able to break that were overrs a century old. I think all of us, david haberstam, covered the movement on the weekends when does sitins would occur. I did not believe and i do not see he believed that in the end would come. The opposition was too strong. They would be beaten, not resist, and they would go to jail for sitting at a lunch counter. As the owner of the this is, forcing the business and to close. There was another option, you could serve them. I had great admiration for them. Them, as asome of young freshman and sophomores, and they were just determined that they could make that community reflect the world they read about in their history books. Where something called equality and justice. Thereould go downtown and was nothing that reflected the semblance of that. Their back and it was courage. I remember talking to one of the leaders, the Justice Department of new orleans, when i heard the second wave was coming and i knew the young woman directing it and i called her, her name is dianne nash. Knowd, young woman, do you i am with people in new orleans and they almost got killed. I said he you are going to get some people killed. And she almost laughed. All assigned, we our wills last night. We all signed. We know what lies ahead. I think at that moment, i began to understand the commitment that was moving them and ultimately, moved us all. Cannot go through the experience and interact with people like that and do not have a great admiration for them and respect for them. And, you cannot help but be know,sed with how, you the courage. A child should lead us. Those children led us. I say to all of you, you are very young. You are very young, but that power is still there. You can make you can have a real impact. At the children and the book about them and look heirhe influence, t concerted effort brought about it is a great lesson. Me and stillon for is and for all of us. Thank you. I am john from chicago. Considering the program and international reporting, one of the first things that came to mind for me is propaganda and to be of worldwide news organizations and sometimes direct government through force of people. My question is, your experience in that and what you have seen in other countries, specifically in that arena and especially. Ith increase globalization how both international and National News organizations use influence ay to government. What do you see as propaganda . A lot of the International Images we see that are not from our news organizations but come from those in the middle east depending the war in iraq and those issues. I am asking because i do not understand a lot about it. I understand a lot of us do not of the issues. Especially since ive been here, i have learned our president ial administration have members hired from the press corps is sent their and are directed to answer questions. I see some the International Propaganda and i was wondering. It goes back to the question asked earlier about how do you balance the story and make it a fair and accurate. That is what we are striving to do every day. You can watch and read newspapers or watch the news stations and make up your own mind about whether or not you are getting a point of view or information you think is fair. And provides you and that is of thea function listener, the viewer, or the reader i think. Make up has a right to their own mind about that. If they watch al jazeera, they are going to see Something Different than they see here in the United States. Is it fair . Seem to tell the whole truth all of the time. It may only tell one part of the story. For the viewers, they may believe that al jazeera tells them the truth. Often times, its point of view but as a journalist, if we keep asiving to tell the story accurately and fairly as we can, hopefully people would respond and they will listen and today will be better for it. For that you are right. We have recently had Government Agencies who have employed journalists. Once the government is involved in the process, it is propaganda. I think the president of the United States clearly understands that and makes it clear it is not something sanctioned that he has ended that practice. If anybody in his administration has the idea, there was some approval, they now know. And i think what he said would serve every president in the future, as a guide. I believe when the government iieives obviously world war and josef goebbels and in that history is something we should be aware of. Every body communications. Selling the lie, something government can do. Doall expect even when they not hire journalists to tell their stories, we all understand government knows how to put its best foot forward. The democratic, republican, it does not matter. Sometimes journalists, it is the role to look behind it and if it is misleading, expose it. You, the viewer, if you get a both sides or all of sides, you are better to decide for yourself. The danger is when the government or any institution tries to mislead you. If they get away with it, journalism does not do is a job. We have about five minutes. Joyce. This is for john junior. In terms of imagery, how explained should television the to convey a disaster like a tsunami . Explicit should television it be to convey a disaster like a tsunami . Program. Ends on the it is one we brought a with all of the time. With all of the time. Ve inally, i belie providing people with as much information as possible but there are matters of taste. I have a sevenyearold child who will walk in while the television is on, i want to from images like that. On the other hand, for nightly wes, sometimes dinnertime, choose as a matter of taste not to show certain pictures. And not to show images. Were notden days, you see them. You would not see those images. Nowadays, even though you may not see all of those images on terrible of the bodies laid out during the tsunami, you can go to the internet though and find pictures, the same pictures that were taken by news organizations and see them for yourself. There are many more choices. Of cable and the internet and the cspan and brian lamb. You have so many other ways to get information. If you do not feel you are getting the full story, i think that as i said, we make judgments about how important it is to put certain pictures on television. Those are judgment calls, but made for a couple of filters. Taste is one of them. I i most of the time believe that showing people as much as we can is the best way. Matt. You both are big advocates of the First Amendment. In a recent survey, a couple of statistics we found out were 75 of those across the country l to burn a flag. I was wondering, what you gentlemen think of our generation is about bringing the First Amendment. It seems like the meaning changes every generation. Let me speak to the flag for a minute. Male and i am white and i have had what i consider a privileged life. 1920,ere a woman in before 1920 and denied the right to vote by my government and not able to vote in elections, i would sing my country had betrayed me. I just might burn a new burn a flag to let washington know it was outrageous. There were women who demonstrated, used their First Amendment right to demonstrate and many went to jail and some went on hunger strikes in jail, another form of expression. They were forced fed. Better society today. They exercise every one of those First Amendment rights available assembly,peech, petition. Hundreds of thousands of them petitions the government and a free press covered their demonstrations. Finally after 144 years, we got justice women were allowed to vote. The Civil Rights Movement. The stump andm pulpit and street corners and peacefully assembled. They petitioned the government. Hundreds of thousands and a free press covered it. When people say, oh, First Amendment is a dusty document. What does it have to say about today that is relevant . We are a Better Society because it is there. It does not belong to journalists, it belongs to every body we benefit more than most others but cause it provides protections from government interference in reporting the news. He can say what he reports for nbc. I can see on a local show, newspapers and they will say what they believe without government interference. Bill clintonthat had control of the press during the Monica Lewinsky scandal, would the covers had been different . Embarrassingof the matters that the public and need to know about. They find out about through the press. If the government controls what the media said, the filter would be quite a different than the filters he is talking about. Is was thet first freedom by accident . There were 12 amendments. The third amendment became the first. It is important. They knew it and we should. It is worth preserving and protecting because as long as people can speak out and dissent and protest, there is a chance that a society is going to choose the right way. A good message to end it. We have a ran out of time. I want to thank Freedom Forum for bringing me together with my dad today. [applause] [captions Copyright National cable satellite corp. 2014] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] your questions were terrific. To allrry we did not get of them. That conversation was from 2005 between John Seigenthaler jr. And his son. He was a reporter for the in theean left to work office of attorney general, robert kennedy. The tennessean in 1962 and became the chair. He was the founding editorial director for usa today. Died friday in nashville. The funeral will be tomorrow in a nashville. Was 86. Genthaler sr. Next q a with george will. Questions from members of the house of commons. After that, a look at the 1964 republican president ial convention. You can keep in touch with Current Events from the capital using any phone, anytime with the radio on audio now. Simply call hear coverage and forums. Every weekday, listen to a recap of the events on washington today. You can hear the sunday Public Affairs events on sunday. Call this week on q a, our guest is author and columnist george will who discusses his latest book, a nice little place on the north side Wrigley Field at 100 which looks at the history and impact the home of the chicago cubs has had on the franchise. He also discusses his career as a syndicated columnist and the controversy surrounding one of his recent columns involving Sexual Assault on college campuses