What do you think . Call numbers on your screen. Or you can put your voice on the program via twitter, facebook and send us an maul email theere is the front page of wall street journal today. The lead headlines says egyptians are bracing for more bloodshed. There is a photo of egyptian soldiers guarding an area around a mosque in cairo where security crackdown left hundreds dead on the previous day. That number is close to 600 now with fights more expected. At the beginning of this piece goes this way. The deadly fight in egypts treets host josh rogan is here with us. Guest good morning. Host so tell us about this question. What is your sense of the aid issue at this point and roll into your answer. How much aid are we talking about . What does it mean to the country of i didnt want and what egypt and what kind of leverage does it have to the u. S. . Sure. The u. S. Is committed to giving 1. 3 million to the military aid and other support for the civilian government. The military aid has been going on for years. Its a result of the peace deal that president carter struck israel on the between and egypt and it has become a political football in this debate over how much should we pressure the Egyptian Government to abide by things like respect for human right, rule of law, refraining violence and civilians and all these other things now seem so persistent given the violence this week. Theres a lot of pressure for congress on the congress. And theres a few important things we should note here. The military aid for 2013 has already been given the military largely. Theres not a decision until about april of 2014. Both countries have pledged over 13 million. Were talking about saudi arabia and kuwait for the 10 times the u. S. Annual aid. So its unclear that a polling to the aid would have such a dramatic effect on the Egyptian Military. And third is the Obama Administration has been very clear that they are not interested in using the aid as political leverage and this issue has come up several times since the 2011 revolution. The position hasnt changed. We shouldnt expect that theyre going to change their mind and suspend the aid any time soon. Host describe the pressure in congress that you mentioned. How deep is it . How severe or heavy is that pressure and who is it coming from . Guest sure. The pressure for conditions on aid came from the morsi government was elected and Congress Passed into law several restrictions on the aid that would have required the Obama Administration to cut off the aid if the morsi government vnt having done several Different Things in the area of political and economic liberalization. The morsi government didnt do any of those things. E obama waived those restrictions and nullifying congressional attendance and gave egypt the aid anyway. Then what happened was there were several people in congress, the chairman of the state and foreign Appropriations Committee of the senate, but also marco rubioo, john mccain and others came up with ideas of increasing restrictions of the aid. So theres always a limit to what congress can force the administration to do here. And in the end, if the administration really wants to give the Egyptian Military aid, theyll find a way to do it. Host i want to read you one quote out of the wall street journal this morning and get you to elaborate if you can. There is a real possibility of civil war. This from one senior u. S. Official briefed on the intelligence. There is a dangerous possibility egypt goes away of syria. Your thoughts . Guest well, there are some sill sim layer theys and some sim layer theys and some areas that this is not syria. Weve seen a division. Oneonone side, you have saudi arabia and kuwait lining up with the military and the interim government sandft on the other side, you have turkey and qatar lining one the Muslim Brotherhood. You know, right now, i wasnt say that it wouldnt say it has reached the point of the civil war. Host what will you be looking for in the next couple of hours or days both here and in egypt . Guest were looking for signs that the military is going to violence andr much persian that it has persian cougs has conducted and allowed or some space. Hoping both sides will move into some sort of discussion that might lead to negotiation. In the end, theres very little that washington or any other foreign country can do to force the interim government to stop it, sort of campaign of violence against civilians. But, you know, the Egyptian Government at some point will decide that theyve done their job that theyve cleared the streets and its time to return to militants, calm and move onto the next stage, which is some sort of political process that may lead to some sort of reconciliation. Host josh rogin, thanks a lot for your time and your insight this morning. Of course. Host whether the u. S. Could cult off foreign aid to egypt, call the numbers on your screen pictures telling much of the story for today. Here are a couple of temperature in the New York Times. Men are carrying the body out of a relative out of a mosque in cairo to the right of that photo. The Washington Times. The egyptians mourning over the bodies of relatives in cairo on thursday as egypt face a new phase of uncertainty, they write. We have about two and a half minutes of tape from president obama yesterday on Marthas Vineyard on all of this and then well go to your calls. We appreciate the complexity of the situation. While Muhammad Morsi was elected president in a democratic election, his government was not inclusive. And did not respect the views of all egyptians. We know that many egyptians, millions of egyptians, perhaps even a majority of egyptians were calling for a change in course and while we do not believe that force is the way to resolve political differences, after the militarys intervention several weeks ago, there remained a chance for reconciliation and an opportunity to pursue a democratic path. Instead, weve seen a more dangerous path through arrests, abroad crackdown on mr. Morsis associations and supporters and now, tragically, the violence has taken the lives of hundreds of people and wounded thousands more. The United States strongly condemns the steps that have been taken by egypts interim government and security forces. We deplore violence against civilians. We support the universal rights essential to human dignity, including the right to peaceful protest. We oppose the pursuit of martial law, which denies those rights to citizens under the principal that security trumps individual freedom or that might makes right. And today, the United States extends its condolences to the families of those who were killed and those who were wounded. Given the depths of our partnership with egypt, our National Security interest in this pivotal part of the world and our belief that engagement can support a transition back to a democratically elected civilian government, we sustained our commitment to egypt and its people. But while we want to sustain our relationship with people, our cooperation cannot usual as continue as usual when civilians are being called on the streets. We notified the Egyptian Government that we are canceling our joint military exercise and was canceled for next month. Ive asked my team to assess the implications of the actions taken by the government and further steps that we may take as necessary with respect to the u. S. Egyptian relationship. Let me say it to the egyptian people deserve better than what weve seen over the last several days. Host and first up this morning, bret from clairemore, oklahoma, independent caller. Should u. S. Cut off aid to egypt in hi, bret. Caller hi. Thank you for cspan. Thank you for taking my call. Yes. Whether or not the all that chaos thats going on in egypt, i think theyre going to have a hard time finding anybody that favors foreign aid period. Thats just my opinion. Their need to cut off all foreign aid. Host to facebook, linda writes theyre trying to maintain a little leverage on the military regarding the action they take now. She writes we need to have thoughtful not to have knee jerk action. In the meantime, melissa writes yes, it is time for america to stop the funding of terrorism. And at twitter this morning, tyler writes that i think obama should consider it, but if we do cut aid, egypts security would be vulnerable and extremists could take over. So differing viewpoints out there so far. And jonathan is our next call from lancaster, pennsylvania, republican. Good morning. Caller good morning. I want to make the point that the entire middle east is imploding. That egypt and syria, lebanon, its on the news, if you watch of it. U get more theyre going to totally destroy the infrastructure of all those countries. The level of violence has reached a crescendo. Theyre going to destroy the grids and the sewage and theres going to be deaths and disease. My point is theres nothing we can do about it. Host what does all of this mean to this country then, baseed on what youre saying . Caller theres not going to be anything coming out of the middle east. Its going to be reduced to medieval level of existence. Host thanks, john. Victoria on the line from florida. Republican as well. Good morning. Caller good morning to you too, and good morning to all americans. I would just say that our democracy is something very unique and we have our problems as well, just in our democracy. I mean, look at our senators and congressmen and how theyre dealing with people. I mean, our people, we, the people, want things done in our congress and in our senate and theyre not listening to us and then we are trying to tell other nations to obey by our democracy. I think theyre trying to build democracy based on their situation and beliefs and our forefathers had a very unique way of putting a constitution together for we, the people. And i hope and pray that it will be that way for other nations, too. But i dont think that we need to be messing around threatening them by cutting them off from aid. Host thanks for calling, victoria. I want to get some other voices in here. From twitter, lets not only cut off current aid. Lets ask for a refund on past aid and use it for u. S. Infrastructure. Back to the numbers regarding u. S. Aid to egypt. In 2012, 1. 5 billion went to egypt and 2. 7 million went to the economy. So that was 2012. 2013, 1. 3 billion, and 1. 7 million on the economy. And heres the request for this coming fiscal year moving forward. 1. 3 billion for military aid for egypt and 1. 3 million for economic aid so were asking you whether the u. S. Should cut off foreign aid to egypt. Getting differing opinions here. There is somewhat of a push in congress for this. But does josh rogen, our reporter guest says its not likely to happen. We have parkville, maryland, on the line, nate a democrat. Caller ok, terrific. Im just wondering aid cant be as josh roe begin cut off until 2014 but maybe we should have more creative solutions. Host u. S. A. Today has this poll out. Its in todays edition and its on the new section, of course, page 7a. They talked to people or at least pew talked to people saying egyptian seems less important to u. S. Interest. They compared 2011, february, 2011, with the present day. How important is egypt . Very important a couple of years ago. Much less important now, 36 , according to the pew poll. Somewhat important. It was 38 a couple of years ago. And 47 today. Not at all very important, 14 today, or july 2013. And how much u. S. Influence can there be in the same poll . So when they talk to folks recently, 23 said a lot of influence. 48 said some. And 23 said not much or none. We have a call from the United Arab Emirates this morning. Its judah. Go ahead, please. Caller good morning, sir. Host good morning. Caller i have to tell you as ive been watching the coverage nadia g ignorance seems to be the code of the day. Im over here and the tape that you guys have on the show for the majority of callers and the majority of your guests is totally off base. For the most part, everyone over here feels that the people that are causing anarchy on the street, the images are very peaceful country. The Muslim Brotherhood has cause thrs problem and let it be known several weeks ago when morsi was taken out of office. They stated they would do this. Yet somehow, you the media and others are considered them protestors. Well, theyre protestors with ak47s. Theyre protestors with molotov cocktail. What is the military there to do . Host let me jump in and get you to the aid question. What should the u. S. Do at this point . Continue it. Caller the fact that you have Congress Asking that question, its lunacy. Were giving them 1. 56 billion . Well, saudi arabia, just gave them 13 million. Host what are you doing in the u. A. E. . Caller im teaching over here. ve got to tell you. This is not the same children that wanted rights and mtv and a job. This is not whats going on there. Theres cyanide, al qaeda all these people are trying to overthrow this government. And cspan let me finish this. Just give me 30 seconds. I understand that youre there to provide a forum. But hell, man. You get the most ignorant bizarre off base nonsense. You cannot just let that go unchallenged. Youre better than that and you have a broader responsibility. Host all right, judah, thank you for your points this friday morning. And to one of his earlier points, were funded by the cable industry, cspan is. Back to the papers. More from the wall street journal piece this morning. The conventional wisdom, they write here, shared by both the u. S. And its allies in israel. Egypt has been a cohesive society, free of the stark sec taper division that have fueled so much unrest in countries like syria, lebanon and iraq. They go onto write that while the u. S. Intelligence community saw trouble brewing in egypt for months, analysts are contemplating the unthinkable prospect of a longterm period of violence between sec scomplar islamic group. Theres a real responsibility of civil wars. There is a dangerous possibility egypt goes the way of syria. James is calling from miami now. Independent line. What do you think about the aid question . Should the u. S. Be cutting it off . James, are you there . Caller yes. Host go ahead, sir. Theer well, my question is u. S. Should be cutting off ilitary aid immediately. The military has too much power. They should cut off all aid to the middle east immediately. The military in egypt has too much, too much power. Host thanks for calling, james, as we continue to tap into the al jazeera coverage of the story in egypt. And here is a tweet this morning. What does it matter what americans think about egypt aid . Congress will do as they wish. And back to facebook. Darryl writes frankly all foreign said should be aid should be suspended as the u. S. Is currently borrowing money from china. The notion that the money should be turned around and sent to other country is absurd. The cold war is over and you cant buy friends and you cant bribe your enemies. In other news, well go back to egypt in a moment but i want to show you this banner headline in the washington journal this morning. An audit said that the n. S. A. Repeatedly broke privacy rules who has been on this story for quite some time. Writes this morning that the n. S. A. Overstep its legal authorities thousands of times this year host back to the egypt question about aid. Bob is hanging on in manassas, virginia, democrat. Thank you for waiting, bob. Caller yeah, we should not pull the funding. If we do, we will support the radicals. The only stabilizing force in egypt is the military. Theyre western professional folks. They do not theyre not like a third world country like the folks in south america. These guys are trying to stabilize the situation. They responded because the brotherhood was taunting them. They did overrespond, but the brotherhood after they got the thats going on, they went and destroyed 50 churches and christian organizations in egypt has retaliation. Theyre hiding in the buildings. Judah is exactly correct. There should not be allowed to be empowered to the same type of folks who were in iran when they did their revolution. So as the guys are a bunch of radicals. We should not support them. We should support the military in egypt. Host ok. Joseph writes via twitter. The Egyptian Army supports democracy at the point of a gun . He asks. Scott from cincinnati. Hi, scott. Caller hello. I really had a question that would be able to answer the idea of whether we should continue the aid or not. It really is we had a direct declaration of inns and then that it stated why we thought king george was a tyrant and we listed all the Different Reasons we believe he was a tyrant. Is there anything that somebody in egypt is doing or some group in egypt is putting together a list because of x, y, and z. Im not aware of anything like that and that would probably help me understand this better if he was a tyrant, it wasnt really a democracy at that point or it wasnt really a legitimate government and it seemed there was really no process to remove him from office other than having the military take him, remove him from the position. So in a way, youre like it seems to me as if that was the only process to be able there was no way to impeach him. So that was kind of a legitimate way, but what id like to see is some sort of list of what grievances the people had and how they could classify morsi as a tyrant. Is anyone aware of a list like that thats been put out by any organization . Host all right. Hat was scott from cincinnati. Host theres a headline on the New York Times its an embarrassment to egypts general. It lays bare both the Obama Administrations limited options to curb the militarys campaign against islamists in egypt and the United States role as an increasingly frustrating bystafford. Bystander. Companion story on the front page of the times talks about a tense cairo and islamist looking for their next move. The beginning of it goes this way. Gathering thursday morning around a mosque used as a morgue for hundreds killed the day before. Many islamists waiting for a search of sympathetic support from the broader public but it failed to materialize. With their leaders jailed, well try to keep you up to date on the death toll the