People look. The protocol that was designed to bring together hvac systems and Industrial Systems that were running in businesses like this one. If you wanted the air conditioning to talk to the garage or the alarm, you could use this to do that. Echelon makes the system and they are stackable. There is a place in denmark that has one place controlling all the controllers in the city. The lower controllers were passwordprotected but the upper one that controls everything was not. I found a place that was like a Convention Center under that basketball floor, i guess, is an ice rink that you can defrost if you are up to it. Why these controllers are online, i am not sure. I am guessing it is for the convenience of the organization. They should have taken five minutes to think about what they were doing before they put it on the internet and i found it. They have conveniently placed their floor plans on their website so you want to mess with certain parts of the building, you can. Other organizations that are controlled by this system another version of this talk has another dozen of these things that is controlled by the same unit. You get into one and can control the rest. Itd think your phones are safe, maybe, depends. This is a screenshot of an application you can install on an android phone. This is a phone that someone has set up in the living room is publicly accessible that is monitoring their living room. You can sit there and watch what they are doing in their living room. Not only can you watch the video, you can use drop on the room. If you really want to scare them, you wait until it gets dark and you can turn the flash on and off. You can morse code at them with the phone. You can tell that to these things and put them into test mode. You can mess with stoplights. I guess people went back to the 1990s, security, security, i will put it on the internet and no one will find it. You can scan the internet over and over again and keep finding this stuff. I will keep doing it and keep laughing at the guys that do this. The idea that you can put something online it will be safe if you dont tell anyone about it is not a good idea. This is another fun find. It has a website, or i should say the units that are deployed that have web interfaces that look like this. They keep track of every single car that drives to the intersection. I thought the red light cameras but they actually take pictures of everyone. Why that is, i am not sure. A c, you can change the destination place where they go. This is a french hydroelectric plant that i found it is directly connected to the internet. I did not let the job or run because i thought it was a malicious website. Yes, that does read kilowatt. This is a french hydroelectric plant on the internet that is still online today. Ive a story that involved our government and the french government talking and he basically said, eh, and left it. The french really like their hydroelectric plants on the internet. Other people have found this hydroelectric plant and broken it and cause it to flood people. Apparently it is still open and people can still get to it. I put that on twitter. The dhs called me, so police they are listening. The french really do like to leave their power plants online. Heres another one, and a third, and a fourth. After four, i give up. Satellite systems are online as well. Storage arrays, Emergency Telecommunications equipment, home automation systems, you can control a guys garage door if you want. Swimming pool why would you put a Swimming Pool on the internet . I dont know. Why would you give me control of the acid pump controlled by the system . You can put it into manual mode the acid into the pool. Openly, publicly. Anyone who knows the ip address of the system would be able to dump the acid into the pool. Ge system that is meant to link together m. R. I. Systems. Wikipedia has an article that says it is like 27 of them that talk to each other. Some genius thought it would be a good idea to put that on the internet. Medical stuff, imaging. So, i went looking for it and i found a lot of them. Direct the connected to the internet. This is what it looks like when you search for ge centricity. When you look at this, it you can see some stuff. I looked it up and it turns out it is a breast, liver, and prostate imaging tools that is used is hospital. This is publicly accessible on the internet. Why are people putting this on . Im sorry, im like two minutes over. People are telling me im going to have to thank you very much. Thank you for the time. Talks about environmental policy and politics. Here is a preview. How big of an issue will this be in 2014 . It it ise that race, 80 of that whole campaign in terms of what it is about. I dont think that is going to be unusual. It is a huge issue. Would you like to see her defeated . Yes by supporting ultraliberals the disagree with mainstream. Ouisiana thought what is your relationship like with her . Ondr. Jekyll and mr. Hyde louisianabased nonideological issues. Andork closely together hurricane recovery after hurricane katrina. On national issues, which tend , wee much or ideological constantly disagree. A louisiana issue, describe. Ow you work the gulf coast was devastated by the bp oil spill. Since there has been no new federal action to perform the regulations on the offshore oil industry. What should happen in this case . Are you and senator landrieu talking about that . I disagree with your premise. There hasnt been a new statute passed that has been a redo of offshore regulation. A whole new worlds. I think in some instances, gone too far and added unnecessary burden that does not improve safety. Whatever you think about individual regulation, it has been a redo of offshore oil and grass oil and gas regulation. Watch the entire interview sunday at 10 00 and 6 00 here on cspan. Is 2013 wraps up, we are here to tell you about our cspan year in review series. I look at five issues we have looked at over the past year. Laws,ok Immigration Senate filibuster rule changes, nsa surveillance on wednesday. Thursday, gun laws. Friday, the Government Shutdown. Beginningarts monday at 8 00 eastern on cspan. Tablee joined at the by senator tom coburn, republican from oklahoma, here to talk about his newest waste book which he has put out for the last several years. You are also a member of the select Intelligence Committee on capitol hill. We want to get your take on the recommendations from the panel on reining in the nsa that came out yesterday. What do you make of those recommendations and what do you think congress and the president can do with them . We have been busy. I havent thoroughly studied that. I will look at the recommendations. I dont agree there should be a civilian director. There is too much ordination. I have sat on this committee for 3. 5 years. What is in the press is oftentimes erroneous, but you cant state that it is erroneous without compromising other things. Senator feinstein and senator chambliss are often perilous to correct things that are in the media. The second thing i would say is that a lot of what is put out, what mr. Snowden has put out is erroneous, but you cant say how it is erroneous without compromising our own national security. I think some mistakes have been made. There is no question about that. Of the most thoroughly oversight it agencies oversighted agencies. Time ins a week i spent a closed review oversighting this agency. What they have done, how they have helped secure this country without dilating privacy rights of americans violating privacy rights of americans do you think that is pfizer he panel that was put together was the right group of Advisory Panel that was put together with the right group of people . Guest i dont want to cast judgment on that. I am pretty much known as an independent thinker. I lean more towards the libertarian side. I am not real worried about what nsa has been doing based on what i have seen in the protections that have been put in place to protect Civil Liberties through what they have done. We live in a very different world today than we did 1015 years ago. I am not for giving away our freedoms to give ourselves protection. But they have been reined in significantly, but have also done a very effective job. Of your other efforts for the past several years has been to put together the waste book, as you call it. Calling out wasteful government spending. The waste book tallied some 30 billion in wasteful, unnecessary government spending. That is the highest total of any of your previous waste books. Was this a particularly bad year or was the waste just easier to find . Oh i would be careful with the numbers. The last one was 25 billion. We are spending money on things we dont have on things we dont absolutely need. Interesting hearing your last conversation on bernanke. Bernanke did not have any help from the u. S. Congress. We have the monetary policy, that is what the fed can do. But there was no positive fiscal policy from the u. S. Congress. Same thing goes for the spending. Administrations can do so much. But if the congress is not going to oversight but the administration is doing, isnt going to be specific when the right legislation, isnt going to expose waste through an oversight hearing and Holding People accountable, then you are going to continue to have it. Host if people want to see the waste book itself, you can find t at cockburn. Senate. Gov urn. Senate. Gov. Is this book meant for members of congress . Guest it is for both. These are some real problems. Disagreepeople will with me on whether that is appropriate spending. Au cannot disagree that in time when we are borrowing 750 billion those things cant be a priority. Host what are the things you highlight . Study to a yale professor for 400,000 to assess the intellectual capabilities of tea partiers. The focus of that study was to people or constitutional conservatives dont have the intellectual capacity that other people have. The study surprised because theyre smarter on average than the average voter. Is funding through nsf. There was a political purpose to it. That, thenoing to do do it with private money. That is all borrowed money. Billion in this thing is borrowed money. We are borrowing it against our future. Maybe it is a good thing to if wethat, but if it is, have to borrow money to study it right now, when we are in trouble as a nation, should we be doing that now . Lets say you of a completely different political philosophy than i do and you think we are to look at that. Should we look at it now . When we are borrowing the money to do it . Or should maybe we wait and have some judgment and maybe not spend money on somewhat questionable things . Especially in light of that they could be challenge from a political perspective. Maybe we ought not to spend the money until we get our house in order. Host you bring up the Government Shutdown as one of the big waists. Talk about the waste you see in the Government Shutdown. Guest you didnt have to shut it down, one. You paid 300 million to federal employees for not working. You pay them anyway. The amounts of money we are itwing here would have kept from shutting down. 30 billion is half of what the sequester was per year on a discretionary budget. If congress would do their job and create an expectation that you will not get away with spending money stupidly or ,rivolously or not following up you would change spending habits. Here30 billion outlined in you would not have to have a Government Shutdown. Host who puts together the waste book . Guest my staff. We are constantly this is not hard to do. Compiling it at the end is what is hard to do, to make sure you have no errors. The last third of it is nothing with footnotes and references where we got the information and with the bases of it is. Part is not collecting the information, but put it out there were people dont think you are totally being have a biased source. Everything is sourced and legitimately so. This is a third of what we could have put out. Be going through specific examples from the waste book for about the next 40 minutes or so on the washington journal. If you want to call and ask him about the waste book and have some thoughts on it, he is here to answer your questions and talk about it. Republicans, 202 5853881. Democrats, 202 5853880. Independents, 202 5853882. Outside the u. S. , 202 5853883. Jesse in virginia beach, virginia. Republican line. Caller hello, senator. Guest good morning. Caller on 9 11, Building Seven was not hit by a plane. Would you be willing to meet with and review the evidence about the controlled the motion representatives host we will try to stick to the waste book question. Guest we will look at that. I will not spend a lot of time meeting with people. We will certainly look at it. Host julie from los angeles, california. Good morning. Caller good morning. Hi, senator coburn. When you are doing senate , i found your interactions were particularly mineral memorable and im loving the goatee. [laughter] there are brilliant people. Unlike most Supreme Court justices, sometimes i agree with what they are doing and sometimes i dont. I dont think it really matters. The questions you hear are really interesting as they hear cases. Packed from the fact that they are both interesting individuals. I think theyre doing fine. Judgment which coincides with justice if you have open and clear judgment and it is willing andook at the constitution look at the facts of the case ,nd it is done out in the open essentially with a hearing before the justices one of the things i would like to say to the Supreme Court is documentation of their meetings as they decide these cases behind closed doors so that we can have more insight into what the discussions were before we see the a patient opinion and dissenting opinion. Host how did you feel about having cameras . Guest i think cameras and courts are terrible. Just like cameras in the house of called all sorts of acting out, just the same as the senate. Camera,ook at thie the dont look at each other. I believe courts ought to be open, we are to hear it. I am not a big fan, because of what i have seen happen in courts, i dont even like court tv because of all the theatrics that go on. Host we are talking about your waste book this morning. Put out earlier this week. Is there one specific example and here that particularly hooked you or surprised you . Orst theres always one two. When you see stuff done for political purposes the the agencies i dont like that. Funding that like the ought to be is very careful to make sure we are not trying to make a judgment about political for loss of the. Philosophy. Is this a study we need to know . And what value is it . In thathere a bias are you trying to get a certain outcome . Sometimes at nih, you see that. The things that bother me are poor decisionmaking that never gets held accountable. Million spent on airplanes that we will not use. They went to arizona to the bone after they came off the factory line. The person who made that decision did not get fired. Not held accountable. The people that make the decisions they are not held accountable. The companies that provide things to the federalthe compane thanks to the federal government who do not perform, we do not take them to court to give the federal Government Back their money. We spent 300 million on a blimp for warfare observation. An army blimp that flew one time in new jersey, not afghanistan. It did not meet the requirements so we sold it back to the manufacturer for three hundred thousand dollars. Who made the decision to do that . Who is held accountable . What general independent i is forced to retire . Pentagoneneral in the is forced to retire . We never hold people accountable in the federal government. They cioast. We do not hold individuals accountable or the contractors who did not deliver. Some numbers the federal government spends over 80 billion a year on i. T. 80 billion. When you take all the gao and ig reports and the contracts that are over that are high risk by gao. It is estimated that over half of everything we spent every year on i. T. Gets thrown away. 40 billion. That is more than everything in this book just on i. T. In the federal government. We are now Holding People accountable. The administration did not do it, congress does not do it. The number one problem is congress. Congressy members of is really awaiting publication of the wastebook each year. This is the fourth year you have done it. Here is a tweet from senator rand paul. The 65 million in Hurricane Sandy relief money spent on Television Ads promoting torres and in new york and new jersey. Wastebook. Talking with senator coburn about his wastebook. 30 billion in spending listed in the wastebook. Jonathan from georgia on our line for independents. Good morning. Caller good morning. My comment is actually it is on the oversight of the nsa. I think it applies to waste as well. It is always a case of the fox guarding the house. Henhouse. It is an issue of public trust. When you look at spy abuse, i look at this close to previously dealing with it was not until the breakin and the fbi that we discovered the abuse. Then you had the Church Commission to actually look further. To the nsailarly scandal, you had the snowden affair that expose wrongdoing. You had clapper come on and lie to the American People. I think those recommendations coming out should be looked at closely. I think it requires some type of Church Commission. Isthe waste part, i think it the public trust level of our government. Congress and senate and the president , of course. It is at an alltime low. They are saying trust us to oversight ourselves. Host james on twitter writes in. We are spending 50 billion a year on snooping on americans. Are we getting our moneys worth . Guest that number is not accurate. Think the independent caller made a great point. We do have a crisis of confidence in our country. That is based on lack of effective leadership. Both by the president , the house, and the senate. Why would you think we are doing why would we be at 6 approval looking at what we have done. The Senate Majority leader which lack the Senate Majority too high. T is way you have to have been living in a hole or known nothing about the u. S. Senate to think we should have a 6 approval rating. The senate was designed b