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CSPAN Washington Journal July 18, 2014

Debris and bodies are still being recovered. It is friday morning, july 18, detailsill learn more about what happened, reaction, your calls, and comments. Our phone lines are open, and if you are watching or listening outside the United States, the number is 202 5853883. Otherwise for democrats, 202 5853880, and for republicans, 202 5853881. We also have a line for independents. You can join us on twitter or facebook, you can also send us an email, journal cspan. Org. Good friday morning to you on the washington journal. Lets begin with two international headlines. First from the Guardian Newspaper murder in the sky, missile destroys jet and kills2 295. Now the death toll is 298. And from the globe and mail in canada shot down. A second black box has been recovered. The Chicago Tribune writing workersrescue recovering a second recorder. Ukraine agreed to provide assistance into the investigation into the boeing 777 airliner. The ukraine rebels say they will insure a safe access for International Experts investigating the crash. Kiev had complained the separatists had originally prevented officials from reaching the site in which all 298 people on board were killed. The separatists were later quoted as saying they had found one of the black box flight recorders. And again word this morning that a second black box has also been recovered. And this editorial from the new putinimes if vladimir can stop this war, growing casualties on the ground host that is this morning from the New York Times. Shane harris is following the story for Foreign Policy magazine. He is joining us on the phone. Thank you for being with us. Guest hi, steve. Host more questions than answers this morning. What have you found . Guest what is interesting to me is u. S. Intelligence officials are now confirming that this was a missile strike. Our intelligence indicates that clearly andl theyre focusing on a particular type of surface to air missile that the russians are believed to have provided to separatists in the region, and dismissal wouldve had the range to shoot airliner, and the separatists have been boasting in recent days of shooting down ukrainian aircraft, including cargo aircraft and fighter jets. The white house is very carefully avoiding pinning the blame directly on the separatists, but they issued a Statement Last night saying the incident highlights the urgency with which we continue russia to deescalate the situation, and while we do not have the facts, we know this incident occurred in the context of the crisis in ukraines fuel by Russian Support for separatists, including through arms, material, and training. So without really pinpointing this on the separatist, the white house is to be leaning heavily in that direction, which of course leads back to moscow. I think you will probably hear in coming days the administration calling on Vladimir Putin to do just what is being said in those editorials, to take more steps to end this crisis now. Host interestingly enough, Vladimir Putin blaming the instability on the region but did not put any of the blame on his own government or those who are supplying these weapons to the separatist chechen rebels. Guest right, which i think its unsurprising. He has been distancing himself to some degree from these rebel forces, which i think he has been propping up with material but also politically propping up more following the annexation of crimea. Some of the separatists have been feeling that they do not get the support that they want from moscow. Talked to sayve he has created a monster in a way and that it seems to be getting beyond his control. U. S. Officials have stressed in recent weeks that if putin wanted to, forward and say to the rebels standdown, we have accomplished the mission, that they would probably follow his lead on that, so he is going to bear i think a measure of the responsible before this incident once it is pretty definitively placed on the separatists who shot on this plan, which i think it will be. Host the other story getting a lot of attention, the headline from the New York Times Israeli Ground troops now moving into gaza. Where does this put the president , president clinton, the sanctions he announced on wednesday, now the escalation of the war in the middle east . Guest it is pretty extraordinary i think for any president to have this many foreign crises erupting as once. As we were covering the shootdown of the airliner to suddenly see the news of the ground incursion into gaza, but at the same time i think that ,as expected for a few days since the israelis have been sending signals on that. And i think probably u. S. Attention is going to focus in the nearterm more closely on this issue of the shootdown. The israelis have said already that the ground operation in gaza is going to be limited strictly to trying to close these tunnels that hamas has been using to move people and supplies, and the United States has come out with a statement on that saying that they will hold the israelis to that and expected to be limited. So it is a lot of crises to manage at one time, obviously, but i think for now the russian shootdown in ukraine is probably going to consume more of the immediate attention. Host if you could try to put this in perspective because the president did announce the se sanctions against russian companies, tougher sanctions. He president was on the phone with president putin when the first word came of that downed jetliner, and of course information was sketchy at that point. Much more information now. Try to put the last 48 hours in perspective, what we are from the white house, these sanctions, the situation in ukraine, and now this Malaysian Airliner. The u. S. Ure right, was already ramping up another round of stations on russia, and the White House Administration has been getting a lot of push back from businesses, European Countries as well, to almost ordered go easy on the sanctions, so the administration was already facing a tension about how tough they should go on the sanctions, and of course this news broke. I think the immediate question that became are sanctions going to do any good at all . How would sanctions have stopped what appears to be rebel forces firing into the sky and shooting down civilian airliners . I think what is going to happen now is it is going to force the administration to sort of up its restaurant russia with more than sanctions and to come out with something in the way of demand, have putin step forward and put an end to this crisis. There may be some calls in congress to more heavily armed the Ukrainian Military as well, to get them to be able to take out some of these missile batteries. At this point, sanctions it already seems like something of not having that was a deterrent effect on putin, and i cannot imagine that increased sanctions even called for would be seen as having much more of an effect now. Host if you are listening on cspan real, we are talking with shane harris of Foreign Policy magazine, and the Senate Intelligence committee did have a closeddoor briefing yesterday. We heard from senator dianne feinstein. At that point, the information was not clear. There was a missile strike. Now more information a this morning. What will congress be doing on any of this . Guest i think what congress can do at this point has put a lot of pressure again on moscow by coming out after getting these kinds of briefings. What they will do is come out with their own statements. They already had yesterday by pointing the finger at russia and create a chorus of opposition to putin. Importantly, they will be hitting information from the intelligence agency, so everything they know will be coming from the demonstration effectively, but to the extent that they start coming out and calling on putin to take steps in calling on the administration to put up the pressure, that is going to kind of create a chorus of opposition against moscow mightill hopefully even create some consensus in washington, which would be a rare thing in these days. That is what we should be watching for. And then whether or not there will be calls to more fully provide support to the Ukrainian Military. Of course the question then would become would the United States get more directly involved . There is no indication of that yet. You will see calls from congress to step this up politically on moscow. Host shane harris, who began the week with us on this weeks washington journal this past sunday, it turned out to be a far busier week that even you had expected when you join us on sunday. Thank you for being with us on this friday morning. We will get to your calls and, than just a moment on the investigation into that Malaysian Airliner crash. Powerful minds are open. You can also join us on twitter cspanwj. Couple other headlines justices from the Arizona Republic blown out of the skies. And from the denver post flight shot down. Host since putin appears almost immune to embarrassment and has himself authorized intal collateral form of loss innocent lives. This morning from the editorial page of the denver oh peter is joining us from rockford, illinois. Good morning to you. Good morning. Back in march, the fifth i believe, that is when israel missiles and rockets and fired into syr ia because it was said that syria was moving some kind of reference. Weapons. I think they broke some kind of law when they did a. About three days later, when he lay one down then, and then, and in breaking into the airway, they knocked what israel did off of the airwaves. They talkedso all about was the plane for about three months. And the same thing that happened here, israel shot those, was responsible for four kids dying, not to mention i think 300 other people. Host we go to john joining us from north carolina. Good morning to you, john. Caller good morning to you, sir. Can you hear me . Host we sure can. Go ahead with your comment. Find that the obama our country goes about things. We should be really cautious about this event because a lot of things happened there. Us ifould be very bad for we make a bad decision about a country who may have did something who didnt do it. It is a very powerful country. So it is smart for us to say hey, lets see what happens. We need to be careful of making wild ideas, a lot of wrapping up about somebody who may not be guilty. Host ok, thank you for the call. You are looking at pictures from overnight of the recovery continues. You can see a part of the wheel well from the plane that is strewn in ukraine, i get about 35 miles from the russian border. The plane that went down was en route from amsterdam to kuala lumpur. So far, no reports of any americans on board that plane. Most are from europe. Good morning. Welcome to the program. You are on the air. Caller i would like to talk about what i heard on the news 1983 withincident in the korean 2007 plane. The first time i heard yesterday was a politician saying that the russian people shot down the plane and then they denied it and later on they said yes. , oh, gosh, i cannot find the words. He had come out and said yes, they were spying, and they were wentaying that the 007 over the island, which was the new center of Russian Missiles and stuff. Host right. And ironically, yesterday was the 18th anniversary of that twa flight 800 that went down just over long island. Of course, the indication, later investigation found there was an explosion on board the plane. The information right now is that this was a missile strike. Our phone lines are open if you want to share your comments about the investigation into the Malaysian Airlines crash, and u. S. Sources confirming that a missile was involved. 202 5853880 our line for democrats. 202 5853881 for republicans. We also welcome our viewers and listeners outside the United States. This editorial from the heinouston post a crime. Those responsible for downing a passenger plane over you the ukraine must be held accountable. The editorial points out that the white house continues to avoid measures that could inflict crushing damage on host that is this morning from the Washington Post. Darrell is joining us from defiant, new jersey. Caller it kind of remind me of the iranian plane that we shut down with civilian passengers on board. But anyway, this is what we get when we spend 5 billion to destabilize ukraine. What did we think we were going to get . Maybe the palestinians can get some of those missiles to use on that arehe f16s slaughtering palestinian everyday, not a peep from the media and people like you. Why dont you do is on israel and what they are doing in palestine . We have, caller, we split that up with host we have, caller, we brought that up with shane harris. If you want to watch that program, by the way, as all of our programs available on our website at cspan. Org. We will get two more of your calls in just a moment, but i want to share with you. This is the description from the front page of the New York Times. The headlinesays s, jetlen bodie parts, and a childs pink book. Host there were no houses in the immediate vicinity. The only visible structure was a poultry operation with long white coops in the distance. Again, the front page, the description on the ground from the New York Times. Kevin is joining us from wesley chapel, florida. Good morning to you. Caller good morning. I think what we need to look at is how the system of notifications of pilots broke down. There is a notice to airmen. The notice to airmen should be a red flag to a pilot that you just do not go into this area. And we have war zones all across the world right now. Malaysia airlines should be extremely security conscience because they already lost a to the worldwide muslim conflicts that are going on. So i think it is a breakdown of the preflight nationalism of the professionalism of nato, a breakdown of the professionalism of the southeast treaty alliance. I think the lines of medication and demarcation with the airlines needs to be reinforced, but to me, the blame should look to the system and why the system is breaking down in these areas. Host kevin, thank you for the call. Front page of the Financial Times airliner shot over ukraine, prorussia militants accused of the attack. And this from usa today. Gary has us on our order page saying nothing to do with russia, it is a local problem, should be addressed by our european allies. We have got our own incursion issue. And russia today has been posting a number of photographs. We can listen to ray from jacksonville, florida. Good morning. Caller hi. Point, ift to make a were going to try to hold russia accountable for this accident, they also hold the United States accountable when we shut down thats iranian jetliner and killed 200 and some odd people. Host ok. Thank you for the call. Next is liam joining us from philadelphia. Good morning. Caller good morning. This is awesome. Season, you are awesome. In terms of the plan, i am not exactly sure how the United States foreignpolicy was played into this. Like, exactly what is can you hold someone responsible for something for somebody like this when a plane is flying over an active war zone . Host liam, thank you for the call from philadelphia. The l. A. Times with more on what was to be believed to be responsible for the strike am i for the strike, a powerful buk missile launcher. What brought down that jet, a single buk missile liner has a 60 to 90 chance of downing an aircraft. It requires a multiperson of a welltrained crew to operate, and the launcher can carry multiple missiles. Joining us from portland, oregon. Good morning. Caller good morning, sir. I enjoy cspan, and this is a great way to allow citizens throughout the United States to rest their feeling and get out , so i salutetion your efforts and it is a great show. My comment is really sure. I agree with the reference to sanctions by financing. I think that would be an excellent idea and needs to be on the table. Secondly, i think there needs to be a challenge to the u. N. Be the. It supposed to world policy regulatory body that keeps everything accountable, yet they have been silent. It is almost as if they are what i call frozen chosens. They are for their own special interests, but not governing the world. Thank you for the show and allowing me to have my comment. Host kelvin, thank you for the call. From inside the New York Times disastertory, the air stricken the moscows competing strategy on ukrainian rebels. The piece points out that a quote from dmitry tennent, director of the carnegie moscow center, it is an extremely awkward moment for the kremlin, saying that everybody in the west is already pointing fingers at the kremlin. They are not waiting for an inquiry theyre blaming russia today. Host next is robert joining us from arizona. Good morning. Caller good morning. I think our president should work with mr. Putin and investigate some of the circumstances leading up to this and also work with the u. N. Thank you. Host thank you for the call. Another story we are following as congress has another week or two of legislative business before the august recess. This is the headline from the Washington Times no bill on the border served before the august recess. Host heres what Speaker Boehner said yesterday during his regular thursday news conference. [video clip] there seem to be a huge gulp right now on how to handle the crisis. Do you have confidence that the two sides can come to some sort of agreement by the end of the month . I certainly hope so, but i do not have as much optimism as i would like to have. But again, we are working with our border group, we are working with the chairman of the appropriations committee, trying to find some way to deal with what is a humanitarian crisis at our border, and it needs to be dealt with. Host that

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