America is washing watching on cspan part by powered by cable. Host i want dealings which are possibly unethical or illegal. What is in the laptop that has been reported widely has raised some suspicions about these business deals. It has fallen into tax charges but the possibility of a federal gun charge. In 2018, he purchased a firearm and on firearm applications you need to check off whether or not you have a Substance Abuse problem. At that time, he allegedly checked off no but he read in his book when he purchased the gun that he was dealing with a crack cocaine problem. This investigation his move slowly, we are not sure why it is move slowly. You would think a tax investigation and a gun charge would not take four years. Host let me ask you to david weiss, he was appointed by President Trump in 2018. The Biden Administration leaving him on in the attorney general said he would not appoint a special counsel. He will let judge david weiss continue this investigation without any interference from the doj. Guest theres a couple things of that, republicans have been screaming for a special counsel to investigate hunter biden. I dont know what that gets anybody because the special counsel will have the same power as david weiss. They will report to marek garland like david weiss does. One advantage you will have with the special counsel that you are not getting with david weiss is that if marek garland decides not to approve a subpoena, not to approve a wiretap, denies an investigative step in marek garland has to report that in writing to congress. That is the only difference, there is more accountability. Merrick garland can fire the special counsel just as much as david weiss. I think republicans are screaming about that because it is a talking point but it doesnt get them what they want. Host this is a headline from one of your pieces last week, dojs hunter biden inquiry back in the spotlight. If it is behindthescenes, why is it in the spotlight . Is there information being leaked out now . Guest there is information being leaked out. Some investigators reached out to Media Outlets and said they amassed enough evidence to where they could charge hunter biden with tax crimes or in a gun charge. It is interesting that they have leaked this because you have to look at the reasons why they leaked this. It is possible that it was leaked because there is going to be a republican outrage that these are minor crimes if he does get charged. Republicans have been saying that there is a lot more than tax and gun crimes. You could look at it as the fbi that leaked this because they are investigating this case. Hunter biden is not going to be charged and they want to get out ahead of that and say we did our jobs. We amassed the evidence. If he does not get charged, that is on the Justice Department. We have the evidence. Host based on what we know now through these leaks and other reporting of you and others there is a range of potential charges that could be filed here . Guest thats right. We could look at a possible new gun charge lying on a federal guns application. The possibility of any kind of tax crime from not paying tax to tax fraud. There is a possibility, republicans have raised the issue of looking at his business deals as possible influence peddling. Things of that nature. Host this is a statement from chris clark, Hunter Bidens attorn w said, after the leaks, it is a federaly to leak informati about a grand jury investigation such as this one. Any agent you cite as a source has committed a felony. We expect the department of justice will diligently investigate and prosecute bad actors. Does doj have a history of doing that . Guest the Justice Department talks about going after leakers, it was a priority under Jeff SessionsJustice Department. Their track record going after leakers is spotty at best. Look at the roe v. Wade opinion, the Dobbs Decision leak of the Supreme Court. That investigation really isnt going anywhere. There is a lot of calls to get that weaker, to arrest that leaker. This case is much less cut and dry than the dobbs case when that was leaked because the dobbs case, which is the Supreme Court decision that overturned roe v. Wade, that was a leak of government material. Here, you could look at this two ways. The prosecutor could look at it and save the agents leaking this information are leaking grand jury information because they are pointing out what is in the evidence that has been amassed in the grand jury and it is a crime to leak grand jury information. On the other hand, these investigators are not leaking specific grand jury information. They can always argue that im am giving my opinion. I believe that there is enough evidence, i am just saying from what i have seen. That is not leaking information. That makes it a much tougher case for prosecutors to pursue. Prosecutors will not pursue a case if they dont think they can get a charge out of it. Host jeff mordock has been writing a lot of articles on the investigation into hunter biden. We welcome your calls and comments 202 7488001, for republicans, 202 7488000 for democrats, 202 7488002 for all others. How does this work . How does the judge david weiss present to the grand jury . Guest he gathers evidence through subpoenas, subpoenas for evidence, peoples emails, people schedules, probably tax forms if they are pursuing a gun charge, that would be the federal firearms application. In panels witnesses to testify before the grand jury. How long the jury is impaneled, it could be weeks, months. The grand jury will make a decision and david weiss could reject with the grand jury says and do the opposite, or he could except what the grand jury said. In this case we dont know what the grand jury said but accepting what they do would give him an Merrick Garland a lot of cover regardless of what happens. Whatever decision he makes, there will be a tremendous amount of fire and heat. If they pursue criminal charges, democrats will be in an uproar that this is a political prosecution. If they decline prosecution, republicans will be in an uproar that biden has put its thumb on the scale of justice. They are in a nowin situation and the best thing for them to do is throw their hands up and say this is what the grand jury said, it is out of our hands. Host it is at the same grand jury which wouldve been got together and 2018 . Guest it depends on whether or not it has expired or not. Sometimes they can rotate people in and out. A grand jury is not like the u. S. Jury where they meet every day and this is going to take weeks of time. It could be a day here, a day there. Host jeff mordock as our guest, we will get to your call shortly 202 7488001 for republicans, 202 7488000, 202 7488002 four independents and others. The president was asked about hunter biden and here is the headline from your paper this morning, biden denies knowing about hunter biden and his gun statement but he has confidence in his son. Here is President Biden last night. [video clip] how do you react to that . First of all, i am proud of my son. This is a kid, not a kid but a grown man. He got hooked on drugs, he has overcome that. He has established a new life. I am confident of what he says and does are consistent with what happened. For example, he wrote a book about his problems and was straightforward about it. I am proud of him. He came along and said, this thing about a gun, i did not know anything about it. It turns out when he made an application to purchase a gun, you get asked the questions are you on drugs or use drugs . He said no, and he wrote about it saying no in his book. I have confidence in my son. I love him and he is on the straight and narrow and has been for a couple of years now and i am so proud of him. Host jeff mordock, the president reflecting what Hunter Bidens attorneys upset about this gun charge. Guest i thought that was a tepid defense of his son. He does say that he is proud of his son, he believes his son is on the straight and narrow but he does not offer a full throttle defense of hison which is surprising. He takes the tact of he is someone who has struggled with drug abuse and made a mistake rather than offer any kind of defense. I was surprised at that. Host we have plenty of calls waiting, susan in worcester, massachusetts. On the republican line. Caller the drug and gun charges, that is not the story of the laptop. Its him asking for money, being a, uaine and russia. Biden is compromised. Everybody keeps forgetting this. He is compromised and involved in these countries and it is amazing. And the laptop, he has with underage girls that is something . He is with prostitutes. With a crack pipe. This guy is a sleaze bag. Another thing the diary, ashley biden accuses of assaulting her in the shower as a young kid. Dont say it is not true because they tried to prosecute to people because of the diary. We have a child molester in the white house. Host we will ask you about Hunter Bidens laptop. What do we know that was in that laptop . Guest we know there was evidence of a lot of shady business deals, potentially illegal, possibly unethical. These things are basically capitalizing on his dads name for jobs that he was not qualified for. Jobs that most people who have drug problems would not have access to that pay very well. To the callers point, this is raise a lot of questions. A lot of reason why republicans are asking for a special concert. Special counsel. They are looking into a tax charge of the gun charge. We hear very little about this is which is why the republicans are pushing a special counsel. They argue that in his laptop, there is a whole range of criminal activity that has yet to be examined. Host lets hear from david in concord, North Carolina on the democrat line. David, and North Carolina. Caller i am calling about to mr. Murdoch about the special counsel. There is a special counsel going on with january 6 because of the insurrection. The insurrection was in early 2020 when our judicial system did not prosecute these people for writing. They said it was a demonstration. That was a joke. All we need is someone that has the hair to call mr. Biden out for what he is. He is a joke. He is incompetent. He is using his position for his own gain. That is what the man is doing. He is not capable, him or the Vice President of capable of doing their job. You have a great day. Guest i do wonder if the american appetite for a special counsel is exhausted at this point. We had special counsel robert mueller. We are still fighting about some of his findings even though he brought that up three years ago. We have john door doing his investigation down in alexandria, virginia. Our american starting to get tired of special counsel looking into things. Republicans should take that into their calculus when they demand a special counsel. Host you wrote about the durham investigation and your paper this morning. They paid the fbis victims. What is the investigation all about and what is this trial all about . Guest john durham was appointed by bill barr to look into evidence that the fbi and other intelligence agencies may have committed some wrongdoing when investigating President Trump or his alleged ties to russia. He has looked into this for three years and he is only brought three cases. One of those cases is against a russian analyst who was on trial right now. He lied about how he compiled evidence for this deal report which was used in part by the fbi to obtain a surveillance warrant on carter page who was one of his Campaign Needs and 2016. They suspected he had ties to russia that compromise the trump campaign. No public evidence of mers that was the case. He has never been charged with a crime. Despite that, the fbi surveilled him and they had three renewal applications to keep surveilling him. What john durham is alleging because the analyst lied to the fbi, the fbi is responsible for his words. The fbi had troubling behavior during the russian pro. What i find interesting, in this investigation he decided to look into what the fbi is doing. He is giving the fbi a task there. But for this analyst, nobody heard of him until 2020. The fbi would not have taken some of the actions that they had. I think that is a tough argument. I am surprised that he is taking that argument and it is a disappointment to republicans who hoped he would uncover widespread corruption in the fbi. He is taking a much more sympathetic approach to the fbi than trump and allies. His grand jury has wrapped up. He has not indicted anybody. His prosecutor is left to take a job in the private sector. There are signs that this is wrapping up. Even the fact the door was in doron wasnt court himself, it is a sign that this is wrapping up because he doesnt have anything else that he is working on right now. He wants to make sure that this one goes off without a hitch he brought charges in may against Hillary Campaign lawyer. He brought a trial against the Hillary Campaign lawyer, that ended and an embarrassing acquittal for him he is under a lot of heat from a lot of people. He prosecuted a lowlevel fbi lawyer, all of the evidence, that was handed over to him on a silver platter and a lot of people are wondering this investigation has cost 6 Million Dollars and gone on for three years and there is not a lot of evidence that he has accomplished a lot. I think republicans, especially President Trump and his allies thought this would end up like the molar investigation where we saw 27 companies and individuals indicted including five Trump Associates and we are not seeing that here. People are starting to wonder did durham not to what he was supposed to do or maybe this was overhyped and there was nothing to go after in the first place. Host lets hear from ed in hampton, new hampshire. Caller it seems to me that the grand jury has taken four years to investigate tax and gun charges. It stinks of a coverup. It is Common Knowledge that he was on the board of burisma, 2014, Vice President joe was on air force too, flew to china. And when they came back, hunter was on the board of two chinese company. How long does it take to investigate that . Guest that goes back to my earlier point, there is a lot of stuff that is suspicious around hunter biden that we have not seen investigated yet but we have not seen people take a deep dive into it. Which is why republicans pose for a special counsel. If this results in charges, that will sweep a lot of this under the rug because there will not be a trial. There will not be a discovery. There will not be evidence coming out. I dont think i will sit well with the republicans and i think some voters. That is something we have to talk about that is important is how voters are looking at this. We come from the Trump Administration where he put his kids in high positions at the white house that their qualifications were very questionable. Now, we have hunter biden where there is a lot of smoke surrounding what he has done and at best, if he does get charged it will be minor tax and gun charges. The American People are tired of one set of rules for them, one set of rules for president ial children. I think it is something the Biden Administration should be worried about. Host lets hear from bert on the republican line and columbus, georgia. Caller i think you have the wrong person on their to talk about hunter biden because you need to get somebody from the Washington Post, i think it is called the New York Post. You need to get somebody like ron johnson, the senator from wisconsin. Host jeff mordock has followed this investigation as closely as any of those other people. Caller you have a twotiered justice system. That trial was tainted, and the judge was tainted. You are coming at it from the wrong angle. You have 54 people who used to be an intelligence an intelligence and they come out and say it was russian collusion. I dont think all of that thats all smoke and mirrors. I am saying that you have the liberal side here now. This is a very liberal newspaper, you should get the conservative newspaper on to get the real story. Maranda, from the New York Post. Host jeff mordock, your response. Guest we are not a liberal paper. If there is some minor charges and a guilty plea or no charges at all, i dont think that will sit well with the American People. I think that will hurt the president with the voters because people are seeing the rich and powerful get away with things all the time. She was third point which was about the russian misinformation. Its interesting how quickly it was labeled russian disinformation and you had intelligence agencies label this is such right ahead of the election. Here we are two years out of the election and you have papers that dismiss it like the New York Times, the Washington Post, nbc news. They say we have verified it and the stuff on the laptop is now accurate. We have seen that play into the investigation. We had fbi whistleblowers come out and save the fbi used that as cover. They had verifiable evidence of wrongdoing by hunter biden and they labeled it misinformation us away to stymie the investigation. Those claims have helped stifle what the fbi was doing on this pro. Host special counsel or no, if the republicans take over congress there will be a house investigation into hunter biden. What will they target . What do you know of their plans to hold this investigation . Guest if republicans take over the house or Senate Hunter biden is their first priority. They will go after his business deals, they will look after him on the Chinese Energy board. They will go on a much deeper dive and thats one of the reasons w