Down the president and came out in october of 2000. It came out in 2001, the nine inside the order of the Supreme Court in 2007, the Obama White House and Supreme Court from 2012 and the latest book of the kidnapping, crimes and the tri trial. Thank you for spending three hours here on cspan2 book tv. Guest what a treat. Thank you for you and the terrific callers. Host come back any time. Here are some feature programs this weekend saturday at 10 p. M. Eastern on after words the president ial candidacy of donald trump is the subject of the latest book in trump we trust which argues moderates, conservatives and democrats should support him. Shes interviewed by Tucker Carlson editorinchief of the daily caller. I think that hes a genuine patriot and he looks around and saw so many things going on he could fix. In his opening speech he said something to the effect if we dont stop this now its going to be too late. Sunday at 7 30 the Washington Bureau chief moderates race in america a Panel Discussion on race in relation to the news, politics and culture including an examination of the rise and racial incidents and possible solutions the next ten eastern Antonio Martinez and the product manager talks about his book chaos monkeys that gives a perspective and examines the future impact of Online Marketing and social media and this weekend the Washington Post reports on Americas Nuclear arsenal in iraq and afghanistan and the International Vice president of the movements to increase workers wages. Now after words with dana lash who discusses flyover nation you cant run a country youve never been to which she argues the coastal elitists are dividing the country and dont understand the impact their policies have on americas heartland. Shes interviewed by guy benson. This is an hour. Host dana loesch, we are sitting here tell us about flyover nation. Guest when i was in College Going for my journalism degree i had this idea to write to the american novel and thought i come from such a place where my family lives and every one has all these stereotypes about flyover country so i had a part of it written and then as we started barreling towards the political environment and climate and the whole thing saying we heard from president obama this idea we have from the west coast and east coast they are a bunch of backwoods hillbillies and whenever we practice animal sacrifice or whatever it is we do and all that stuff we have these stereotypes but none of it is true. Theres a lot of issues flyover nation has defenders a lot of issues we look at incredibly differently and so part of it is explaining that perspective through itself thats come from the midwest or flyover nation that we look at issues and also it gets into just sort of how we are tired of being kicked around and taking off his tiny and it explains why so many people have kind of risen up and why this cycle is as weird as it is and why we cant even trend or predict anything or anticipate anything anymore so it explains all of that. I was in the middle of writing this book with the comment about the new york values have been and you remember how everybody was so angry and i think the people here are cool but people in new york do not get made fun of the way people in flyover nation do. People do not get viewed or look at in the same manner. They wanted everybody else to defend them and i was sitting here with the rest of my family thinking we are always made fun of and a people that are passed around and underestimated and taken for granted. We are expected to show up in fooandvote and just be there whr we are needed. You dont get to be angry. Weve been downtrodden enough you dont get to be angry. Let me show you what weve been through for my entire life and even before that. So i went back and added an addendum to the buck when it was already written and have gone through i called my publisher and said we have to add this because the perfectly explains why i wrote this book. Host the title makes sense to me it is on the centerright flyover country, flyover nation for the uninitiated in the cspan audience how would you determine flyover nation, who is a part of that . Guest its the area between the new york and la when you go from new york to la or wherever its that huge expansion of patchwork that looks like a cloud whenever you look down and you have no idea whats going on. Its the small town america mom and pop shops middleclass America Farmers and union workers. I have an uncle that owns the quarry. Its everyday people that are not on the coast. A value family and have differing values i get into in the book as well because they look at a number of different issues but its all those people that dont get the attention the coast gets. Host we will get to the politics certainly that you are in flyover nation. Tell us about your story that brought you to the studio with your second book. Guest it is a weird one, too because i always wanted to write but i never wanted to be in front of the camera. I went in kicking and screaming. I wanted to be behin it to be be scenes and do my thing. Thats what i wanted to do. But where i come from all my family lives in missouri and we have a huge family and 24 cousins just on my moms side so we are a pretty good family but its a closeknit tight family. There are literally 301 people, there is one restaurant and a quick mart where all the action happens and if you want to get some snack cakes or the next best thing its like the generic version but Everybody Knows everybody. I was raised by a single mother who left the country to get a drug and you can work in a school or at the hairdresser or if you are lucky get a job at the bank but spare your work at a restaurant features and work in the quarry. Thats about it. Everybody isnt striving to have something. There is no we have to keep up with the joneses. People are just happy with what they have being out on their property able to go fishing in the river. Its just a scaled back way of life thats so completely different. My mom went to the city to get a job and i went with her. I was isolated and alone and it was weird because you would think that wouldnt be the case but i found being in a big city is the easiest way to feel the loneliness because you were isolated by all these people you dont know. So in the city no one cares what your last name is or what your family does. Nobody knows if you resemble each other or any of that stuff and back in the small town where my family came from everybody knew everybody. We all knew who you were and what your familys last name was. It was just different. Then eventually i stayed in the city long enough to go to school and i loved going back to visit family and kind of reconnecting to get away from everything. We moved to dallas and i liked it there. Everybody still thinks its like the wild west in dallas. Texas counts. But i think its a different aesthetic. The lifestyle is different. I have friends from la and when they would visit st. Louis and i took one of my friends actually down to where some of my family lives and they were like its a whole other world. We have to get a camera crew because its a whole different world. You dont have stoplights down here where do the kids go to have fun . It was beyond their comprehension and pretty downsized and relaxed. But i think i like to take that sort of aesthetic with me because what i do is as you know you live in dc in the beltway now you dont seem that way. You tend to have that vibe where you appreciate flyover nation and the people and that sort of relax slowmotion living freight lack of a better way to describe it. I like to visit new york i couldnt live here i get claustrophobic. I cant see the sky. In dc i drive pretty much like everybody its pretty to look at and great to visit but theres something im missing in new york and even in la. Weve had the chances we could have moved to new york or dc and i just cant do it. I miss the way of life in the country and isolated from the drama. Did you hear what havent . I didnt come im in the middle of the country. Host staying with the personal i think what may be intriguing as they are familiar with your work on fox news and you are a regular on the show for example you have your own program and you are known and i dont think you woul that you wd disagree as a bit of a conservative brawler. In flyover nation there were passages that were extremely personal i wasnt expecting a few and you sort of alluded to the single mother situation. Was that difficult to write about and be public about in a broad audience . Guest way back when i think it was 2001 i wanted an outlet to write about stuff i wasnt writing about when it was freelance and i wanted to just write whatever and have fun with it. Most of it is still up there. I explored a lot of the online and i think it does inform people where i come from where i guess my tone, why i take the tone i take just because what you see is what you get. I dont put up a front if i go on television or youve been out with me before, you know. It informs the reader where i come from and kind of how i operate in why im so passionate about certain things. Why am i passionate about the family in it because ive seen firsthand what happens and ive lived through that. All these issues ive lived then in some respects. My husband and i werent married and i was in college and had every pressure and every invitation in the world. You can go ahead and continue freelancing and continue on this path in college. This is the best time to have a baby. Im very frank about it and i think tha that all so people ree to a story that relates to if you are open about your experiences people relate to that because i think a lot of hearts and minds are more easily changed when you are reaching out to people and trying to connect so its like im not perfect this is where i come from and these are the decisions ive made and why i view things the way i do so maybe you can see it from my way for a little bit. Host when the public sees someone on tv they must have a perfect life and no one is perfect. You go through that in the book and open with a reference to the famous but from years ago whats the matter with kansas where he couldnt figure out why people in kansas with those republican. Talk about how that shaped flyover nation and was this shape has a reputation for a conservative comeback . Guest it wasnt intended to be but that is one of the things in my mind when i added it to the people and writings i just wanted to tell offhand sort of push back against. So much has been said about we cant understand why someone would vote thi go this way or ud why people would think this way. I disagree with the reaction and the values. For the lack of a better way to put it i guess you could kind of say it was like responding to this in the same vein. [laughter] host you made reference to this and i want to explore it more deeply the disconnect and the polarization. Your book is out. We are still reeling from the terrorist attack at a nightclub and it was inspired by ice is and we are still tracking down all the details. There was a poll that asked whether it was more about islamist terrorism or domestic gun violence in the country was split down the middle with republicans saying terrorism, democrat saying overwhelmingly guns. How do you address that massive canyon that represents not just things we believe that also the premise on which we approach issues . Guest this is a problem we have in the country so badly people want to be right and they dont care about the actual debate. You were afraid it was split right down the middle. It shouldnt be that way. Of course i believe that whole situation was a terrorist situation no matter how you look at it but i wish that instead of people just kind of taking the party line, they could learn that as a variable from the discussion and look at the basic fact of the matter of a person who is i and profess to believe the system that is completely incompatible with the culture of this is this is a person who prd belief system that is intolerant of everything. He doesnt like western culture or christianity or any of the things here in the United States people are allowed to be who they are and worship however they want to worship a. It has a lot to do with the political rhetoric and it seems in so many ways not just so much people in flyover nation although they are targeted you have this back and forth and right and left pulling them in one direction or another and it goes back to we need you to show up a certain way or support this particular issue but that divide is kind of scary because now politics, the sad thing whether or not he will be able to be equally defend ourselves against a major threat and the attacks are increasing whether we want to realize it or not we dont live in this perfect kick hi kid a sunshine world where we dont have to worry if we go out to a club or we go to a baseball game we dont have to worry we dont live in that world any more. And unfortunately we have to protect ourselves at home because not enough is being done overseas. That is the situation with some people thawe havesome people tho acknowledge because that means getting up and sacrificing another part of the narrative and if the that they would rathe right on an issue. If they would rather win the argument van to address what is happening and be correct on how to handle us. Host to people who dont live in flyover nation dont understand this and have deepseated misunderstandings. There is a bias with what you are characterizing. You talk about the church and guns and military. How would you explain the country as you said how do you explain the misconceptions and how do you try to correct them in the book . Guest there are these stereotypes about flyover nation america. The people that have a genuine interest and understanding of what makes flyover different from the west coast or east coast those people when they visit are like this is amazing i took a road trip with a friend in indianapolis. My friend passed away that he wanted to pull off. We went to this amazing place you could get deepfried anything and he thought it was the most amazing thing in the world. You get a deepfried air and deepfried anything. This is amazing. Host what is something that youve eaten . Guest what havent i. I got one as a wedding gift and not even giving you my husband and i deepfried everything. Host did you ask for one or do they know you . Guest i think we registered for it. I think i have had a deepfried twinkie and every vegetable. I think i did a deepfried pizza roll. Im trying to think what we have and deepfried. Its all delicious. Its horrible for your health fits all the vicious. Host its almost like some on the left were some people in the coastal elite however you would describe them look at christians from the heartland as almost this sociological phenomenon. Explain what the church has daytoday. What is your relationship and what does it mean to your family . Guest in growing up, the churches because theres three where my family lived you can go out in the parking lot and see the other two from the parking lot. Its the funniest thing. But when my grandmother was on hospice it was the church. They sent someone to be with my grandmother. My uncle was a drug addict and was buying influence from jacksonville broke, completely broke. He had nothing and it was the church that stepped in to make sure that you have a respectable funeral. In flyover nation the church is in there for you because we are all imperfect and especially when you live in a small town like that, that imperfection is on display every single day. The church is there to assist. The churches ive attended have baby showers for teenage unwed mothers and my fatherinlaw and hospice deals with aids patients on their death beds who are professing faith in christ and so this is ive seen the action. Thats the church i grew up with. It helps keep the community together. Its not the way that its made out to be. And if there has been a lot of effort by the progressives in the east coast, west coast and the beltway to divide people to be the divide between the church and the people. I feel badly for the people that fall for it and for the people that have a bad impression of the church. I wish they would come to flyover nation and is it in action. Host we are having a delightful conversation. I dont want the potential readers to be misled. You dont shy away unsurprisingly from some hot button issues. You made a few comments earlier about abortion. You get into the physicianassisted suicide and right on page 27 physician assisted suicide is a term for euthanasia more plainly a very late term abortion. Is that fair, because an abortion i am prolife and part of the argument is the human whose life is being and it has no say in the matter whatsoever. But in many cases, the physicians assistance, someone is making a case for themselves and their lives based on the the circumstance isnt that an important distinction . Guest i think it is a distinction but its not a club playing one because a way that i look at it its not their decision to make. Its not anybodys decision to make. I can look at this from a christian perspective, too. You are eliminating him from the equation when you say i think im done now. Its if your life impact someone elses. My uncle had a drug addict who came in from jacksonville and died in st. Louis. He had seen a drug addict tend to have drug addict friends. It was on his deathbed it hit me and i saw what he was doing with his life. For that reason i view it differently. That isnt the decision to make. Host another front in the cultural war at a small establishment in indiana. Talk about what happened in some of the themes you get at in flyover nation. Guest i guest it was a more apropos story. You have a reporter from bloomington who went down to find some sort of christian mom and pop shop. They were getting that was basically allowing people to. There are limitations. If you are actively engaging in the discrimination he will run afoul of the law. If it is a wedding ceremony and you dont want to get your artistic skill or labor or expression, then thats understandable and thats what it was about. But this reporter went out of her way and went to this little tiny smalltown out in the middle of the street she saw some crosses on the wall. In the proprietor of the Cash Register at that day she asked her what you cater a gay wedding and there were no services exchanged. It is a hypothetical question. They said we serve customers every day thats one thing. But the act of a wedding ceremony goes against what we believe as christians so we probably wouldnt participate in that. Can i buy some fudge rounds and stack them up for a wedding cake or Something Like that its just weird they went to a pizza shop and i wrote abou