The power to reach out and touch you when appropriate. I assume you all pay taxes. This is a rite of citizenship. The right to be forgotten to remove data from the internet is a major issue, and microsoft trying to pud the internet, unlike us, as we get older and forget things we want to remember, the internet never forgets. It exists somewhere. That is why were seeing we need an international set of conventions to think through about how to control the data, monitor the data. And the last thought ill give you, when you believe that you understand where privacy is, the Fourth Amendment actually says as follows, its worth it to quote because its offer misquoted. The right of the people to be secure in their persons, housespapers and effects, against unreasonable searches elm definition of what a person is, what a house is, what a paper is some effect is litigated. Against unreasonable searches and seizures. Paul said, who decides what is unreasonable . What you should understand who decides unreasonable is what Justice Brennan used to say. What the most concept of Supreme Court . Were final. Five votes. Five vote is read the majority decision. Five people will decide what is unreasonable and reasonable in this United States. And if they make it a constitutional decision, based on a constitutional interpretation, it will require a constitutional amendment to change their interpretation. You have to understand why we think the court is so important, because the court is the ultimate definer of the outer limits and inner limits of what we understand is privacy in the 21st century. And that is how we do it. Other countries have different views how they understand privacy. As i said, china and russia have different views how they understand privacy. Those are not the regimes we think should be involved in making the final determineses how the internet will be govern it but that where is the next struggle will be taking plus as we move forward trying to figure out the interests. For the interest0s of time well have to call it there. I want to thank the audience. I appreciate your questions and thank the panelists very much on both sides of me. Gene, you wanted to say something. The book is for sale. If youre interested, well have books outside and will be there to give you the honor of our signatures,. And we will have question ifs you want to come up afterwards. Thats fine. Thank you very much. Can [inaudible conversations] every weekend booktv offers programming focused on nonfiction authors and books. Keep watching for more here on cspan 2 and watch any of our past programs online at booktv. Org. Coming up next on booktv, after words, this week, lindsay mark lewis, the inside story about how fundraisers allowed billionaires to take over politics. The executive director of the Progressive Policy Institute explains how elections have changed and reveals the tactics used to amass large quantities of cash that candidates now need. This program is an hour. Lindsay lewis good to have you with us today. The book is political america anywheres quite the tale of your madcap run through politics up to today. But you had a fascinating start in your young life. Parents who were steeped in liberal politics. Your father marched in sell marks alabama, had family that marched on washington, dc, involved in a whole variety of liberal and progressive organizations. What was it like growing up in that environment and how even in your early days did that shape your mind when it came to your world view and your outlook on politics . Guest first of all, a great family to grow up in. They dade lot for mow. Lower middle class family that had a liberal belief and a liberal understanding of the world, and the desire to do good was certainly impressed on me from a young age, and i thank them for everything they did to give me a base of what i believe in and what i think our democracy should be about. I was lucky to have them keep me involved in some of those things they did as adults. When i was a child. And i was fortunate that when i started becoming an adult, i wanted to get in this business and try to make a difference. Host did they push you into politics . Its sunday, were going to do all things politics, or morning, noon and night, they want to get you involved in Political Activities or was it michigan that just because of the environment you took a shine to. Guest they didnt push me, and never pushed me to be a fundraiser. More of an opportunity. They gave me an opportunity to be engaged in issues of the day. I remember being a tenyearold protesting the Iranian Embassy over the hostages here in d. C. , and it was just opportunities to be involved in the issues of the day, and have a say. Host did you have any singular experiences when you were a kid that made you think perhaps, all right, seems to be implementerred here for me to get involved in partisan politics. Even in raising money for political candidates one day, or at least working on their staffs or working shouldertoshoulder with them . Guest i didnt have nothing came from the family on that. It was a continual opportunity to be involved, so wasnt a singular moment. I think as a college student, when tom harken got up in 1991 and said im proud to be a liberal democrat, was a moment that triggered me back into the business. I wasnt in it in college. I was doing other things, and going to sort of a business track, but that moment, when tom harkin stood in iowa and said, im proud to be a liberal democrat, got me involved. Host aside from politics, i was struck by the fact you were quite an athlete going up. You were a hockey goalie. Guest doesnt show now but i was an athlete back then. Hockey, wrestling, winning,. Host being a goaley, the metaphor speaks for itself. Taking pucks at your identifies time and time again, people are slamming into you. I grew up a big Buffalo Sabres fan, am today, even though theyre not doing very well in the nhl. One of my heroes almost died on the ice. So this is not a position for the faint of heart to say the least. Did you see some parallels with politics and sports, even at a young age and certainly when you got into your College Years and 20s, where that experience that you hat and you were fairly elite athlete prepared you for the type of environment you would find yourself in when you were in your 20s . Guest sports is politics and politics is sports now. I have faith in the Buffalo Sabres. Once they get past this year. I wanted to win. That was instilled in me as a hockey player and other sports, and thats all that mattered. And what comes look with that in politics is you want to win. You want to win campaigns. Want to win elections, and you want to win issues. Host no sports, too, you count a certain number of points at the end of the game, if you have more than the other team, you win in politics, when you play the money game, often times, at lease philosophically, the more money you have, the greater chance you have of winning. Do you think that holds true and did that hold true in the 90s and has that held true in the past decade as there has been massive change in the way money is raised. Guest we changed the way we do campaigns and its really a recent change, and people arent pay enough attention to it right now. In 1990, took 250,000 to win a house seat. And that was money you raised in your state or in your district, and now we have moved into this world where its a million and a half dollars, just to be competitive for a house seat, and thats in 20 years. And we have instilled in the candidates you have to raise more money than your opponent. No matter what you do with that money, the point is you have to raise money to show up and be considered a legitimate candidate. Which is something we didnt do in the 80s and 90s, or early 90s. Its a new trauma. Host back in the 70s or 8s so, you wanted to get into politics, seemed like there were logical routes to go. Work up from answering phones in a congressional staffers office, maybe out in the district, maybe one day you might be a legislative director, chief of staff. Nobody really wanted to go be a political fundraiser. You werent waking up in in the morning thinking i want to be the guy who raises money for the candidate. What fundamentally changed in the 1990s that shifted that environment so that raising money was in a professional sense, such a priority, not only for the politicians themselves but also the Political Party structure . Guest well, let me get back to the candidates in the 70s and 80s. The difference between them and what happens today is you have people that got elected to city council, state house, and then moved up. It didnt take a lot of money but they had a base of voters already and a base of support their district. What happened in 1994 is the democrats for the first time lost the house in 40plus years, the reaction to that moment, money started to increase but hadnt hit eave Single Member of the house, and in 94, the decision was that we lost the house because we didnt have enough money. And now we have explored and it in 20 years gone from 350,000 campaigns to million and a half to 2 million and that happened in 20 years. Host but writing about money and politics in the height of the roman empire. Money in politics is nothing new. Was there something specific that changed the way that democrats and republicans both began to think about political money during the 1990s . I might suggest that the internet had a role to play in this, but did you find that to be true or was there Something Else going on here . Guest theres no silver bullet. No one decision that changed the system. What happened after 94 was, you had to races money money north only for your own campaign bark because you were told you wouldnt be a real candidate unless you got to Million Dollars you. Also had a change in at the structure of how the house leadership, whos, and cow you were forced as a Junior Member or less Senior Member to actually start giving money to the Campaign Committees. 50,000, 100,000, payin fee to be a member of the caucus. Thats money you had to raise you didnt have to raise three year before that. The internet exploded in 2000 with mccain and howard dean took it to a new level in 2004, which has dramatically changed the relationship that members of congress have with donors and with their own districts. Its sort of been a gradual change. It wasnt one thing didnt change the way we raise money for politics. Host to you, your entry the world was sided with the changes you coincide with the changes you describe and also seemed an accidental entry into the world of money and politics and political fundraising. How did that happen for you and how did you get involved so intimatelys deeply as you would. Guest very accidental. I started working volunteering and working for Dick Gephardt in the capitol. I was 22 years old and i was asked to take an envelope one day to this place called the effective government committee, which host his leadership pac. Guest i didnt know that. I loved the name. Effective government committee. And i took the envelope over. It was on 80f street, just down the street from here, and i walked in and never left. These guys asked me to stick around help them out, and they certainly wanted me more than the folks on the hill did. Host this wasnt some would paneled Congressional Office with all the trappings of capitol hill or one of the Office Buildings there. What did it look like . What was the environment physically that you were working in . Guest it was hole in the wall on the eighth floor, with pour people in it, inone guy in the main office and three younger guys my age, outside, making phone calls. Certainly wasnt the glory of being five feet from the capitol floor i was used to before, but it was an engagement that got me excited. I was a little worried. Id just witnessed the summer of Mccain Finegold host money and politic scandal. Guest huge scandal that washed over. It scared me. I dididnt want to be involved in any of that what seemed to be to be a corruption age. Being wanted in politics is a great thing, and they wanted me, and i did it for the next 20 years. Host you write in the book more time is can count you waned out, you thought it was a dirty business, not a business that you wanted to be associated with any longer than you absolutely had to. What kept you in . Guest it is a dirty business. I hated virtually every day i worked there, besides a few really fun days. What kept me in there was unfortunately a paycheck for most of it, and the opportunity to do thinged that nobody else my age was doing. Was traveling around the country with the democratic leader of the house, a flight every weekend, going to some city to raise money, or going on great vacations that were paid for by these campaigns, and i was skiing in tell uride or at the beach in North Carolina so but it was not a happy experience. I didnt want wealthy individuals, especially to have the influence they did, and i was part of allowing them to have the access and ability to do what they wanted to do. Host it is a fundraiser, seemed like it took some sort of personal toll on you, too. Some of the stories you tell in the book almost push the boundaries of believability. You tell one story about when youre in the Virgin Islands and youre stuffing bricks of marijuana in the handbag of dick again hards wife, jane you. Tell toot story about passing out underneath a desk. When Dick Gephardt game by. The minority leader of the house and can he cant find i you because your under your desk passed out drunk. My favorite is you blew off a ted kennedy fundraiser because you were playing a video game. Was this endem mick in fundraising during the 1990s for dem contractses or just you trying to grab until some very odd ways with the pressure that was being put on you to raise as much money as you possibly could for some of the most powerful people in the world . Guest first, let me say, unfortunately these stories are true, even though they sound outrageous. They are what my life was in the 90s. It was a dont grapple constant grapple. Is was being paid a lot of now raise a lot 0 money and i couldnt connect the two dots of why i was doing this, when i despised doing it. Therefore i did stupid things along the way. So, sometimes avoid doing it, avoid making those phone calls, avoid setting up the next fundraiser. It was my selfmedicating way of coping with the situation i was in. I think a lot of fundraisers back then do that, or did that. I dont know what they do today. I hope its nose its not as bad as it was. Host you mention some notable politicians and some people whose names you might not recognize as just an average person reading this book. But you write about how you chenged a lot over the years and how today obviously youre a very different person than you were during the 1990s, when you were involving yourself in some of the more madcap aspects of your job. Whats go back to Dick Gephardt. How did change over the course of your seven years, was it guest yes. Host seven years roughly with him. Seemed as if he himself had a sort of transformation from somebody who was very much for the middle class, very much for the union work, the laborer, to somebody who was bee holding to david force by the time then 1990s closed out. Talk about that transformation in regards to Dick Gephardt. Guest dick was a unique individual. One, i had a high level of respect for the man and still do. I think he was a champion of the middle class. I think he unfortunately did change a little bit towards the end. He was chasing what happened to him in 1988. He ran for president and ran out of money. He won iowa and had no money to compete new hampshire, and when the after losing the house in 94 the democrats went out searching for new money, and he was the leader of that, and we became a Coastal Party of wealthy individuals from california, and wealthy individuals from new york. Its what we needed to do to raise enough money to compete. What we told ourselves we needed to do. I think the one unique think about Dick Gephardt which i hope hes not he never cared. He made phone calls, not knowing who he was even talking to. It was a process to him at that point. But because he had to spend so much time doing it, it changes who you are, changes the process of how you think. Now youre appealing to donors or a Donor Community that is not the same as a midwestern district and thats the unfortunately occurrence when you we have increased so much money in politics, is its not a its a very subtle change but its a change into who you actually represent when youre in congress. Host you wrote that money became a sort of central preoccupation of Dick Gephardt. What did you mean by that when you wrote it . Guest i think one, he was chasing running out of money in 1988, and he was chasing winning back the house for the democrats. And we became this was his focus. Raise enough money to compete with the republicans we can win the house back or he could become president of the United States, and when you do that, you lose sight of what youre trying to do. You loose sightdoor lose sight of who youre actually recruiting to run for the house and we became the party that looked for candidates that could either raise a Million Dollars or write. Thes a check for a Million Dollars. It was no longer what i call the greatness of the 80s, which was when you described a senator, you described how as an Alabama Democrat or a massachusetts republican. That doesnt exist today. Youre a tea party candidate, liberal candidate, a national because of money its a National Campaign now for every house seat. And we have changed the dynamic of who serves in the house because of this. Host the schedule of the congressman or a senator, its not public is not privy to those schedules. You cant use a