We would overturn their ballot coloradoans love small businesses. They dont write all the supermarkets are from out of state. But again, what happens in two year when im out of office . Its a tough question. Im not willing to commit yet but i lie awake at night. One of the toughest things im can thinking about. The second question host fracturing. Guest no. Second what die do next. Host if Malcolm Gladwell is wrong. Guest i think i never thought i thought i would be a never thought i would be in the restaurant business. Never thought i would go into elected office. Spent a year and a half looking at that and thinking about and it then plunged into it. I dont know what is next. I think i might probably go back into the private sector but i might run a foundation. If there was someone had la really interesting challenge as a foundation. Something different and really exciting. Think ive got at least one, maybe two careers left. You never can tell. And then in terms of fracking, which is probably a as thorny an issue as there is. In colorado the people that own the mineral rights are different than the people who own the surface rights and our state constitution protects that private property. That there are gashed to by law the right to go and access those minerals. And in many cases what happens is people are now living out much further from towns. Right . They get little 35acre ranchettes. They scatter all over the Eastern Plains along the front react where there happens to be because of Directional Drilling and hydraulic fracking the ability to get large amount ofs of oil and gas, especially natural gas, which i think is a very rapid transition fuel to a green economy. Certainly the major reason we put coal transforming cole plants into natural gas plants like this and not just natural gas but wind and solar. Anyway you have this private property we have protected and if you do 2500foot setback from every home, someone opened those mineral rights for ten years or 12 years, waiting for the price of oil to get high enough and now someone can build a home 700 feet away, suddenly they say you cant drill there anymore. Again, its a question of fairness. Dont know what the real solution is but our constitution, until that i changed, we have an obligation to protect that private property, and i think if on the ballot theyre talk about get tag hundred signatures to make the setback any residence 2500 feet. If that passed, essentially takes away a large amount of peoples private assets, and i think that would be challenged to the court and would go to the Supreme Court and every top lawyer ive talked to said that would be called the state of colorado and the counties involved would have to come back and make good that we would have to pay when you take someones private property to run a power line or build a conduit or build a water whatever you have to use Eminent Domain and pay somebody the value of their private property, and all the folks that want to ban fracking im lets figure out a way to pay people so theyre not going to drill near communities. Again, its one of the toniest problems. You picked the two thorniest host a smart audience. Guest i came to washington for a reason. I meant an outside reason. Host at the end of the book is says while this is where my story thus far ends it is also where the rest of my life begins. Where we go from here, who knows . You know me. Ive got more than a few ideas in my head. Giddyup. So, to you, super governor, giddyup. Thank you very much. [applause] host were going to [inaudible conversations] booktv continues tomorrow night with books on education policy. First, jed bowlens account at teaching at in, City Public High School and the battle for room 314. Followed by George Thomas writing about the Founding Fathers and their idea of establishing a national university. And after that Monique Morris shares her book pushout the criminalization of black girls in schools. Then john shields talks bat book he coauthored, passing on the right conservative professors and the progressive university. And finally, a look at whether advanced mathematics should be part of the core curriculum for students. An dre Andrew Hacker writes bit in the myth. At cspan. Org you can watch our Public Affairs and political programming anytime at your convince, on your desk top, laptop or mobile twice. Go to our home page, cspan. 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Shrub who came into the senate win there was bare lay woman to be seen and you were there, this book you have written the art of the tough tells your story, and barbara levy, born on november 11, 1940, from a family of jewish refugees in your own words, growing up in pervasive shat schad dove of the holocaust, somehow ended up going from that little place in brooklyn, to the United States senate. Maybe moves to california in between. And you did it all with such grace and also with that art of the tough. So do you want to talk about what that was like growing up, your stories with your family and how you ever dvded decided to take this senator. Guest will, senator klobuchar, you said it was an honor to interview me. Im so excited that you agreed to do this because it says a lot about our relationship, the warmth that we share. And im so thrilled and as you know, im going to get to your question in a second, but the enact is the warm relationships that have developed between the women senators and, frankly, a lot of the men, barbara mick cal ski calls sir gal had. You know im not running again and people say, why . Are you disgusted with the place . Not at all. Just feel after 40 years there are people like you who can carry the banner. So we have kirstin gill dibrand and you interviewing me issue couldnt be more thrilled. But how did i get tough . What was my life like when i was a child . Which in this memoir, when it shat down to write so it long ago took here to years. Its a lot of effort. When i first thought about it i thought its going to be my dad who had all the influence on who i am as a person, because my dad was my idol, he was the youngest of nine brothers and sisters. The only one born in america. His family was born in russia. None of them even graduated from high school. Theres misdad, he is born in 1908, and after he married my mom, he goes to city college of new york at night, scores at night. Gets great grades, becomes a cpa, and then after im born, in 1950, he goes to law school at night, gets his degree, so im thinking, you know, clearly it was my dad. But when i sat down to think about the lessons, how are you tough . They all come from my mother, and in the beginning host she didnt graduate from high school. Guest she did not. And always was such a burden on her. She felt so sad about it. At one point she even tried to get her ged. Dont know what exactly happened. But i will say this. My mother was so smart. And the kind of smart she had was smart from the heart and the soul. And when in the beginning of the book i lay out the rules of the art of tough. How can you do it . And one of the things was always doing the right thing. Even when everything is going against you. You and i know what its likement we have had experiences in the trenches together, whether its on human trafficking, which you took the leadership on, or tookics chemicals, which i took the leadership on. We know what its like. People look at you and think, why are you causing these problems . Well, its the art of tough. You know its right you bet deer the right thing. Also learned, never act out of anger. You can feel the anger but dont act when youre angry. These are the things that came from my mother. Host you tell a funny story how you were a little angry on the playground, stabbed a bully with a pencil, and then haunting you the next day you walked by his apartment and see a dark, dark cloth in front of the house and you think youve killed him. Turns out to be the grandfather. But im sure that is one of those memories you dont forget. Guest its a memory that i didnt forget because what happened was, albert was kind of my nemesis and because im little, still little, 53, 50 period. Maybe with my high heels. Host thats what im thinking. Guest no. Im so small, and so he was well, i was the perfect target. He would insult me and chase me, and thats what they used to do in those days. Maybe they still do in school. Dont know. But one day i just had had it. No one was around itch took out my number 2 pencil and i stab him in the arm. Right where you get a vaccination, and he is stunned and i am stunned. And so youre exactly right. In retelling the story, we felt we just keep it outer little secret. Then he doesnt come to school for the next have to days, and yes, theres a crepe cloth over his home, which i passed by every day. On a vacant lot on the way home. I lived in the inner city, and really did think i killed him. So i took it to my mother. I said, mom, i think i killed albert. Well, of course she looks at me, barbara sue . Which is what she called me when she was mad. What did you do . I told her. Cant believe you would ever do that. And you cant do that. But i dont think you killed him. Let me call the principal. She finds out his grandpa died. Was so relieved i hugged him when he came back but it taught me an amazing lesson. And she said, you never use violence. You have to persuade and diffuse and i never different after that use violence. I tried to diffuse a lot of situations. Sometimes i won, sometimes i didnt. Host as a young girl when you think about this, at a time where girls were organizing a lot of things, you led the effort to get a new carpet in the apartment lobby. Guest yes. Host when you were one of the favorite letters, us youre just ten years old and your mother is in the hospital with some illness and youre not allowed to visit. You want treat the letter you wrote back then . Your first organizing effort right there. Guest i found it after my mother died and my dad died in their little jewel box. I wrote to the doctor because the rules that were kids cooperate visit their parents then. So, i deer doc. I mrs. Leavys daughter and i would love to see my mother very much. Didnt see my mother when she left. Only a little while. About five minutes before i went to school. I have no sickness. Only a little bellyache now and then itch wont make a lot of noise. I miss my mother. Very much. So why cant i see her . Thanks for reading this letter. Sincerely yours, barbara leavy. So then, i had a feeling it wouldnt work. So i wrote a backup to my mother. Dear mom how mean can a person be . If day dont let me they are mean. Will be so happy if i can see you. Get teary id. In school im a study group of mexican culture and art. In fact im the chairman. Love and kisses to you, babs. I get so choked up because theyre memories we have of our families. To deep inside us. Host but this whole idea that any kid that can make it in america, which we still believe today, no matter where you came from. Think thats a big part of your story. But one of the things that was different about your story than some of them poo in the senate, is that you were a girl, and so here you are, you then go to brooklyn college, and following in your dads footsteps, and you get a degree and you want to be a stockbroker because your dad instilled this in you and you start interviewing around for jobs, and it wasnt easy back then for a girl to get that job. Guest impossible. They used to have a program at the wall street firms, and they would call because the people who were selling the securities, who were the stockbrokers, were called customers men. That was in the name. Customers men. So i wanted to be a customers man. And so i was ready to do it when i got my first job, it was an assistant long story. Wont go into it too much but assistant to a woman who wrote a Municipal Bond newsletter. She was so smart. But never signed it Elizabeth Ellsworth cook her anyway. She signed ee cook to disguise the fact she was a woman. I said why dont you sign . She said no one would buy it. She never became a partner for many years and it she was kind of in disguise. Unreal. And so i thought, im going to take a different path. Im going to work for her, gate salary because i was in law school and i was the only one working so i guess i method 90 a week or something. Then i said, i had to make more so we could at least live a decent life. So i studied for the exam because i couldnt get into the program. If you got a thes map Program Customers man program, you got trained. I did it on my own and appealed. I was so excited. I took it to elizabeth and she said, well, you know, i dont know. Youll have to go to the big boss at this very old firm and i did, and he said, sorry, women dont do that. Now, she shocking this was not only that he just said it like it was fact of life, but that i took it. Now i said, oh, okay. But i did quit. I said then i quit. And i went to another firm where they allowed me quietly to have a little business on the side where i was kind of the assistant to one of the Vice President s, did his work but i had a little side business. So i was able to make 250 a week. Amy, that was great. Host this is where so many timeness politics some of the some of us who came in on your shoulders, on your fivefoot shoulders, and Barbara Mikulski has well, talk about the time when you came in it was so much harder, for young people to read your story, a at other time when most women were expected to have a few jobs and that was secretary, teacher, nurse, that was is. And in fact you kind of went over meetings, too. Your brave husband, who you have been married to in my mind forever. Guest 54 years. Host but you say this is one of my favorite quotes. Youve say i often joke that stu married Debbie Reynolds and woke up with sotomayor. Explain that. Guest because remember when we met, girls, young women, didnt have the kind of opportunities we now have today, and that our daughters have today. And i know you have a great one. Hope she is watching. And so we had to settle for a lot less. When stu met me i was pursuing my dream of being an economicking major. He knew that and he saw some signs in those years when you had you got together for little parties. The men would be here talking about issues of the day, and the women just so as not to be perceived office too uppitiy, would be here talking about seriously, food and more appropriate things for women. Thats the truth. I was doing my thing with the women then id go over to the men and talk to them, too, which was considered a bit odd but i did it. So he knew some clues i wouldnt long stay a cheerleader that i was from brooklyn college, head of the boosters from high school, but lets be clear. When he met me i was a kid. Was 18. And going into the senate, you might as well have said flying to the moon by yourself with your arms waving. That is where it was. Host then you make thing decisionings which was monumental in your career and the history of america, you decide to move to california and how did that come about . Guest well, my sister and her family had moved there. And i wanted to visit, and so stu such a good student we made law review and i went with my parents and we drove out to california. I get to california. My eyes open up. My mouth drops and i said, ive never seen anything as beautiful as this. Because i joke i grew up in brooklyn. Which is by the way the coolest place to live now. Thin it wasnt. But i talk about how only if you have a movie called a book called a tree grows in brooklyn boy pi because it wasnt that agree. You had beautiful places and now pour beautiful places, Prospect Park and Botanical Gardens but it was the city. So i came to california and the environment is kind of history there, and the first thing you learn about california, if you pick up a history book, is the beauty and the various ecology from the north of the state to the south, where whether its the forest or he marshland or the desert or the ocean, and of course we have the richest farmland. Its so exquisite. So i just said i was 21ish or so, i said i want to move here. But stu graduated from law school. That was wild. And i said to him, can we move . He said, why . And i said, you see, its gorgeous and youll love it. I cant describe it. Well have so much more freedom to be outside and outdoors. He said, okay. But i have to get a job in advance. And so he did. The eh got a job two years in advance weapon came out to california for the beauty. Thats what i want to tell you. And of course then we stayed and the excitement and the hollywood, Silicon Valley and everything about it is so incredible. Host and then youre pregnant. Guest yes. Host and doug you first child, is born two months early and stu is still in law school. Guest right. Host and i was going to look back on the fact they wont let him come out for the birth because he has an exam. But the biggest part of the story this is a dangerous back then, 50 chance of survival and youre on your own. Guest no insurance. Host got you somewhat interested in getting involved in government and politics. Guest well, got me interested in understanding what it means to be uninsured and frightened to death. And of course, that feeling, you never forget it. And i was uninsured but why . I thought nothing is going to go wrong. Im happygolucky. Everything is going to go great. Which we always think when were young. We are not vulnerable. Were going to be great. Immortal. And all of a sudden, we had agreed to move, so i said, okay, honey, ill get us a place to live. You finish your exams and the first day i get here, doug wanted to see california. Thats why why i kit about it. Arrived on may 20, 1965. He is born may 21, 1965, and i was staying