But it involves says you will see a complicated case given maya background not to recuse myselfj qt to give mark them take it where it may. So tonights; b n case will be presented to introduce the q a. K7. Ou i would say just a word mark was a historian 2010 through 2013 now directs the master Degrees Program and a graduate certificate of intelligence from john hopkins. a he has degrees from stanford number of particles. Please help to welcome our guests. [applause] take you very much. I will be brief i am honored to be here this evening to introduce morten storm that you do not see on the screen for the of book launch of agent storm. A remarkable book. But a few words about the authors in a steady with tim whod joined the bbc out of college and worked in the middle east and in 1996 moved to cnn and quite a number of years with Cnn International to give most lee insight on terrorism is a pretty good chance you saw him in 2001 when he was at the obscure provision afghanistan. Also yesterday at this time he was in eastern ukraine. Individual. Paul is the cnn terrorism analyst and investigative reporter. And he has degrees from cambridge and from Johns Hopkins university but not only is unix a reporter but does calling work on al qaeda and that draws in part on his]1on work and it is up pleasure. ,aq and last but notn least is morten storm who you will see the rigidly from denmark coming from an undisclosed location in the u. K tonight igeaj will not take too much of his story because that is the substance of what we are extraordinary things with the joint struggle of violent jihad is some i am proud to call him my friend. But very briefly i was studying violin to g hiatt is some jihad but i am aware of donate to the other cases vary slightly that were slightly like morten storm at all. A american who converted to islam and went to chechnya to fight alongside the arabs thought killing women and children and then became an informant for the fbi and wrote a book then and there is a moroccan in the mid 1980s was the fault with extremist decided it would be a good idea to embezzle money than realized he needed protection went to the french government and then they sendlsqos him back to afghanistan where hei6 d reported inside the camps and then worked with the british service. In the late 1980s he also fell out with his handlerssdj ad inside jihad my life with al qaeda. They both did their work in the 1990s. But the Important Role there as well. But we hope to have morten storm physically here with us but he had some issues that i am sure you can imagine that prevented that from happening so he is joining us on video link from the United Kingdom the audio is in sync but video may come in and out. So ladies and gentlemen, morten storm. [applause] let me just mention one thing those that want more detail from these epiphanies comet it was the terrific podcast this evening but from our present historian and refer you to that and it should be up within two or three days. The indepth interview on their experience with morten storm. 80 very much it is the pleasure to be here. I adore your team. And we are delighted to be here from the undisclosed location. But his story this is quite exceptional but someone has never gone so deep inside then comes back to tell the story but also someone deeply involved with western intelligence with some of the most counterterrorism operations. So that journey that we embarked on that he really does have insights and experiences. We found out his rolodex was something else. Weve known now whether london or birmingham or denmark he was a rare yvette the people and were friends with them then in that moment he decided he could not deal with it any more. There was not the instant moment that happened in one week but a process or a disillusionment. But his case study is fascinating as is so many others so working through the story of physical evidence they brought to us whether emails or everything that helps to substantiate what happened to obviously a visit to Denmark People that knew him it is a complicated picture. And those into all sorts of bad stuff. There you go. [laughter] then he founded islam at the age of 21 in a public library. And was the true jihadist may be tenures then decided 2006 it was not for him anymore idem moved beyond where he was comfortable but by that time that a danish introduced into the cia. So now he has more details. And also met those connections when they became interesting to the cia. As they began a campaign of terrorism to launch attacks but also of the guy behind the under bombing and more tense after that. The heart of the book is a story about the friendship of what became a necessary betrayal. Introduce yourself. Thank you very much for coming. Think you. Sorry for all the trouble but it is amazing thank you so much. I never imagined it to be in a position and i am delighted and honored. Said to have that information that benefits them. [inaudible] but my life. And then looking and intelligence and then to sit next to me. And. What we are going to do is play a video outside the u. S. Embassy because there are reports that the car ron is being desecrated. But its mortens has come down from a support group that is her radical they have come down to listen to see the desecration. But watched the right side of the video. The crowd was chanting as they burned the american flag. How do you get to this point . But to have the disbelief that drove me to the place but leading these people through with the of western democracy. Many people are fighting in syria and at iraq fighting the atrocities against isis with the mindset but your story ended up completely differently but to take you back, you grew up in denmark . And have pretty troubled childhood going from gangs but what happened there . I was a young troubled for a i didnt have the parents. So i wanted to belong to something. But then i discovered that is not what i wanted to do with my life. The reason why i think it is to know about that cultural religion. I could not let it go. And when i left. One of the of fallacies talked about your experience as you just convert to do is lawmen decide to embark to yemen. Tell us about that experience. When i converted to islam to hear those differences but we were all is lomb. And then it is the institution. So in that way i founded and a very puritanical fundamentalist party of the religion to talk about the fallacys then you came back to london around 2000 or just before. And really what was then called the growing cauldron at the time when you met people like witchery or a the hijacker mini going from a fallacy mindset to the jihadist mindset. So you have that intention was you died so to consider it must be done. So it is far the sharia law. It was more than theoretical. Qs particularly with that. In the early 2000 to inflame your passion. With the people that you were with in london did you find there was up pat and choose the background . At that time we had somalia or sudan. In chechen of chechnya and to the military just a few years before. And those people like afghanistan and those places. The people that you met . Like richard reid . I came across interestingt. People. Some of those to me that with the new training camp. And then we went to europe. And then in the United Kingdom my would meet different people. I have to say at that time actually their rollicking from those societies. He really tells me those who were in close ties with al qaeda on the day as of 9 11 sees the images of the tower coming down. Describe the events of that day and a mosque they went to. And with the people that you were with . We dont have one. So what happened is that that time two nights before 9 11. But i have to bring my wife. ] so a few months later then we had 9 11. And then suddenly i realized i have been to a place. And then suddenly i was there. And then mae would turn on the radio. We went to the mosques and this was run by a fellow and he would say by their creator of iran we expect 50,000 people. We should all give credit to the bar life. Quite extraordinary. Here in the United States. So with that atmosphere there was the plan for the United States to go into afghanistan . Can you describe that . Fw originally it was forbidden so i could only hear what i heard on the radio. But then i hear i did not do it. But then when they face the new enemy . So anyway what happened to them was the good saint purses the evil. You are with us are you are with them. Because if i did disagree disagree, that was the choice for me to be on this side. Just a couple of years later you are in london and protesting. Said you thought it would be to storm the u. S. Embassy . Even with the frustration where it was so hard . You could walk the walk soc in 2006 go to yemen . So tell us about this american cleric that you meant that was not mentioned did the 9 11 report . The you are now teaching from yemens capital. I would bet but i a understood so for review the option. So i was introduced by postilion muslims isnt invited to go have lunch. I was aware of him. [inaudible] however once he started talking he was very cold. Called he would consider things before he would say then. With the direct reference to the acheron it was like he is good. And then obviously he would arrange for the meeting was. Many of these actual studies or in your house. Some of those infamous ku two hits came from your house in florence. Where caa narratives went there with that leadership like a mental figure. Tell us about that a little bit. We delivered extraordinary pictures. But actually. [inaudible] it was amazing how far be reached from that place. And the informative guide from today. [inaudible] we ciz a somali prisoner. [inaudible] n what theyd his message resonate . That drove from yemen and around the world . I think it was osama did not been. You could see he was not a show off. He did not have that impression. Just after 9 11 alalaki gave been interviewed in repudiated them close to here. What changed them . Was it personal animosity york philosophical . Warda learning and the circumstances . What changed him so much in such a short time . He had a score to settle but that was tricked with prostitutes and he hated the america and american government. It is more religious. He was focused on the goal. [inaudible] but at that time it was spontaneous. You want to go and fight in somalia in the hide and go back to denmark you see your friends didnt yemen that are migrating to g hiatt in somaliab . Talk about that and then what happens next. At that time they were taking over somalia. They kick tell all of these leaders is started to you sharia law. If there ever was the assistance from the Islamic State they thought muslims were sinful in this was the beginning. So many of my friends traveled directly from yemen to somalia. And i did not have money left. You have bought your oneway ticket to fight in somalia with the official in fight that we have a copy of, you are about to go then you get a phone call . Talk about that and the implications. By the time i was going to somalia. And i was promised the key to paradise. 2i and then whatever happens to go to ray children my family my friends for those that were on the phone. [inaudible] and then he said you cannot come. Dont travel. Stay where you are. I was just in disbelief. I could not believe. I failed to understand. o you felt left let done you were about to go participate in g. Hyde in that is something you were working towards know all of a sudden the ethiopians take mogadishu this is late 2006. So you go home with all the equipment you wanted to bring cover throw it in the bedroom and what do you do on the computer . [inaudible] lied doesnt feel like we . I do everything. I just cannot figure it out. And they use a tool to study [inaudible] [inaudible] and then to research a the contradiction6v so that very reason. You could give up your faith in friends but why would you go to the danish and television Intelligence Service . Why couldnt you fade into the background and turnaround and start looking for intelligence . [inaudible] and then those crisis and then those working in the military. So these people i could not except that. So then i realized how diluted i was. This is the reason for that freedom of speech. And i was chosen. for the very same reason. I did not realize how evil. And how much of the difference i can do. [inaudible] well you take up a glass of water it was early 2007 at a hotel there and could not believe it when you called up. One of the people on the radar screen someone in yemen was accused of associating over there. 7 but they would come into basically try to recruit you in private. [laughter]. [inaudible] [laughter] but then it is the longterm faith. F9 your career as a double agent, a career that involved this member mitt in the u. K. That the rootballs a friendship involves a friendship. But it was an operations that we lay out in the book going to indonesia with that incredible helterskelter life with the cian6 and Mission Intelligence and then later in the book from the americans point to you but to become increasingly wired and interested all the powers of the investigation the london bombings, they all seem to be inspired by this guy. Over the side we have you joining but what is next . [inaudible] at that time it is from 2008. The california was so intent the cia was so intricate. While most would deliver the equipment for him. But you said you delivered 5,000 from the cia that was hopeless. 6 [inaudible]vu but they say it is already there. And will get those things. Something over the edge of would have brought a swimsuit. But then. [inaudible] it is because we have to go through the checkpoints. So;c there are all kinds of obstacles and then we could meet up wearing a military jacket and looked like osama bin london. They were trying to copy him. I did not know. What eventually to lead you to think the guy who needs to be killed or taken out what change from your view of alalaki even though he is the american citizen he has with extra passion. Yes. [inaudible] and i knew that trying to figure out new york. Somehow i hope to we would it come home to be arrested but that was naive thinking. There is a very attractive boldly the. How . After my last one. And i would deny them. But al qaeda was smarter than that. She had to get out to that they would put in the gps direction device. That did not work but there is a real photograph of money that was received in new dollar bills coming to hundred 50,000. That was the high watermark. And then a public falling out. What went wrong . En then the control between the government and the ncaa. And then she was never allowed to think anything would happen to her. [inaudible] i was helping to track him down. But to help the americans. P jc in spring 2011 it was pretty clever to establish a motive for communication every time you needed a career you would let us a note when it was taking place. So for me to make supply is, there is best in his religious end of that question how young they were. Then there is this extraordinary moment the week mr. Paige was killed on the danish reid riviera. Wall you confront your cia chandler. We can play a little from the tape if we can. [inaudible] the cia to counter propaganda operations. Immaculate timing. [laughter] call me when you are ready. [laughter] [inaudible] [inaudible]. [inaudible] we are going to wrap up this part of the presentation. Obviously, you dont feel that you have received that gratitude yet. No otherwise i would have been sitting with you guys. It is difficult because it has moved quite a lot of things in my life and my family. A after this we have to say that he carried on working for our whole year and managed to get onto the tribal areas of yemen and met the leader thats going to be the leader in al qaeda obviously and there is a significant opportunity for those contacts that youve established and also the bomb maker. We can talk about that in the qanda. But lets open up a little bit for questioning so that you can ask more can anything that you like about his radical days and cover your and so on and so forth. The can we have a quick round of applause for the speaker . [applause] we have time for questions. Im going to exert my prerogative to ask the first one. Obviously theres more to the story that we didnt have time to get into today but i did want to ask you and maybe you can handle this is a fairly remarkable story even in the short version that you gave here can you talk about the documentation but you have two belief that im too sure that the story is actually true . That is a remarkable amount of material there are gigabytes and gigabytes of emails between the reporting was with the cia and the danish intelligence handlers and the Money Transfer records for some setup by western intelligence the list goes on and on and all sort of fits together with a narrative and so that gave him the need for great confidence to corroborate what hes saying. Lets go back to give you one example of this to where you would see animal are all lucky on the left. Play 20 seconds of that and i will describe why this is so important. That is a video if you will be leave us from m. R. All lucky where hes proposing to this girl, here we go. [inaudible] speech if so that is a sort of Marriage Proposal to this convert who has just become radicalized. Its things like that that you corroborate the story. How do we have that on the computer, how on earth would he have the reply from rromeo that we could play for you so there was a corroborating piece on here and what we try to do in the book is laid out as much as possible theres an appendix there is an appendix with a thought of it there and also a documentary next week on cnn where you will see a lot of it play out as well. So yes that gave us a vote of confidence. This panic is the time for other questions . There is a microphone coming to you. So what does the cia think about this book . Now is the time folks. The cia has sent commented on the record on this story. When you describe the reason you didnt go to afghanistan that was because your wife was pregnant and you didnt want to travel or want to leave but in the second iteration you went to somalia, left your family coming and im curious about what role your wife and your kids play in either preventing you from going or maybe preventing you from leaving. My wife at the time was staying with her family and was from morocco. I wouldnt have wanted to take a pregnant woman with me because some [inaudible] it wasnt a chance i was going to take and by the time it was a choice that you could make after 9 11 we continued to be another additional duty and somalia was even more pure. So you should spread everything that you can do. This but you also thought it important that your son who was then six or seven i believe you had gone and done your religious duties of that was important, right clicks of course. You have your families [inaudible] you can never r