Internet opened to public use. It was visionary members of congress that understood there needs to be some regulation but you left it open. Yes. Gps really huge. Pizza hut track delivery with an app. I track fed x packages and ups ship. S all the time . We can do it. We have been doing it. Consumers havent seen it or seen the possibilities. But now theyre going to. Theyre going to. No reason why we cant. These technologies, they do sneak in. Often coming from defense. So its a little worry if were not spending on r d in the same way. Therefore we have to spend directly. I am a i know how much defense spending. Clearly, harvard and others. And i do not know the state of california and add all of the locations, some of the companies we mention. You mentioned google and others. And then out the location of automotive facilities and they were all alone the same track meaning they are moving from the midwest and from the south. It is their technology out or add a sunday or placing it at the center of a lot of activity in the Silicon Valley area a lot of activity around route 128 in the boston area. Guest this is a big change. One of the things that killed kodak as the company was that it stayed in rochester, new york and it was a Great Technology company. All the work that was happening was digital. I think thats exciting. I should mention mark field afford. He believes in connection and i think they get it that they are no longer in the metal bending business. Although thats a part of the period they are now in the mobility business and mobility as we said before his opportunity and a big part of our future and now dependent on Wireless Networks and other devices by which we control data and information. You want to be worthy and the gators are in the field. Its a big change and people will live differently and work differently in the future. I hope we can get the national will to have the conversation to make the optimistic scenario come through. Well, lets move. And with this book was well. Thank you dr. Cantor. Guest thank you very much, secretary slater. Poets are prizewinning not there Lawrence Wright recount in 1978 camp david accords for president jimmy carter brokered a peace treaty between the israeli Prime Minister and egyptian president. The author profiles the respective leaders and reports on their daily meetings over 13 days. This is about an hour 10 minute period host Lawrence Wright, thank you or been on booktv. Guest looking forward to it. Host lets start with your most recent book thirteen days in september. Where did the idea for this Peace Process and senate start . Guest it was actually rosalynn carters idea. Jimmy carter when he got elected hat in his mind that he wanted to bring peace to the middle east, which of course was a crazy dream. Nobody in the administration encouraged it, that he began auditing middle east leaders as they came in, trying to sound them out and he was really disappointed until he met nyc. He actually said he loved and morris about many times. Not the normal language of diplomacy. He was very discouraged about how its going and finally his wife as i can david and she said not why not bring him here and get them away from the press and they thought maybe three or four days and give it a chance. So that is why the whole Peace Process was born. Guest well, Menachem Begin was an obstinate individual and very difficult for carter to deal with. Carter came to believe he had to make the greatest sacrifice to camp david. Knock a bacon parents parents were both killed in the holocaust and he thought he had the whole burden of jewish history on the shoulders and his goal was to expand the zone of safety for jewish people and constantly enlarge the size of israel was his political agenda. For him to surrender the cyanide pill once conquered in 1957 was to forfeit a huge surface land that separated israel from the invading egyptian armies. So to trust his enemy was really hard for him to do. Host did the knock on bacon and said six other relationship . Guest yes. They were historical figures. They didnt like each other very much. It wasnt the relationship carter had my anwar sadat. But on the other hand they respected each other. And begin made a big show of going to his funeral at a time when not many World Leaders did. Host what exactly was negotiated . Guest there are two parts to it. One is peace between egypt and israel. Egypt is the only arab country that really posed a threat to israels existence. This was as i said very difficult for begin to surrender all the territory and the trust of his historic enemy. There is another part of the agreement which was peace between israel and the palestinians and that is never been implemented. Its a roadmap to what the reinvention and is a worthy and just means. Ever since the camp david accords were signed, the subsequent attempts have been to try to realize the unfulfilled promise of the camp david accords. Host was there any thought given to giving the palestinians directly to the summit . Guest does a big album. No palestinians present. At the time the only representative was yasir arafat. It was very difficult for carter to actually negotiate. You remember the u. N. Ambassador met with the palestinians at one point and got tremendously criticized for saying hello. Host in your book thirteen days in september you quote David Bengurion israels finder. Begin is a distinctly touristic type. Guest while David Bengurion and the knock on begin did not like each other. He was a terrorist. It is embarrassing to many people in israel that he had the background and played a role in the establishment of the jewish state. He was always a marginal figure decried by many. But they use them. For instance the attack on the palestinian village is seen by begins terrorist organization was actually authorized by bengurion and although he claimed deniability afterwards. The official jewish forces provided cover for this attack and began to blame and accepted it. Host Lawrence Wright, previous to thirteen days in september, going clear National Book award finalist. What does the phrase going clear mean . Guest is a phrase of scientology. To understand that, Alvin Hubbard populated via two separate lines. One is the analytical mind which is perfect. Its like an ideal computer. It forgets nothing. In your rational mind, every single detail of your experience is available for recall. And then there is the react to mind in which all your fears and neuroses and no one are settled. Not just in this life, their previous lives. If you can go through your react to mind and eliminate those dramatic experiences from that part of your mind you will be left with the perfect mind and your i. Q. Will be higher. You wont get sick. You will be healthy and smarter than anyone else see me and then hell be clear. Host how did ill run hubbard developed his theories . Guest he was a Science Fiction writer. So largely he made them up. You can see a lot of what was then his book which preceded scientology and also his many scientology books parenthetically he holds the guinness book of World Records for the number of titles published, more than a thousand books. So you can see the precursors of the philosophy and Science Fiction. The book which was a huge New York Times bestseller list was anyway a model for others postworld war ii selfhelp works that came along afterwards. And the red dianetics clubs all over the country. It was like a hula loop which is kind of contemporary with that. There is a big deal and he wrote it in like six weeks. He quoted studies that never occurred. In the scientific community, look at it with kind of amused all. Was like psychological folk art. For a lot of people it was a revelation. You could have therapy. All you need is a friend who would help you get through these traumas and get rid of the emotional assets attached to them. And then you are clear. It took the country by storm. It was an international phenomenon. Host how many scientologists are there . Guest well, depends whether you believe churches official figures which are range of 10 million, if you look at the statistical abstract of the United States, there are fewer than 25000. Less than half of them called call themselves for a safari in. But if you are a member of the International Association of scientologists which you restart late urge to be worldwide theres 50000. Host what is their impact . Guest you know, im describing a Small Organization. The impact has been disproportionately large. A lot of people and the community of former psion college he is actually quite large and the number of people whose lives have been disrupted or impact by scientology is trace of a large at least to me because i go to speeches and make talks. Oftentimes people in the audience had been in scientology or lost family members who are told to disconnect from them no longer talk to their mother or son or said in like that. Its created a lot of heart ache in many different families. Host do you consider it a cult . Guest i dont use the word colt because i feel like it is a smear word. You can call almost any new religion of colt. I am not after offending scientologists. I do question the abuses that take place inside the church. All religion is full of exotic release some times quiet bizarre ones. That is fascinating to me. Ive always been a treat to why people are drawn to one religious belief rather than another. But i dont criticize them because a lot of times people attach themselves to religion not because of the beliefs but because of the community or personal problems there may be addressed inside the police organization. Scientology does offer those things to adherence. Inside the church there are a considerable number of the abuses that i think should be addressed and physical abuse and the incarceration of some of the people in its clergy. These are the things that i think Law Enforcement and perhaps the irs should take another look at the Tax Organization which is what keeps the organization alive. Host how did they get the exemption . Guest normally would think is a pretty fierce opponent. The church stood more than 2400 lawsuits. They hired private investigators to follow around individual agents. They went to convention where you might have irs employees drinking too much or flirting with people they shouldnt be talking to. They would publish stories in their scientology magazine about this kind of behavior. This in theory again as imagine. On the other hand a deal was struck in 1992 at the time of scientology a back taxes of a billion dollars and day dl that was struck on whatever the scientology case was padilla was they would drop the lawsuit and then returned to billion dollars to be forgiving. The final finalist 12 million scientology was given a Tax Exemption and the right to determine what portion of the entire deserves a Tax Exemption so the novels are not taxed. Host does the church have a billion dollars . Guest 3 billion would be more like it. A billion dollars in cash reserves, most of it in off shore accounts according to executives. Thats a lot of money. The Catholic Church would be hardpressed to come up with a billion dollars in cash. But this rather Small Organization essentially free labor on the part of the clergy they get paid 50 a week and they have a lot of rich members in the church that are very generous in their contributions. So theyve been able to acquire a tremendous amount of money and an impressive battery of lawyers. Host theyve also got a hollywood connection. Where did that come from . Guest from the very beginning. He chose to set up in los angeles and create the Celebrity Center in hollywood because he do americans really do worship one thing and that is celebrities. The church put out a list of potential scientologists and included people like walt disney marlena dietrich, Howard Hughes the most famous people in the world. They didnt get those people that they did get a lot of famous people who came into the church. Typically they didnt last very long. Like rock hudson briefly in the church according to legend they lost because he was in an auditing session and is parking meter had overrun and the scientology auditor wouldnt let them feed the meter so we stormed out and that was the end of rock hudson and scientology. They were constantly on the lookout for celebrities who excelled in religion the same way a sports star but to excel on a box of wheaties. The first notable faces john travolta. He was a huge star. He was the biggest star in the world at one point. And then he was superseded by tom cruise also the biggest male star in the world. Those are very powerful cards to put down when youre trying to attract people, and especially in the entertainment industry. Host what was the reaction from the church of scientology when it came out coming your hbo documentary, et cetera. Guest when i started the book is started as a magazine profile paul haggis a twotime Academy Award writer and director and he dropped out after 34 years. Ive been looking for a way to write about scientology. Im interested in religion and heres the most stigmatized in america and yet very notable people who lend their names to it. I dont think they get anything out of it in terms of career advancement. Its like Public Relations murdered him. But there they are. So why . When he dropped out i thought i could write about his experience. So i contacted his Business Manager on the field at the die hard. But saturday to write an article about the decision to leave the church of scientology good are you kidding, we would never do that. Click. That was the entire conversation except for the expletives. The next day i got pauls personal email address and i sent him a note and i said i had a conversation with your Business Manager. He said this wasnt the best time for you to talk but if theres a time and like to discuss your spiritual and intellectual development id be honored to tell the story. 20 minutes later, very flattered. Lets have lunch on tuesday. He was in new york. I flew out had lunch. I said of course we are going to be talking about your decision to leave the church and his eyes got wide that he forged ahead. Months later he admitted it had never occurred to him it was going to be about scientology. He was so floured they were going to do a profile he didnt want to think about it. He turned out to be a courageous source on that. As soon as he agreed i called the church and spoke to the International Sports person, tommy davis, whose mother is a famous scientologists and a wonderful act of actress. He said we dont want to see the church depicted through the eyes of a heretic. He agreed to take me through scientology. And we would need enough time. He arranged to come out over the Labor Day Weekend so i came out on thursday may friday saturday. Sunday afternoon, tommy and his wife came to the hotel said they actually were going to take me through scientology. They just wanted to have the opportunity to tell me face to face. Well thanks a lot. You cost my magazine a considerable amount of money. You couldve done this this over the phone. He agreed to answer Fact Checking questions. Im not sure he understood exactly what that meant a new yorker context because we take Fact Checking very seriously. Especially when dealing with david did and litigious organization such as scientology. We had a check or one checker is on the article for six months full time. By the end we had five including the head of the Fact Checking department with the most carefully vetted story Anthony Akers new yorkers long history of Fact Checking. The first question to the church as 968 queries. That elicited the response for lawyers coming to new york along with spokes people. 47 volumes of response to stuart 958 queries. It stretched for seven and a half feet. I measured because i was fascinated. They are giving me all this material. The editor pulled me aside and said he know what youve got here. Youve got a boat. I said no. But it was my interview with the church that lasted all day. It is very contentious very good and after that we received innumerable legal threats from the church and individuals mentioned in that continued to the publication of the book in the documentary and to this day theres a legal threat and other kinds of harassment and the kinds of things have been subjected to. They dont compare to what it will to actually cooperate with us, just continual harassment by private detectives people who show up at the go pro cameras, harassing them at home. One of our sources was noticing a bird house across the street that hadnt been there. There is a camera inside the bird house. We had our premier at sundance and a couple sources were followed in videotape at the airport in salt lake city. Sarah continually goes on. Host train for another magazine that became a book was the looming tower. Where were you on 9 11 and how does the process work for you . Guest well, i was in spanish class. I used to have breakfast every Tuesday Morning with a group of people who like to keep their language at. We were [speaking in spanish] so we are having our conversation and i got into the car and heard about the airplane had struck a tower and by the time i got home the second tower had just been hit. Bear in mind i have lived in egypt. I used to speak arabic much better. I had the experience of living in a Muslim